ACB777
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Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:50 pm

After I finish university, I am considering moving to Toronto and working in downtown. Where are the nice areas to live? I was thinking of the following areas:

North York - nice, but is it very expensive?
Scarborough - Is there a lot of crime there? What about in the Agincourt area?
Brampton - Is it too far from downtown? The prices there aren't very high, which is good.
Mississaugua - I have heard mixed opinions about this area
Markham/Richmond Hill - Are these areas too far from downtown?
Etibicoke - I've seen it, and it doesn't look very nice in my opinion? Or are there nice areas around?
Don Mills - Never been here, is it nice?

How bad is the traffic to/from these areas in the mornings and evenings? Should I live in the suburbs listed above, or walking distance from work in downtown Toronto? I've heard from somebody else that it is very cold in the winters when walking to work, and all the busses are full.

Does anybody have any comments or advice? It would be greatly appreciated.
 
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Markham/Richmond Hill - Are these areas too far from downtown?
North York - nice, but is it very expensive?

They are physically farther from Downtown but most York Region/Viva transit buses go to a subway station (usually Finch, the first station on the Yonge/Bloor line) which easily takes you downtown. In the mornings and evenings on weekdays you will often see buses packed with people coming from Finch station which travel all over Markham with people coming/going to work. I wouldn't be concerned with getting downtown.

North York has homes in different price ranges. My dad is a real estate agent and he says the area has moderately priced homes.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
North York - nice, but is it very expensive?

not necessarily!! If you are not sure where your job is going to be or are flexible about the place, then North York is place to be as it lies right in the middle of Greater Toronto Area (GTA)

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Scarborough - Is there a lot of crime there? What about in the Agincourt area?

Scarborough is a big place, so cannot be generalized. There are small scattered pockets where crime is more, rest is okay. People living here (one of them is me) are not complaining

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Brampton - Is it too far from downtown? The prices there aren't very high, which is good.

Don't consider it if Downtown is your focus. Rents is expensive as the construction is new and as nearby Mississuage is now saturated.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Mississaugua - I have heard mixed opinions about this area

Nice place to live. Bustlying, but not inexpensive. Very good for those who have job/work in that area. You should not be particular about working in Downtown. Mississuage has equal if not greater opportunities.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Markham/Richmond Hill - Are these areas too far from downtown?

Beautiful area, but you'd need your own vehicle. In much of the Metropolitan Toronto, you don't really need one, but the need for one makes Markham/Richmond Hill/New Market a bit special. Same applies to Brampton too.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Etibicoke - I've seen it, and it doesn't look very nice in my opinion? Or are there nice areas around?

Again don't generalize. It has its share of gems eg. Royal York, High Park. Area south of Bloor st. is terrific. Very important that you avoid Jane St. esp in northern Etobicoke.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Don Mills - Never been here, is it nice?

Very good area. Strongly recommended. Avoid East York which is a bit south of Don Mills.

Verdict: Along with Downtown, try looking for job/work in Mississuaga. But, stay in Mississuaga only if you have work there, else it is inconvenient. And if you happen to be working in Downtown, then in order of preference Don Mills, North York and Scarborough. You won't need a car if you are close to transit.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Scarborough - Is there a lot of crime there? What about in the Agincourt area?

Some parts of Scarborough are very nice, others aren't, just make sure you know what you are looking at, and I'm sure if you narrowed down an area some of us who live in Toronto like myself could narrow it down. Scarborough is a big area.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
North York - nice, but is it very expensive?

North York is nice, what is good about North York is you are in the TTC Service area, which obviously makes going to work very simple.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Brampton - Is it too far from downtown? The prices there aren't very high, which is good.

Brampton is out to the West of the City, now that is a bit of a pain in the arse to get to if you're not going to have a car, however, the GO Train is fantastic, many of my friends use it to go to work, a monthly pass is not unreasonable, and you get delivered right to Union Station in the heart of downtown..

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Mississaugua - I have heard mixed opinions about this area

Some areas are beautiful, high end, and then again, other areas have had increasing problems with crime and whatnot.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Markham/Richmond Hill - Are these areas too far from downtown?

