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Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:29 am

Or perhaps he is the Stepford student......

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...htm?source=rss&channel=kansas_news

In any case congratulations on a job well done. Forget Notre Dame and Princton. Havard, Yale, Stanford would all love to have someone with those scores and probably pay your way to boot.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:36 am

Just saw the article too. Doesn’t mean shit – and here is what shaded my view of those who score perfect -

A few years ago, I had a kid working for me right after he scored perfect on his SAT. Dumb as a bucket of rocks (common sense wise). I’m sure he had tons of book smarts, though.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Gilligan (Thread starter):
Forget Notre Dame and Princton. Havard, Yale, Stanford would all love to have someone with those scores and probably pay your way to boot.

Princeton just got rated better than Harvard, Yale and Stanford (in fact, it was rated the best school in the country). I don't buy into those things as gospel, but Princeton is a damn good school.

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:59 am



Too bad the most ass he will see is Playboy...And his little sister in the shower....
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:03 am

You know, good for him, but...i'm sure he has very little life. I know a few people like this, and they're smart as hell in class (as mentioned earlier, usually dumber than a ton of bricks on anything that actually matters in life like finances), but they have NO LIFE. College is great, but I learned more about myself and more about common sense and what I wanted out of my life in college than I did history or philosophy or that stuff. College is about more than just books and class, it's about having fun, it's about living life...he may score a 1600 on the SAT and a 36 on the ACT, but does he know much outside of books? Looking at him, unlikely  Wink
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 4):
he may score a 1600


Don't quote me on this, but I thought the SAT scores changed? (the scale)
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:06 am

Yeah it might have, I'm not sure, I only took the ACT, and that was 5 years ago (well, and the GRE about 10 months ago)
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:08 am

Back in my high school days, some of the people who made the most idiotic comments in class and lacked the most basic common sense were the same ones who scored well on standardized tests. The SAT/ACT is nothing more than an exercise of repetition, you just need to practice a couple of months from those practice books to do well. Now if this kid never practiced, good for him, congratulations but he's missing out on life...
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 5):
Don't quote me on this, but I thought the SAT scores changed? (the scale)

Yeah, they did.

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:21 am

Nice to see people bashing this guy saying he has no life, etc....I can't tell you how many times I've seen this levelled against people from my high school.

There are plenty of people that I know who can easily score a 1600 on their SATs and have quite active social lives...

Methinks some posters here are a tad bit jealous of this kid (Replies 1,3, 4, and 8).
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 10):
Methinks some posters here are a tad bit jealous of this kid (Replies 1,3, 4, and 8).

Jealous of what? I went to a damn fine university and have a degree in psychology. Why in hell would I be jealous?

My point was that often times those who do exceptionally well are forced by their parents to study day in and day out, to the point where the person does not develop socially. Social skills/being personable in life will take you much farther in life than having book smarts.

Edit: for some reason the spell check added 'rn' in between some words

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Gilligan (Thread starter):
Teen Or Alien?

Either way he is a virgin.  Wink He's also probably missing his latest Dungeons & Dragons or Magic: The Gathering party because of the publicity.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
A few years ago, I had a kid working for me right after he scored perfect on his SAT. Dumb as a bucket of rocks (common sense wise). I’m sure he had tons of book smarts, though.

I'm with you on this one. It is one thing to be book smart but if you can't think outside the box (oh crap, I just used a B School term...please shoot me!) or understand things can be non-academic then I have no use for you in my business. I'll hire someone from a podunk school with a proven track records over the last few years versus some kid straight out of the Ivy Leagues.

I have no idea about this kid though. He could be great and he obviously isn't dumb if he could ace both of the tests.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:48 am

I had a brain of a friend in high school. He was a math genius, but couldn't apply it to real life. Couldn't shoot pool at all. Christ on a Crotch Rocket! It's basic geometry!

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 10):
Nice to see people bashing this guy saying he has no life, etc....I can't tell you how many times I've seen this levelled against people from my high school.

 thumbsup 

I bet you and Mir have heard this so many times... It's just not true. At those heights, you do tend to be good at most things. I came from a fun high school, but went to the toughest college on the planet, and would have to say that the GMAT and GRE 800s were as fun and sociable as any one else, if not more so. Perversely, if you are that bright, you spend less time studying, and thus have more time for fun and games.
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:37 am

Guys come on. We a.nutter suck at times. The guy scored perfect, that is cool.. i mean he deserves nothing but congratulations. Whats with the he is a virgin with no life, look at playboy and his little sister for ass comments?

The guy scored perfect scores. That is the point.

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 8):
Back in my high school days, some of the people who made the most idiotic comments in class and lacked the most basic common sense were the same ones who scored well on standardized tests. The SAT/ACT is nothing more than an exercise of repetition, you just need to practice a couple of months from those practice books to do well. Now if this kid never practiced, good for him, congratulations but he's missing out on life...

Oh ok, did you score these easy to attain perfect scores?
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Either way he is a virgin.

