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Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:24 am

I decided to give Firefox a whirl as everybody seems to rave about it and how it's so much better than IE cos it can open umpteen pages at a time and do hand-stands etc. Well I've got news for you - it's a pile of s**t and I'll tell you why :

1. It takes aeons to open pages where IE would have had them loaded a lot faster, although in all honesty Firefox DOES open a.net forum threads faster than IE strangely.

2. When it does finally find the page and start to open it, it gives you all the script for the page for a split second before opening the page properly, which is really amateurish and annoying.

3. The thumbnail picture quality is grainy as hell where with IE it isn't.

4. The menu buttons often require more than one click to get the drop-down menus and anything you do within the drop down menus (like sorting your bookmark order, for example) causes them to disappear once you've finished so you have to go BACK into it again to carry on where you left off. IE doesn't have this problem.

5. If you try to open more than 2 separate browser windows it gets an arsey on and either takes 20+ seconds to open the new page or just freezes and gives you a blank page.

6. Pictures take ages to load in Firefox. I thought it might have been my connection but alas no, they open just fine with IE.

7. Firefox underlines EVERY combination of 2 and 3-letter codes in these forums which is well annoying.

8. If you want to save/move/copy/paste anything you get pop up boxes constantly asking you which tool/program you'd like to use and some bizarre "clean up" button every time too, which just will not go away.

9. It constantly prompts for passwords to be remembered even though the sites own password rememberer has just asked you. Even when you click on 'remember' it still asks you the next time. Haven't they heard of cookies?  sarcastic 

10. Approximately 15% of the web pages it won't open at all and you have to get IE to the rescue again. Same applies for ftp publishing - you have to use IE there as well.


The whole "thing" is a complete pile of junk which some 12yr school kid has knocked up in his bedroom and I fail to see who/why anyone likes it other than for the tabbed browsing facility.

I know that IE is far from perfect but at least they've got the basics right and it's easy to use. Firefox will shortly be finding itself leaving my recycle bin for good.  Angry

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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
1. It takes aeons to open pages where IE would have had them loaded a lot faster, although in all honesty Firefox DOES open a.net forum threads faster than IE strangely.

Never had a problem with the speed.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

2. When it does finally find the page and start to open it, it gives you all the script for the page for a split second before opening the page properly, which is really amateurish and annoying.

Never seen that happen.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
3. The thumbnail picture quality is grainy as hell where with IE it isn't.

Looking at both thumbs on IE and Firefox now, can't tell the difference.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
4. The menu buttons often require more than one click to get the drop-down menus and anything you do within the drop down menus (like sorting your bookmark order, for example) causes them to disappear once you've finished so you have to go BACK into it again to carry on where you left off. IE doesn't have this problem.

This one I'll give you.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
5. If you try to open more than 2 separate browser windows it gets an arsey on and either takes 20+ seconds to open the new page or just freezes and gives you a blank page.

Never had that one happen either.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
6. Pictures take ages to load in Firefox. I thought it might have been my connection but alas no, they open just fine with IE.

Never had that one again.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

7. Firefox underlines EVERY combination of 2 and 3-letter codes in these forums which is well annoying.

That feature can be turned off if I remember correctly.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

8. If you want to save/move/copy/paste anything you get pop up boxes constantly asking you which tool/program you'd like to use and some bizarre "clean up" button every time too, which just will not go away.

All can be changed in the settings. And I find this a useful tool, if I download something and forget where I saved it to I can just open it up from the download dialogue box.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
9. It constantly prompts for passwords to be remembered even though the sites own password rememberer has just asked you. Even when you click on 'remember' it still asks you the next time. Haven't they heard of cookies?

Mine has all the passwords I want remembered, and all those that I don't want remembered, not added automatically.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

10. Approximately 15% of the web pages it won't open at all and you have to get IE to the rescue again. Same applies for ftp publishing - you have to use IE there as well.

All the pages open fine for me, although I have heard of the FTP issue, however, for the average internet user, I don't think that's too much of a problem. Personally, I would only use IE if it were absolutly necessary, like for a Windows Update.