I'm personally in Richmond Hill, it's a nice area, my parents and I moved here 12 years ago, it's booming, houses going up everywhere. Crime is not much of a problem at all, however, best chance to get downtown is to buy a Viva Bus Pass, and a TTC Pass. Viva is a great new bus system that is going to have wireless interenet on it soon from what I hear, and that will get you to Finch Station, where the TTC can then take you wherever you please in terms of Downtown.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Etibicoke - I've seen it, and it doesn't look very nice in my opinion? Or are there nice areas around?

Beautiful 15 years ago, now it's really not the place you'd like to be.

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
Don Mills - Never been here, is it nice?

Don Mills is an area that I do like, I've done a whack of construction jobs there in the summer.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 3):
I'm personally in Richmond Hill, it's a nice area, my parents and I moved here 12 years ago, it's booming, houses going up everywhere. Crime is not much of a problem at all, however, best chance to get downtown is to buy a Viva Bus Pass, and a TTC Pass. Viva is a great new bus system that is going to have wireless interenet on it soon from what I hear, and that will get you to Finch Station, where the TTC can then take you wherever you please in terms of Downtown.

I ride YRT to/from work daily and tried Viva last week to get to an appt. It was cool but bumpy. The annoucements of the next stop were good though. The Wifi will be good for someone who is going from Finch station all the way to Newmarket.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:35 pm

I'm in Brampton and could not even contemplate a daily commute to Downtown Toronto.

Brampton is okay if you enjoy crowds, traffic lights, stop signs, construction line-ups and no-one who speaks English......Oh yeah and Timmies on each and every corner.

If you were to be blindfolded and put in ANY area of Brampton and then have your blindfold removed, you would find no distinguishing landmarks to help you figure out where you were. Every subdivision is identical and every mall has the same identical stores.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:07 am

I too would avoid Brampton, as it does absolutely nothing for me. I recently purchased in Mississauga, and frankly I wish I were in a different area. Mississauga isn't bad, but I feel like I'm in an area with lots of traffic with nowhere that interesting to go to. I'd rather be down by the lake, perhaps by High Park, Harbourfront, or in an area like North York (Yonge and Sheppard perhaps). One major consideration for me next time will be availability of bike paths, as where I am now, there isn't anything. Nor is there anything that interesting within walking distance.

The benefits to where I am right now are that price isn't too over the top, it is convenient for work, and the building itself is very nice indeed. Otherwise, I think I will be moving when I get a chance.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 5):

Alan!! Can we find him a place at Airport Rd. and Orlando Dr. Big grin
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:37 am

If you're working downtown, I wouldn't overlook living downtown too. The money/time you save commuting can be worth the higher living costs. There are still areas downtown that are reasonable.

I've lived/worked downtown for the last 8 years and wouldn't think of leaving now!

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:39 am

Ahh just feeling a bit nostalgic here. Toronto is one of my favourite cities in the world. My family lived well, we came off the Main Street subway station, and I think the main street that ran along there was Danforth Ave. Is that in considered part of the North York area?

I hope to do my masters in Toronto. At least that is my plan  Smile

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):

Hope everything goes well for you in Toronto dude.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 2):
Again don't generalize. It has its share of gems eg. Royal York, High Park. Area south of Bloor st. is terrific. Very important that you avoid Jane St. esp in northern Etobicoke. Avoid East York which is a bit south of Don Mills.

Verdict: Along with Downtown, try looking for job/work in Mississuaga. But, stay in Mississuaga only if you have work there, else it is inconvenient. And if you happen to be working in Downtown, then in order of preference Don Mills, North York and Scarborough. You won't need a car if you are close to transit.

Aseem: You were doing so well talking about the 'burbs, but I'm not sure know your 416 neighbourhoods very well. BTW, Jane St isn't in Etobicoke. North York is HUGE and full of good and bad areas. Don Mills can be nice, but again, you need to be specific --- Don Mills and Eglinton is FLEMINGDON. You do NOT want to live anywhere near Flemingdon Park. I would also suggest avoiding Don Mills near Sheppard. That leaves Don Mills and York Mills or Don Mills and Lawrence. They're nice areas, but what's there? Nothing.

ACB: Toronto is a city full of little villages and distinct neighbourhoods. We can talk here about safe areas vs rough areas (like most of Scarborough!) or expensive areas vs. REALLY expensive areas like Rosedale, Forest Hill, Yorkville or Lawrence Park.

