BA787
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Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:58 pm

Not a huge fan of trains but I heard a couple of days ago that they are close to being liquidized which shocked me greatly as GNER is a great company that offers a great alternative to cars (dare I say it air).

Anyhone heard the latest, also as I was travelling home on Wednesday, GNER cancelled a service between Leeds and Kings Cross as I was boarding my train

Anyone know why

Tom
 
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:45 pm

Oh dear.

They operate via Grantham. Used to use them all the time, not the best service, always had to stand, and one point a conductor PUSHED my sister into the train as it was full. Not good.

We shall see what happens. They have asked for the goverment to rethink lowering something or other, but the goverments response was "We never negociate"
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:50 pm

 eek  oh no quick,hide this thread report from EWS,if he sees this he will need time off to recover. Big grin

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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting BA787 (Thread starter):
Not a huge fan of trains but I heard a couple of days ago that they are close to being liquidized

Don't normally like to correct people's English, but the word you were looking for was "liquidated"!  Smile

Anyways back to this topic. The company who owns GNER, Sea Containers has debts of around of £350m. Sea Containers recently went to the high court over the decision to allow Grand Central railways to operate services between King's Cross and Sunderland.

However Sea Containers lost the court case which means a three times a day service will start from mid december and it is a definite that Grand Central will undercut GNER's fares between York and King's Cross.

Sea Containers generally now has two options. Either it can sell the business at a loss, because GNER is not making as much money as required in the franchise aggrement they made with the Office of Rail Regulation last year, one major reason for this was the terrorist attacks in London last year.

Or Sea Containers can keep the business but turn the train company can turn into a sort of no-frills service, cutting jobs and greatly reducing the number of services that will have a full restaurant service.

That's about it. But what we all do know is that one of Britain's best train operating comapnies is going to change, for better or worse we shall see in the future.

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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:12 pm

GNER aren't the only ones in financial dissarray.
The company that owns Eurotunnel (Le Shuttle) and also Eurostar are in serious financial problems, and look to be facing liquidation....

If GNER went down, imagine who would be at the franchising conference, with a huge grin on his face - as always.....

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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:16 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 1):
and one point a conductor PUSHED my sister into the train as it was full. Not good.

Obviously you haven't ridden on Japanese trains at rush hour. Although, the JR packers wear gloves when they do their shoving. It's more polite that way  silly 
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 4):
The company that owns Eurotunnel (Le Shuttle) and also Eurostar are in serious financial problems, and look to be facing liquidation....

Eurotunnel and Eurostar are two totally different companies:

  • Eurostar is a train operator using Eurotunnel infrastructure for a fee, as it is using English, French and Belgium infrastructures.
  • Eurostar is owned by National Express Group, SNCF (French Railways), SNCB (Belgian Railways) and British Airways.
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:35 pm

Not a fan of GNER, they don't give you free food or drink in first class. Even Southern offer complimentary tea and coffee on some morning services in first. Though i don't pay anything like full fare, so i suppose i can't complain.  Wink

I'm sure First Group would be happy to take over the GNER franchise, they seem to have taken over everywhere else (Thameslink, WAGN, Scotrail, Thames Trains etc)
 
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 7):
I'm sure First Group

That is about the only company who I would be glad to see takeover, If Virgin took over I would be furious.

Such a shame, whcih idiot ruled that there could be a competiton on the route, especially when the government recieves so much money from GNER. Grand Central isn't what I expect to see in York station when I travel to Pitlochry. It's Red and Blue all the way.

Also, I didn't know Eurostar was owned partly by BA

Maybe BA could expand its subsidiaries and buy the remains of GNER as it already has close dealings with them thanks to Eurostar (GNER uses Eurostars every so often for their routes)

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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 3):
If Virgin took over I would be furious.

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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:24 am

I thought this might be a good time to post pictures of the current state of possibly one of LNER's most famous trains, The Flying Scotsmans.

I think she is getting overhauled at the York Museum, where I took the pictures from





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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Trainspotter!

You must be joking, can't stand it, just have an interest in GNER, thats about it. I know a few companies, just hate the whole Virgin thing


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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:46 am

Crap... My mistake... Flying scotsman was LNER not GNER! Disregard the photos!
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Express1 (Reply 2):
oh no quick,hide this thread report from EWS,if he sees this he will need time off to recover.

 rotfl 

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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting TGV (Reply 6):
Eurotunnel and Eurostar are two totally different companies:

Yes, I know that.
Perhaps my phrasing confused you
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 14):
Perhaps my phrasing confused you

It did, indeed !
But if you did not mean that Eurotunnel and Eurostar are the same company, do you mean that Eurostar is facing liquidation ? This would come as a shock for me.
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RE: Gner Trains: The Latest News?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting TGV (Reply 15):

Hey
Its well known that EuroTunnel are in financial hiccups at the moment.
Recently on BBC radio news, I heard that the company that runs Eurostar may have to sell off/liquidate the service due to mounting losses.

Probably due to the extremely high price compared to air travel and very questionable time saving.

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