Just my 2 cents.
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:51 am

My friends love FF, so I gave it a try. I gave it a month but just cant switch. It seems akward and clunky. To me IE and Safari just kinda flow.
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
It constantly prompts for passwords to be remembered even though the sites own password rememberer has just asked you. Even when you click on 'remember' it still asks you the next time. Haven't they heard of cookies?

I think you're being unfair here. You can either ask the web site to remember your password, or you can ask Firefox. If you want the site to remember it (via cookies), you can then tell Firefox to "never ask me again". I don't see what's so frackin' difficult about that.

Save the gripe about site compatibility, none of your issues are the result of using Firefox. Sites load faster in IE? Ever heard of caching?  Yeah sure

Sorry about my hardline approach, but I just don't think your claims have any basis in reality. You could fill the Albert Hall with all the security holes in Internet Explorer.  Wink
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
1. It takes aeons to open pages where IE would have had them loaded a lot faster, although in all honesty Firefox DOES open a.net forum threads faster than IE strangely.

Some pages load faster than others. Probably if web programmers didn't right pages full of garbage they'd do better overall.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
2. When it does finally find the page and start to open it, it gives you all the script for the page for a split second before opening the page properly, which is really amateurish and annoying.

I've never seen this problem and I started using it when it was still called Firebird.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
3. The thumbnail picture quality is grainy as hell where with IE it isn't.

Thumbnails look fine to me.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
4. The menu buttons often require more than one click to get the drop-down menus and anything you do within the drop down menus (like sorting your bookmark order, for example) causes them to disappear once you've finished so you have to go BACK into it again to carry on where you left off. IE doesn't have this problem.

Must be some weird Windows issue. The only thing normal people do with drop down menus is select things (and yes, I know with Windows you can right click on a menu item to get a popup menu... that's just weird).

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
5. If you try to open more than 2 separate browser windows it gets an arsey on and either takes 20+ seconds to open the new page or just freezes and gives you a blank page.

Once you discover tabs, you'll never want more than one window open at a time, and sites that open new windows will piss you off.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
6. Pictures take ages to load in Firefox. I thought it might have been my connection but alas no, they open just fine with IE.

Never noticed an issue with this.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
7. Firefox underlines EVERY combination of 2 and 3-letter codes in these forums which is well annoying.

The site is the one putting the codes there, not Firefox.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
8. If you want to save/move/copy/paste anything you get pop up boxes constantly asking you which tool/program you'd like to use and some bizarre "clean up" button every time too, which just will not go away.

That's the download manager. You can tell it what to do and click the box to remember your choice. The download manager window "clean up" button removes finished downloads. If you go into Preferences you can tell it to close the window automatically. I also thought there was a preference to remove automatically when done. But I use an extension called Download Statusbar, so instead of getting the download manager, downloads appear in a small bar at the bottom of my window.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
9. It constantly prompts for passwords to be remembered even though the sites own password rememberer has just asked you. Even when you click on 'remember' it still asks you the next time. Haven't they heard of cookies?

These are two different features. The web site password remember uses cookies to store your info. The one where Firefox is asking you is it's own feature, which can be useful for sites that don't have a remember feature. It can only fill in the username and password box though, you still have to log yourself in. I actually don't use this feature. Preferenes - Privacy - Passwords and there's an option to turn it off.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
10. Approximately 15% of the web pages it won't open at all and you have to get IE to the rescue again. Same applies for ftp publishing - you have to use IE there as well.

Not Mozilla's fault that web developers choose to put IE-only crap on their web pages. Many times Firefox will work fine but the idiot developers put some browser sniffer on that won't let anyone in unless you use IE. There are a couple of extensions you can install, IE View and IE Tab, that will embed IE into Firefox for selected sites. Netscape 8, a variant of Firefox, has the feature built in.

It seems like it would be easier to use Windows Explorer to do FTP stuff anyway. Why should copying a file from one computer to another be different than copying file from one place on disk to another? This is one of the things I love about Konqueror (KDE's file manager).