In order to answer your question, we need to know a bit more about you.

If you want cheap, and don't care about the "Toronto experience" - go to the burbs like Mississauga, Richmond Hill ... even Scarborough (although it's technically not a burb, it feels like it). Trust me though --- move to those places once you're married; not while you're young.

If you are a fun, young guy with a good job, the neighbourhood for you is Yonge & Eglinton (aka Young and Eligible). Actually, anywhere on Yonge Street is pretty good with a few exceptions.

If you enjoy outdoor activity, I suggest the Beaches.
Artsy are you? Check out Queen Street West.
Want to live like near lots of students? Move to "the Annex".

High Park, as Aseem mentioned, is quite nice, and there are lots of young people. It's not a bad commute to the airport, nor Mississauga from there.

If you're gay, you may want to check out the "gaybourhood" near Church and Wellesley Sts. The neighbourhood itself is quite safe, but a bit south and a bit east and you're in Regent Park. Do NOT move to Regent Park!

If you have a cultural background and would like to live in an area where you may have that in common with many of your neighbours, let me know, and I can point you in the right direction too. We have little Greeces, Italies, Indias, Koreas etc. You name the culture, we've got the community. It's part of what makes Toronto the best city in the world to live.

There are so many great parts of the city; and I could find you a great spot if I knew more about you and what you're looking for. Here are a few rules of thumb for your consideration:

Major subways are along Bloor-Danforth (east west); Yonge and University lines (north south). If you don't have a car, find something on Yonge (see above) or right downtown.

Stay away from:
Regent Park (Dundas, west of Church to the DVP).
Jane & Finch (actually, Jane and anything north of Eglinton).
Don Mills, south of Eglinton (Flemingdon Park).
Parkdale - (I don't care if they ARE reinventing the neighbourhood).

While in 416, this may sound strange, but avoid anything with "oak" in it. This rule does not apply to 905 area (Oakville and Oak Ridges are nice). Within Toronto proper though, the word "oak" is generally a bad thing. Stay away from streets and neighbourhoods with it.

If you have any questions, let me know.
I've lived in almost every part of the 416 & the 905 for 27 years.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 6):
I too would avoid Brampton, as it does absolutely nothing for me. I recently purchased in Mississauga, and frankly I wish I were in a different area. Mississauga isn't bad, but I feel like I'm in an area with lots of traffic with nowhere that interesting to go to. I'd rather be down by the lake, perhaps by High Park, Harbourfront, or in an area like North York (Yonge and Sheppard perhaps). One major consideration for me next time will be availability of bike paths, as where I am now, there isn't anything. Nor is there anything that interesting within walking distance.

As someone said, Mississauga has become oversaturated and some places there have lost their charm. The Square One shopping center, which seemed a worthwhile place to shop, seems increasingly outdated and crowded. Some of the areas around Mississauga Road remain placid and the houses there are larger and well-established -- far from the madding crowd.

The last time I visited that area, I stopped at the Dominion, I believe, off Southdown Road, and was disappointed with the quality of service provided. Specifically, I was unhappy with having to wait for service as I was shopping for a particular kind of battery common in the 'States.

They've built up that area and there are a great many more commercial opportunities but I sometimes question whether the same ambience persists as was the case thirty or forty years ago. I hate to sound elitist, but think the answer would have to be in the negative. My stay at the Sofitel in the Square One area was nice enough, though, although this was about three years ago.

I remember the days before the Square One shopping center there was even built. When they initially developed the mall, what is now Wal-Mart was a Woolco, which wasn't bad. The center seems to attract folks who are not necessarily among the most prosperous in the area. However, there is tract housing in the area that seems to cater to the middle class, at least.

I would also agree that the Don Mills area has become an area to avoid. By the way, the last time I visited, I was distressed to see how run-down the Ontario Science Centre had become.

As for Brampton, I've always thought of it as primarily a one-street city. There's hardly anything of interest off Queen, I'm afraid. No offense is meant to anyone who likes that area, naturally.

There is a new city north of Toronto that I plan on visiting again the next time I'm up there. Vaughan, established in 1991, as I recall, advertises itself as "The City Above Toronto". From what little I saw of it a while ago, it seems basically a collection of light-industrial zones, although I feel certain there is more to it. If, as I suspect, it is business-friendly, then there is much to recommend it for that reason.

This is just my humble opinion. Toronto is a vast metropolis of many different regions, and some of them are truly world-class. It is, without question, one of my very favorite cities on the entire planet.

[Edited 2006-08-19 18:33:30]
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 11):
There is a new city north of Toronto that I plan on visiting again the next time I'm up there. Vaughan, established in 1991, as I recall, advertises itself as "The City Above Toronto". From what little I saw of it a while ago, it seems basically a collection of light-industrial zones, although I feel certain there is more to it. If, as I suspect, it is business-friendly, then there is much to recommend it for that reason.

Vaughan, "the City above Toronto", is where I work. Vaughan is made up of Woodbridge, Maple, Concord and Kleinburg and oddly, Thornhill. The city is growing faster than the infrastructure can sustain at the moment. Traffic is chaotic at the best of times along Hwy 7, but you're right, it's not a bad area.

I would recommend Vaughan for someone with a family. It's not really a great place for young singles like ACB. There are very few rental places in the area almost no apartments. There are plans for some mid-rise condos, in the near future, but you will need to wait for those.

The entire area, particularly Woodbridge, in known for it's Italian population. There is no shortage of fantastic restaurants and bakeries, although you must remember, this is a suburb. There's not much in terms of excitement for single people. There is also a small, but very active and proud Muslim community in Maple right near Canada's Wonderland. Kleinburg is a very expensive community, but aside from nice houses, an art gallery, a nice golf course and a very small 'main street' -- there's not a lot there. Thornhill, is realy more like Richmond Hill than anything else. Culturally, there is quite a mixture depending on what part of that community you live. Concord is primarily industrial with only a small residential component ... and brand-new shopping mall.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:49 am

Canuckpaxguy, thank you for the very informative posting. I have quite positive feelings about Thornhill; I was unaware that it is now part of Vaughan. Thus, it appears from your post and my own experiences that Vaughan is indeed more than merely a collection of light-industrial buildings -- much more.

The last time I was there, I drove up from Toronto and past Steeles, I believe. (Don't hold me to that; it was at night.) That area seems fairly industrial, and it is likely that I simply failed to see the residential areas nearby.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:19 am

It depends on where in Toronto you get the Job and how much you make.
Within Urban Toronto (Old Cities of Toronto, East York, and York) area's which were and might still be reasonable would High Park area, Riverdale, and East York (above the beaches and below flemingdon, around Danforth). In the outskirts of Toronto (Scarborough, North York and Etibicoke) all have good areas and bad. In Scarborough, Agincourt, Bluffs area are nice and safe, would avoid areas around Western part of Eglinton avenue in Scarborough, and Malvern area. Eastern part of North York is good but expensive. Western part of North York is a bit troublesome with Jane/Finch and some areas around Weston Road. Etibicoke is nice but it too had trouble spots, avoid Northern parts of Etibicoke around Sheppard/Finch/Marting Grove/Kipling Area.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:33 am

So what part of Toronto did Doug and Bob Mackenzie live?

Seemed pretty 40's tract housing to me when I watched the scenes at their house in "Strange Brew"
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 7):
Alan!! Can we find him a place at Airport Rd. and Orlando Dr.

Aseem, great idea! Then all the YYZ spotters can move in and help with the rent!

It's also close to Timmies!!!

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:22 am

I guess we have no residents from Durham Region..

Ajax and Whitby particular are very nice cities to live in.

I particularly miss living in Ajax, as it was a nice place to live. You're only 30 minutes from downtown (in good traffic lol) and about an hour in rushhour. Depending on how much $$$ you're wanting to spend, you can find a nice place there.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:31 am

a brief summary of areas to be avoided for variety of reasons!!
1.Brampton
2.Jane & Finch in North York
3.Flemingon, that is South of Don Mills and Eglinton in East York.
3.Malvern in Scarborough.
4.Regent Park and Cabbage Town in Downtown
5.Sherbourne St. and St.James Town in Downtown
4.Parkdale that is Lansdownes/Dufferin and Queen st.

others may add to the list..

as a student we don't expect you to be in
1.Rosedale
2.High Park
3.Toronto Islands

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:54 am

Don Mills was very nice but is useless now that the shopping centre is being ripped apart and replaced with a half-assed outdoor shopping contraption. My parents have lived there for 16 years and are about to move because the neighbourhood has completely lost its usefulness and character.