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
I know that IE is far from perfect but at least they've got the basics right and it's easy to use. Firefox will shortly be finding itself leaving my recycle bin for good.

Have fun with all the spyware that can only install itself when you're using IE.
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:03 pm

Sounds more like a problem with your computer than Firefox. Firefox is more of a memory hog and isn't as fast loading as IE. But unless you don't mind being vulnerable to spyware and god knows what else, then it's still the better choice.

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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
7. Firefox underlines EVERY combination of 2 and 3-letter codes in these forums which is well annoying.

isnt that more of a website feature opposed to a firefox feature? i assume you mean saying EWR says newark airport when you hover it?
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 3):
I think you're being unfair here. You can either ask the web site to remember your password, or you can ask Firefox. If you want the site to remember it (via cookies), you can then tell Firefox to "never ask me again". I don't see what's so frackin' difficult about that.

Save the gripe about site compatibility, none of your issues are the result of using Firefox. Sites load faster in IE? Ever heard of caching? Yeah sure

I am very aware of what the cookies and cache do. The files were all cleared because I thought that might have been why IE was loading them faster but even from a clean slate Firefox still takes beards when IE has them showing in a split second.

The same applies to password thing. Even why you click "yes please remember my password" etc, the site one is fine but whenever you return to the same site with Firefox it prompts you YET AGAIN to remember passwords and stuff.  sarcastic 

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:30 pm

I don't have hardly any of the problems that you do. I like Firefox, it's more stable and secure than IE. Although it is a memory hog...I've seen it use up to 160MB of RAM.
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 4):
Thumbnails look fine to me.

Open this page with IE then open it with Firefox and you'll immediately see the difference. IEs are crisp and clear but Firefox ones are grainy.

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:40 pm

Sorry you're having problems with FF, but quite frankly it sounds more like its your install/machine than the program. FF does take more memory, but other than that, I've never noticed any of the problems you mention, across any of the dozen or show machines I've used it on in last year.
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Open this page with IE then open it with Firefox and you'll immediately see the difference. IEs are crisp and clear but Firefox ones are grainy.

Look fine to me.

I've had none of the problems you describe, and I've been using Firefox since it came out, and Mozilla 1.5 before that.

I think in this case, the problem is likely on your end...
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:45 pm

I have only one complain: sometimes, when I have two or three windows open and surfing the web, Firefox will close one or two of these windows out of the blue!

It's really annoying.
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:46 pm

Sounds like you need to either go back to IE or spend some more time tinkering with your settings on Firefox. I've been browsing with FF for months and have nothing but good things to say.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Open this page with IE then open it with Firefox and you'll immediately see the difference. IEs are crisp and clear but Firefox ones are grainy.

Normally I use Firefox on Mac OS X. The thumbnails there didn't look to great.

Just to compare, I booted up my PC into Windows Vista Beta 2 and opened the page in both Firefox 1.5.0.6 and Internet Explorer 7+ 7.0.5384.4. Still looked the same, not that great. The only thing I can think of is you have some plugin or something in IE that might be "enhancing" images.
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Open this page with IE then open it with Firefox and you'll immediately see the difference. IEs are crisp and clear but Firefox ones are grainy.

Just tried it in IE 6.0 and FF 1.5.0 and I don't see any difference in the two. And swapping back and forth between IE and FF right now, IE locked up and I needed to use Task Manager to kill it.

I've used FF for a couple of years now, and only IE for my company's intranet pages that don't work right with FF (IE is the "company standard").

Personally, I've never experienced the problems you're talking about. I *hate* having to open new windows in IE, FF tabs are much easier to work with. When I tell FF to remember logon info it does, when I tell it not to it doesn't. If I tell it "not now" it will ask the next time I go into a site, just the way it should. And yes, you might see that all the IE and FF abbreviations in this post are underlined...that's an a.net feature (it doesn't know I'm talking about Fire Fox and not Tower Air) and the same thing shows up in IE.

YMMV, but I'm very happy with FF, and won't use IE unless absolutely necessary.
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 15):
and the same thing shows up in IE.

No it doesn't. They're not underlined and you get the info by holding your mouse over with IE.

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:08 pm

You get the info by holding the mouse over with Firefox too. The difference is in Firefox the underline tells you that there's something there. It probably doesn't show up in IE because IE's CSS support is so horribly broken and incomplete.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:27 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

Yep, I have to agree with everyone else who has responded in favor of FF. I've been using it since version .09 and won't even consider going back to IE. Microsoft can make all the attempts they want at making IE like FF but I am staying with FF. Let's face it, had FF not become as popular as it has, there's no way we'd be seeing IE7 with tabbed browsing prior to the final release of Vista.

I've enhanced my version of FF (1.5.0.6) with half a dozen or so extensions and it performs head and shoulders above any other browser I've tried (IE, Opera, Netscape, and Slim Browser).

As others have said, it sounds like the FF problems you're experiencing are either specific to the websites you're viewing or to your machine and it's settings. And finally, while you're doing those appearance comparisons, be sure and take note of the number of ads you see when using IE compared to the ones you don't see when using FF.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 1):

I'm with you buddy!


Yeh whoever this is saying that zilla is crap, has obviously shit computer skills, a shit computer and no bloody idea how much of a piece IE is compared to firefox.

For everyone out there don't listen to this guy, firefox kicks ass!

Another word of advice; Firefox is made by Mozilla a company who specializes in internet browzers where on the other hand IE is made by microsoft a company who specializes in windows, and IE is probably made by one dude the night before the next windows realease.


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Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:23 pm

Can't say I ever experienced any of above problems with FF. Occasionally, I had FF crash, but compared to the number of crashes I had with IE, it's minimal at most. And that despite not being an expert at fine-tuning FF, as so many others are.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
1. It takes aeons to open pages where IE would have had them loaded a lot faster, although in all honesty Firefox DOES open a.net forum threads faster than IE strangely.

In my experience, Firefox is faster on opening all pages.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
5. If you try to open more than 2 separate browser windows it gets an arsey on and either takes 20+ seconds to open the new page or just freezes and gives you a blank page.

Never happened to me.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
6. Pictures take ages to load in Firefox. I thought it might have been my connection but alas no, they open just fine with IE.

Pictures load just fine on my system.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

7. Firefox underlines EVERY combination of 2 and 3-letter codes in these forums which is well annoying.

I've found that Firefox does NOT underline every 2 and 3-letter code, which annoys the hell out of me!

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

8. If you want to save/move/copy/paste anything you get pop up boxes constantly asking you which tool/program you'd like to use and some bizarre "clean up" button every time too, which just will not go away.

Happened like once, when I first installed the browser.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

9. It constantly prompts for passwords to be remembered even though the sites own password rememberer has just asked you. Even when you click on 'remember' it still asks you the next time. Haven't they heard of cookies? sarcastic

Firefox remembers my passwords just fine, it asks once, and that's that. Of course, if you're inactive for a long while, the memory of your password is erased, for security reasons, I suppose.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
10. Approximately 15% of the web pages it won't open at all and you have to get IE to the rescue again. Same applies for ftp publishing - you have to use IE there as well.

I only have problem with my internet banking service. I have to use IE since the security program that the banking service has on my hard drive does not work with Firefox.

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:28 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Open this page with IE then open it with Firefox and you'll immediately see the difference. IEs are crisp and clear but Firefox ones are grainy.

I don't have that problem when trying to open it in both firefox and IE. Same thumbnails and same quality. The website doesn't load faster in IE either. .. seems like it must be your computer
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:30 pm

Woowww! Is this FF going fast!
After reading all these FF goodies I decided to try it and installed it on my PC.
Many thanx to all of you! I think that I'll never go back to IE.
The speed is unbelievable and all thumbnails are clear!
Thus I can't confirm the topics mentioned by RobK.
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Firefox will shortly be finding itself leaving my recycle bin for good.