Problem in Toronto is that it seems no matter where you live, it will take you at least 1 hour by TTC to get downtown if you have a bus or streetcar as part of your journey. This is a true example:
My partner and I used to live in East Toronto. He would take the 504 Streetcar to work along Gerrard street and transfer to the subway to get to his work at Yonge/King, while I worked near 401/Dixie in Mississauga and would drive. If we both left the house at 7:00am, I would usually get to work before he did   That ride on the streetcar could take between 15 to 50 minutes, not to mention the short turn bullshit that the pull in the rush hour.

If you aren't a big earner and have free parking downtown, I would reccommend finding somewhere within walking distance of your work to save the hassle. Otherwise, try to find somewhere within walking distance of the subway (which is good) because the bus and streetcar service is inconsistent. Yonge and Davisville is a nice area that is close to the subway.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:39 am

I'd agree with most fo the above...

I, ironically, live in the Chruch/Wellesley area (and am not gay), just because it was the best i could find close to work (Jarvis & Bloor) in my budget, however im still paying $400-600 more a month than i would be say in Markham or Thornhill. The area is very very clean and safe, and im 5-10 mins from 2 subway stations on Yonge, shopping, restaurants galore... very nice area, no matter your orientation.

I did live in Richmond Hill (Bathurst and Major Mac) previously, and the area has been taken by the Mushroom effect, houses are appearing like CRAZY all the way up to Newmarket. VIVA is a great system, but getting to it can be a pain as it only runs on the main N/S routes like Yonge, so unless someone can pick you up or drop you off it can be incovinient. Also, warning, if you are working "regular" hours downtown and don't like traffic, this area is NOT for you. Highway 404 and the DVP can backup VERY badly VERY quickly. The whole reason i moved was because the stress of getting to work on time was making me unwell, i would leave home at 6:30am for work at 9 and sometimes be late, and other times be there at 7:15!, going home at 5 was the same thing, lucky to get there for 7:30 sometimes. And there werent many alternatives for me. The Subway would of cost me around $100 a month plus VIVA or parking, and would of taken just as long and been very crowded.

Now, im being moved to Brampton, and im looking at housing in Northern Mississauga, there are lots of availabilities there now and prices seem to be good.

Maybe i should use the chance to get people's opinions on:

Bristol/Trailwood & Hurontario (North of SQ1)
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:25 am

Yikes...

Looks like someone's working for Rogers  Wink. ^^^

I used to live in North York, East York and an area just bordering Scarborough. I now live downtown within walking distance to Yorkville, Annex and the Financial District. If you can, try to move downtown as long as you don't work in the 905-area. There has been a resurgence in downtown living (driven by cookie-cutter condos), and there are so many things to do if you live 'in the action'.

Living downtown isn't as expensive as people think. You can find a nice one-bed condo in the 1,000-1,200 range and do away with a car. You can always try zipcar.com or autoshare.ca for occasional car needs. Most importantly, you save on commuting time; I probably 'gain' another hour or two from being able to walk to work on a regular basis.
 
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:40 am

Back in the mid 1980's I lived in Toronto for a year. I was in the Royal York Rd., Dundas area by Humbertown Centre. I thought it was very nice. But things can change in 20 years!
 
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting KL642 (Reply 22):
Back in the mid 1980's I lived in Toronto for a year. I was in the Royal York Rd., Dundas area by Humbertown Centre. I thought it was very nice. But things can change in 20 years!

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:35 pm

I'll never forget when I went walked through Parkdale for the first (and only) time. I saw a woman with GARBAGE woven into her hair. That and the general look of the area put me off.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 24):
I'll never forget when I went walked through Parkdale for the first (and only) time. I saw a woman with GARBAGE woven into her hair. That and the general look of the area put me off.

Perhaps living in the suburbs all my life, I have a different view than most..

I find pretty much MOST of Toronto to be very smelly, very crowded, and very annoying.