Just a tip - if you're a Windows user, you'll need to uninstall it properly rather than drag it into the recycle bin OS X-style.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:05 pm

RobK: Have used FF for a long time now on several computers, and I haven't had any of the problems you have. For me it feels like a trip down memory lane to use IE since it's so primitive.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:16 pm

I've been running FF for 2 years - I've had it only crash when i ran the BETA versions (deer park). All of those problems RobK has, i've had none of them, but the bookmarks "feature" is annoying. However, one bad won't turn me away. Try something like Opera (www.opera.com) or flock (www.flock.com). Flock is based on the firefox source code, but looks alot cleaner (atleast with no exensions running).
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):

IF all those problems occur with firefox, christ knows what computer you are running.
If you find IE better than THE FOX, then your computer is either f***ed or theres a virus entitled 'anti-microsoft's exclusivity spree'

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
. It takes aeons to open pages where IE would have had them loaded a lot faster, although in all honesty Firefox DOES open a.net forum threads faster than IE strangely.



Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
The thumbnail picture quality is grainy as hell where with IE it isn't.



Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
The menu buttons often require more than one click to get the drop-down menus and anything you do within the drop down menus (like sorting your bookmark order, for example) causes them to disappear once you've finished so you have to go BACK into it again to carry on where you left off. IE doesn't have this problem.



Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Pictures take ages to load in Firefox. I thought it might have been my connection but alas no, they open just fine with IE.



Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Approximately 15% of the web pages it won't open at all and you have to get IE to the rescue again. Same applies for ftp publishing - you have to use IE there as well.

Apart from the very ocasional hang up. Firefox has served me very well. I would suggest looking at your computer as that maybe the cause of your problems.

Matt  Smile

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 28):
P.S Having read how good you make IE sound, are you the PR guy for Internet Explorer

With the emphasis on "the PR guy" as he seems to be the only one thus far in this thread who favors IE over FF.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 28):
are you the PR guy for Internet Explorer

Did you mean Internet Exploder?  Wink
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
Occasionally, I had FF crash, but compared to the number of crashes I had with IE, it's minimal at most.



Quoting StrasserB (Reply 23):
Many thanx to all of you! I think that I'll never go back to IE.

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I haven't opened an Internet Explorer window on both of my computers since I have installed Firefox on them. It is running very stable and I love all those features like tabbed browsing, etc.

So in short: I like Firefox!

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:16 pm

I have remembered an amusing link I saw on the Internet a few weeks ago. Try going to www.ie7.com If I had not switched already, that website would have made me.  Silly  duck 
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Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Open this page with IE then open it with Firefox and you'll immediately see the difference. IEs are crisp and clear but Firefox ones are grainy.

I opened that page side-by-side in Firefox and IE and the thumbnails were exactly the same. In general, it sounds to me like something is messed up with your computer, as I have never experienced the vast majority of the problems you mention.

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Finally, I'm not alone with my opinion of Firefox being crap. Big grin
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:05 am

Would installing FF while an anti-viral program was running (and/or other such security programs) potentially lead to problems like this fellow is having?
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 35):
Would installing FF while an anti-viral program was running (and/or other such security programs) potentially lead to problems like this fellow is having?

It really shouldn't, if the anti-virus program comes from a reputable company. There are a lot of strange and iffy "security" programs out there though, and some of them do more harm than good by tending to screw up the normal operation of the person's computer.

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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:30 am

The only thing I would like a solution to is the little dots under the airport codes. If anyone has advice on this, please let me know.

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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:39 am

I would never go back to IE. It took some getting used to but now I love Firefox

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Custom Searches for Airliners.net, Airlinecodes.co.uk, AVSIM, and other sites via the search bar. This is perfect for quick searching reg #'s without having to load up the A.net page. And with Firefox Preloader mine loads up faster than IE on a clean boot

Let's see IE do all of that.
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Approximately 15% of the web pages it won't open at all and you have to get IE to the rescue again. Same applies for ftp publishing - you have to use IE there as well

That's not a Mozilla problem, it's the problem of people who use MS Front Page for publishing. You can download an extension that will open the pages in IE from within Firefox.

Quoting Doona (Reply 21):
I've found that Firefox does NOT underline every 2 and 3-letter code, which annoys the hell out of me!

Same here!
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 39):
That's not a Mozilla problem, it's the problem of people who use MS Front Page for publishing. You can download an extension that will open the pages in IE from within Firefox.

no. My homesite is written all by hand and validates to the strictest W3 standards, yet doesn't work with FireFox at all.
It doesn't understand one iota about the CSS and scripting I employ, which is all standardised.
It works in IE and Opera, but not FireFox.

FF has poor performance, poor rendering (it just looks ugly), and poor standards compliance.
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 40):
(it just looks ugly)

FF is the nicest looking thing since sliced bread was aviable to cavemen!
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 40):
it just looks ugly

Then just chose from the few hundred themes available and change it's appearance. Can't do that with IE.
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 42):
Then just chose from the few hundred themes available and change it's appearance. Can't do that with IE.

Hahaha thats true also!
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
1. It takes aeons to open pages where IE would have had them loaded a lot faster, although in all honesty Firefox DOES open a.net forum threads faster than IE strangely.

They probably opened faster in IE because they were already in your cache. After a couple of uses in Firefox, things should be fine. I've never ever had a loading problem with Firefox.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
2. When it does finally find the page and start to open it, it gives you all the script for the page for a split second before opening the page properly, which is really amateurish and annoying.

Never ever have had that and I've been using Firefox for more than 2 years now.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
3. The thumbnail picture quality is grainy as hell where with IE it isn't.

Have never experienced anything like that. Thumbnails in my Firefox look exactly the same as in IE.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
4. The menu buttons often require more than one click to get the drop-down menus and anything you do within the drop down menus (like sorting your bookmark order, for example) causes them to disappear once you've finished so you have to go BACK into it again to carry on where you left off. IE doesn't have this problem.

The Bookmark-button can take a bit longer after the first click depending on how many bookmarks you've got: if the list is long, it can take a few seconds but it certainly doesn't recquire more than one click.

And if one wants to sort the order of their bookmarks, what better than to use the Bookmark Manager which is a hell lot better to work with than with the one in IE. In IE, if one wants to check once again where a particular bookmarks takes you to before deciding to delete it or not, you have to close the Bookmark Organizer, select it again in Bookmarks and go to the URL. Than one has to open the Bookmark Organizer again to eventually edit that particular bookmark. In Firefox the Bookmark Manager stays open all the time and one doesn't have to close it to check a particular bookmark. Or how about Firefox's ability to search all existing Bookmarks, sort them alphabetically, by date, by name or by URL from within its Manager? Certainly alot better than in IE where you have to scroll through long lists of bookmarks with no order whatsoever. (I actually use the Bookmark Manager to have a quick access to all my bookmarks which don't fit in the drop-down menu, another gadget IE doesn't allow).

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
5. If you try to open more than 2 separate browser windows it gets an arsey on and either takes 20+ seconds to open the new page or just freezes and gives you a blank page.

I take it that by windows you mean Tabs (Ctrl + T). I've never ever had a problem with that and while I type this I have a total of 6 Tabs open. Perhaps your machine isn't up to Firefox; it does use a considerable amount of memory which perhaps also explains the less than perfect picture quality you talked about.

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
6. Pictures take ages to load in Firefox. I thought it might have been my connection but alas no, they open just fine with IE.

How much memory has you PC got?

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
8. If you want to save/move/copy/paste anything you get pop up boxes constantly asking you which tool/program you'd like to use and some bizarre "clean up" button every time too, which just will not go away.

It will go away after you've indicated which option you want to use. Go to Tools/Options/ and click on Downloads. Now you can choose between being prompted everytime you choose to download something or have it saved automatically each time you merely click it. In addition, you can also edit Download Actions (ie tell Firefox which type of files should be opened with Quicktime, which ones with Real Player etc. Works very well in case you do not want to use the default programs).

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
I know that IE is far from perfect but at least they've got the basics right and it's easy to use. Firefox will shortly be finding itself leaving my recycle bin for good.