I like my car. I like being in my car with people I know. I like being able to drive, door to door, no matter where I go..

I find Toronto as a nice place to *visit*, but I'd NEVER want to live there..

I do a LOT of work in the Toronto area, and I must admit.. I never feel safe, I always feel like someones watching me and that I need to look over my shoulder, and I often feel 'out of touch' with the little shops and restaurants.. I feel like they are soooo much more sophisticated than I feel I am.

Perhaps I'm alone on this one, but.. I just don't see *any* benefit to living downtown, OTHER than the fact that if you work there, it's much more convenient.

I like looking out my backyard, and I see trees and houses, not condos and homeless people walking around.

Perhaps I'm living in my own world.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 24):
I'll never forget when I went walked through Parkdale for the first (and only) time. I saw a woman with GARBAGE woven into her hair. That and the general look of the area put me off.

Travel advisory for you: Don't go to Sherbourne and Dundas. It is sharp contrast to Yonge and Dundas.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting ACB777 (Thread starter):
After I finish university, I am considering moving to Toronto and working in downtown.

If you ever just go to visit. Stay at the Carling View Inn. Not only is it next to the airport; it is in view of the former Carling (now Molson) brewery. Been all beered up there several times! Stayed there for the name, went back for the service.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:57 pm

Also avoid the shady rest motel strip along lakeshore dr. In fact, most of lakeshore dr. is dodgy except when you get close to downtown. Browns Line and that little Poland part of town(lower Etobicoke) is not safe after dark.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 6):
I recently purchased in Mississauga



Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 6):
I'd rather be down by the lake, perhaps by High Park

Ditto, been in Miss. for over two years. Moved from High Park, regretted every minute of it. Miss. has no personality, the cookie-cutter houses differentiated by what colour flowers in your hanging basket. Each house has one of or combination of: (1) basketball net (2) patterned concrete driveway (3) lamp post accent lighting (4) or those diode house numbers. First chance we get, we're heading back down to HP. Some co-workers of mine used to torture me with living in HP soooo close to "Crack-dale". Having lived down there (HP) for over 7 years, never had a problem, only moved so the boy can have a backyard to run wild in. House we're in now, next door to a junior retail executive specializing in high school student supplies (read:weed outta' their parents garage) Can't wait, starting to pack my boxes now. I don't mean to heavily bash Miss. but just by it's very nature, you get in your car and drive everywhere, and as a result, you see your neighbours twice: getting in their car going to work/store/function (waving) and getting out of their car after work/store/function (waving). Back in HP we were 1 1/2 blocks from the lake, the park, and small mom and pop stores on Ronces'. Virtually every house was different and had history (my house built in 1912). The Coles notes version: Captaingomes, I could not agree with you more.
 
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 12):
Vaughan, "the City above Toronto", is where I work. Vaughan is made up of Woodbridge, Maple, Concord and Kleinburg and oddly, Thornhill.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 13):
xguy, thank you for the very informative posting. I have quite positive feelings about Thornhill; I was unaware that it is now part of Vaughan.

Thornhill is not part of Vaughan, it is part of Markham. Markham is made up of 4 communities: Markham Village, Unionville, Milliken and Thornhill.

http://www.markham.ca/markham/channe...visitorinfo/about/aboutmarkham.htm
 
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 12):
The entire area, particularly Woodbridge, in known for it's Italian population.

No kidding, I was trying to get along Hwy 7 the night they won the world cup, bad idea. I just ended up getting out and partying with them, there was no point in trying to drive through.

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 12):
Thornhill, is realy more like Richmond Hill than anything else. Culturally, there is quite a mixture depending on what part of that community you live.

Very true. There is a predominately Asian neighbourhood that is rapidly expanding north east of Bayview & Major Mac. My area, Bathurst & 16th is fairly Anglo. Thornhill has a fairly large area of predominately Jewish families as well.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 20):
I did live in Richmond Hill (Bathurst and Major Mac) previously, and the area has been taken by the Mushroom effect, houses are appearing like CRAZY all the way up to Newmarket.

Very true as well. My area although fully developed, was on it's own about 10 years ago, now, we've got people everywhere, but I don't mind it one bit. It's a great area of town.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 30):
Thornhill is not part of Vaughan, it is part of Markham.