I just opened up IE to compare the quality of thumbnails with those in IE and guess what: I got two pop-ups! In Firefox, it has been ages since my last unwanted pop-up!
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
I decided to give Firefox a whirl as everybody seems to rave about it and how it's so much better than IE cos it can open umpteen pages at a time and do hand-stands etc. Well I've got news for you - it's a pile of s**t and I'll tell you why :

1. you obviously like IE for the features MS decided to add to a browser while it lagged behind in terms of being a good, solid browser. Patch?

2. your computer obviously has issues. Baggage?
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting Schoenorama (Reply 44):
The Bookmark-button can take a bit longer after the first click depending on how many bookmarks you've got: if the list is long, it can take a few seconds but it certainly doesn't recquire more than one click.

And if one wants to sort the order of their bookmarks, what better than to use the Bookmark Manager which is a hell lot better to work with than with the one in IE. In IE, if one wants to check once again where a particular bookmarks takes you to before deciding to delete it or not, you have to close the Bookmark Organizer, select it again in Bookmarks and go to the URL. Than one has to open the Bookmark Organizer again to eventually edit that particular bookmark. In Firefox the Bookmark Manager stays open all the time and one doesn't have to close it to check a particular bookmark. Or how about Firefox's ability to search all existing Bookmarks, sort them alphabetically, by date, by name or by URL from within its Manager? Certainly alot better than in IE where you have to scroll through long lists of bookmarks with no order whatsoever. (I actually use the Bookmark Manager to have a quick access to all my bookmarks which don't fit in the drop-down menu, another gadget IE doesn't allow).

It's clear you have absolutely no knowledge of IE. To sort the bookmarks you just right click and choose 'sort by name/date/whatever'. It's as simple as that.

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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:50 pm

This sound exactally like my friend... I reinstall his PC and install firefox and tell him to use it only... (He wants NO! anti-virus as it slows his PC... dumb yes..)
Anyway, the next morning he calls me... "my PC is F**KED!" I reinstall it a couple of weeks later after finally convincing him to use FF 6 months later its screwed...



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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:15 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 46):
It's clear you have absolutely no knowledge of IE. To sort the bookmarks you just right click and choose 'sort by name/date/whatever'. It's as simple as that.

What version of IE are you using? I have the latest, non-beta version (6.0.29) and when I right click on a favorite, the only option I see with regard to sorting is, "sort by name". I don't find anything about sorting by "date/whatever". Ironically, that's the same thing I see when I right click on a bookmark in FF (sort by name). Funny thing, too. Just now when I opened IE to try that little experiment, I was greeted by no less than 2 banner ads and one pop up ad. Yet, when I used the same website (www.yahoo.com) to check Firefox and it's bookmark options, not only didn't see any banner ads or pop ups but, thanks to the Ad-block extension I have installed (being that FF is ummm, open source and all), I didn't see any advertisements at all. Yeah, keep telling us how great IE is.
 
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RE: Mozilla Firefox - What A Pile Of Junk

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:23 pm

There is nothing wrong with the PC in terms of speed/processor (Pent 4)/AV software. I've run AVG for years along with McAfee firewall and Spybot Search & Destroy and they're all on auto-update and auto-scan (every day) etc and also do incoming and outgoing email. I can't remember the last time I got a virus, but it was a dialer from some porn site which AVG found straight away and chewed up and since then zilch, so don't give me "oh your PC must be f*cked" line cos it isn't and I've never had any trouble with IE either - EVER.

We're never going to agree on it and I'm clearly in the minority along with 2 others. I don't like Firefox and the way you have to go rummaging around for hundreds of add-ons to get it working like it should do out of the box. It's slow, it's clumsy and it looks very amateurish and that's not what I expect from a browser. I like IE because it's all there out of the box; okay it has a few flaws but in the main it does what it says on the tin. Also add to that the fact that I've never had any problems with it.

Like I said, I gave Firefox a go because everyone else raves about how good it is, but I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about. I'll stick with IE thanks.

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