As a rule, it's best not to contradict me. I rarely make mistakes.  Wink

The York Region website:
http://www.yorktourism.com/Municipalities/Vaughan.htm
"The City of Vaughan, just above Toronto encompasses five vibrant communities-Kleinburg, Woodbridge, Maple, Concord and Thornhill."

City of Vaughan website:
http://www.city.vaughan.on.ca/tourism/history/thornhill.cfm
Thornhill is divided in half between the Town of Markham and the City of Vaughan, and runs along both the east and the west sides of Yonge Street. "

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 30):

I live in Thornhill and its a nice place. There is a growing Iranian community here as well. Thats good for me because I love Persian food. Yummm!

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 33):
I live in Thornhill and its a nice place. It is becoming little Iran in Toronto. You cannot go anywhere in Thornhill without hearing Iranians. They don't cause "problems" and most of them are nice.
Somebody said that Thornhill also has sizable Jewish community. So, lets do a different kind of experiment in this part of the world.  bigthumbsup 

It is this kind of diversity that I'll miss if ever I have to move out. I am a foodie and world cuisine round the corner is what I need.

A small caveat!! I Love Thornhill, but Loathe Thorncliff.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:38 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 34):
Somebody said that Thornhill also has sizable Jewish community. So, lets do a different kind of experiment in this part of the world.

There's no need for experiment, it works, Thornhill does have a sizeable Iranian and Jewish community. I'm in Thornhill almost every day, and my cousins go to Thornlea High School, never heard of racial problems there. It's a great place. It's like in Richmond Hill where I live, lot's of Anglo people, lot's of Asians, it all works out very well. Of course there are problems, but that's problems between people because of personal differences, not because of race issues. I went to Major Mackenzie High School years back, never saw a racial problem, just the usual teenager crap.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 35):

I am familiar with the area, had just put it differently.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 35):
It's like in Richmond Hill where I live, lot's of Anglo people, lot's of Asians, it all works out very well.

Well, maybe in Richmond Hill but in Markham the community has become virtually entirely Asian now. My cousin just graduated from Unionville High School and I believe they said 92% of his graduating class had a first language other than English - primarily Cantonese. I have heard him and his friends complain multiple times that discussion in classes often lapsed into Cantonese to the exclusion of the Anglophone students. Apart from the school system though, there are remarkably few racial tensions in Markham and random violent crime is virtually non-existant north of Highway 7 (some of the southern areas bordering on Scarborough are probably a different story though).

IF commuting to downtown though, be prepared for huge delays that can be almost completely linked to the 404/401/DVP interchange. The construction work there has seemingly gone on forever but all it takes is a single accident and things are back at a one-lane crawl that can back up all the way to the 407 on a bad day. There were times where I could make it quicker from Barrie down the 400 to Yorkdale and then switch to TTC into downtown than my cousin would take to just drive in from Markham!
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:25 pm

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 5):
I'm in Brampton and could not even contemplate a daily commute to Downtown Toronto.

I am in Brampton and could contemplate a daily commute to Downtown Toronto. At least via transit. I've ridden the GO Train from Brampton to Union a few times and find it convenient plus a great time just sit, read and ease into the day.

Sure, traffic here can be a pain sometimes (usually the rush hours), but such is life living in Canada's fastest growing city.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 37):
IF commuting to downtown though, be prepared for huge delays that can be almost completely linked to the 404/401/DVP interchange. The construction work there has seemingly gone on forever but all it takes is a single accident and things are back at a one-lane crawl that can back up all the way to the 407 on a bad day. There were times where I could make it quicker from Barrie down the 400 to Yorkdale and then switch to TTC into downtown than my cousin would take to just drive in from Markham!

Without construction or accident 404/DVP/401 interchange is an absoulte crapshoot. The problem is essentially one of a bottleneck. 6-8 lanes of traffic from 401E/W and 404 trying to converge into 3.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 39):
I am in Brampton and could contemplate a daily commute to Downtown Toronto. At least via transit. I've ridden the GO Train from Brampton to Union a few times and find it convenient plus a great time just sit, read and ease into the day.

Personally, I prefer to live closer to where I work. Travel time in my opinion is time-wasted. If I worked downtown, then I'd live downtown. However, if going there at a weekend I drive to Kipling and take the subway.

Quoting MattRB (Reply 39):
Sure, traffic here can be a pain sometimes (usually the rush hours), but such is life living in Canada's fastest growing city.

Limiting growth of Cities and having some distinguishing "border" (green space) between Cities would probably help. Upgrading the road structure before building multiple sub-divisions should be common sense.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 41):
Personally, I prefer to live closer to where I work. Travel time in my opinion is time-wasted. If I worked downtown, then I'd live downtown. However, if going there at a weekend I drive to Kipling and take the subway.

I agree. I lived in the Annex, and worked downtown. It was fantastic, as it only took 15 mins on the subway to get to work (and even then I wished I lived closer).

I couldn't imagine spending 45 minutes on the GO train (sometimes with no seats), there and back, and then spending more time in a mini traffic jam trying to leave the GO station parking lot. That is definitely not my idea of time-well spent (and of course it is exacerbated in Winter).

Of course, the downside to living so close, is the $$$ aspect.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:42 am

You should check out the Yonge and Eglinton Area. I live around there anf there are lot of cool pthings around and a good sized younger crowd (23-27). Lots of fun and the rents are reasonable.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 30):
Thornhill is not part of Vaughan, it is part of Markham. Markham is made up of 4 communities: Markham Village, Unionville, Milliken and Thornhill.



Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 32):
Thornhill is divided in half between the Town of Markham and the City of Vaughan, and runs along both the east and the west sides of Yonge Street. "

I see that the controversy has resolved itself in my absence.  Big grin
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 37):
Well, maybe in Richmond Hill but in Markham the community has become virtually entirely Asian now. My cousin just graduated from Unionville High School and I believe they said 92% of his graduating class had a first language other than English - primarily Cantonese. I have heard him and his friends complain multiple times that discussion in classes often lapsed into Cantonese to the exclusion of the Anglophone students. Apart from the school system though, there are remarkably few racial tensions in Markham and random violent crime is virtually non-existant north of Highway 7 (some of the southern areas bordering on Scarborough are probably a different story though).

I'll second that, my sister went to Unionville for the Arts York Dance Program, when I went to her graduation a few years back it was hard to spot the Anglo people, and even part of the ceremony was conducted in an Asian language, I can't recall which, because I stopped paying attention once I couldn't understand anything.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 45):

The biggest Asian population in York Region is in the Milliken/Markville/Unionville area.
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 44):
I see that the controversy has resolved itself in my absence. Big grin

Yes. Skyservice_330 and I were able to find a compromise just time to prevent an "M vs V" war which could have potentially torn apart a.net as we know it! We'll be out drawing chalk-lines on the pavement in the coming weeks to identify the boundaries.

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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:14 am

I've lived in Markham my entire life (20 years and counting).

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 37):
Well, maybe in Richmond Hill but in Markham the community has become virtually entirely Asian now.

"Among Ontario cities, the municipality of Markham was the most diverse, with 55.5% of its population part of visible minority groups."

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/demographics/cenhi6.html

Markham has a very large Asian population, particularly, I would say, in the Unionville and Milliken areas.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 37):
My cousin just graduated from Unionville High School and I believe they said 92% of his graduating class had a first language other than English - primarily Cantonese.

That doesn't suprise me one bit.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 37):
Apart from the school system though, there are remarkably few racial tensions in Markham and random violent crime is virtually non-existant north of Highway 7

 checkmark  Even in the school system I rarely heard of incidences in the area due to racial tension or ethnic tensions.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 37):
(some of the southern areas bordering on Scarborough are probably a different story though).

True. The Milliken area has a bit of a bad reputation for crime/violence as does a few other area's south of Highway 7 but north of Steeles.

Markham is a great place to live, don't get me wrong, but if you are looking for the "Toronto experience" then you should probably move a bit closer to the city. But if you are just looking for a job in Toronto and don't mind commuting into the core then Markham is definately a place to consider.
 
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RE: Living In Toronto, Ontario

Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:16 am

from the discussion here it seems I am the only one who is stone's throw away from Bloor-Danforth. Don't regret one bit, maybe bcoz I have no choice.
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