This kid is pretty much the same. Any person that takes the ACT again after getting a 34 just has no life.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:14 am

Quoted from the article- He also participates in debate, Scholars Bowl and Science Olympiad.
Jake said much of his motivation comes from his family -- particularly two older sisters, Millie and Katie, who were valedictorians at Bishop Carroll and at Benedictine College in Atchison. Jake's father, Bob, is superintendent of Catholic schools in Wichita; his mother, Pam, is a school nurse at Bishop Carroll.

That pretty much says it all. I hope that kid gets a job making tons of money. Because he will never ever know the warmth of a woman. His mother made sure of that.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:26 am

Hmm...so I just saw that instead of editing my first post, a.net just put it up as a second post...weirddddd.

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 16):
Any person that takes the ACT again after getting a 34 just has no life

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:20 am

Looks like the Green-Eyed Monster roams again...

The poor kid comes from a normal, decent family, and is competing intellectually instead of on the football field. With his intellect, he will be in the position of serving his country in a big way.

He may not appeal to your average teenie, but a lot of attractive women find a high IQ very sexy, and won't date anyone else. They guy is already a star, and unless he ends up at Cal Tech or Carnegie-Mellon, he will have a great social life - if that's what interests him.

As for hoping he'll make tons of making money, I'm afraid that is a foregone conclusion. At a bare minimum, he'll get a job on Wall Street as a quant starting at $200K, rapidly moving up to $1M plus. On the upside, he will end up highly sought in the Valley, and hopefully make a billion before he turns thirty. That would make him a very attractive catch, and he will not want for the warmth of a smart woman.

I would be more concerned about his finding a challenging arena to work in, and turning away from highly paid jobs to finding a passion where mankind benefits.

We should nurture these gifted children rather than indulge in anti-intellectual geek-bashing. Mother Nature is trying really hard to improve our gene pool, so let's not stand in her way lest we become extinct.

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Gilligan (Thread starter):
Forget Notre Dame and Princton. Havard, Yale, Stanford would all love to have someone with those scores and probably pay your way to boot.

As one who just went through the college admissions process last year at a variety of extremely competitive colleges, I can tell you that a perfect score, while impressive, doesn't mean a heck of a lot to these schools, and it definitely wouldn't give you any sort of scholarship. In fact, when I went to an info session at Yale, they were almost glad to boast that they rejected over half of the students with perfect SAT/ACT scores that applied to the school. Guaranteed admission for this kid? I think not. Pay his way? Most definitely not.

I can speak from personal experience here - I didn't get a perfect score on my SAT's, but I came close to it. However, I know that's not what got me into Dartmouth. It's all of the other things that I was involved in that make the difference - captain of the swim team, member of student council, etc. They want to see that you're well-rounded, not that you were simply able to score well on a standardized test. At less selective schools, your SAT's alone might weigh heavily in your favor for admission, but at these high-end, ridiculously selective schools (Dartmouth had something like a 17% admit rate for the Class of 2010), you've got to have a heck of a lot more.
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 19):
Guaranteed admission for this kid? I think not. Pay his way? Most definitely not.

Harvard makes a big deal out of the number of perfect scores they reject. Like you said they want the well rounded student and not the bookworm.

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 15):
Any person that takes the ACT again after getting a 34 just has no life.

I was plenty happy with my 34 on the ACT and 1400 on the SAT.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:21 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 18):
Where would we be without geeks like Bill Gates

In a much better place.

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:30 am

Hmm, I have a friend (in college now) who aced all his APs, taught AP Physics, rean in cross country, did select choir, and was the most popular kid in high school. He now does ROTC at Gonzaga while double majoring in some weird crap (physics and math pof some sort), and is still well liked.

My point is that you don't have lack street smarts to be book smart, and being book smart does NOT mean that you have no social life.

That being said, this child does seem to be quite...hmmm, a nerd.  Big grin


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Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 19):
definitely wouldn't give you any sort of scholarship.

Yeah, that's where getting the counselor to say you walk on water comes in.  Wink
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):
Christ on a Crotch Rocket!



Yes my child, how may I help you?  wink 

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 19):
I know that's not what got me into Dartmouth. It's all of the other things that I was involved in that make the difference - captain of the swim team, member of student council, etc.

.......

Joel Goodson: College women can smell ignorance... like dog shit.
 duck 

But with this kid it could easily be....

My name is Joel Goodson. I deal in human fulfillment. I grossed over eight thousand dollars in one night. Time of your life, huh kid?

and thirty years from now maybe he'll have more money than


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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 22):
Yeah, that's where getting the counselor to say you walk on water comes in.

Not even in that case. All of the Ivy League schools offer need-based financial aid only; that is, you receive only the aid that you need to cover for the amount that your family can't pay for. It has nothing to do with your academic achievement; at these schools, everyone was a stellar student. They look at your parents' income, determine what they can afford, and then cover the difference between the school's tuition and what your parents can pay for.
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:54 pm

1. Have you guys read the infamous "How Opal Mehta..." by Kaavya Vishwanathan? Great book on the whole Ivy admissions process.

2. Looking at Stuyvesant HS college admission stats, there seems to be a very strong correlation between SAT and admission to H, P, and Y. Cutoff seems to be around 1450/1500...

3. I do agree with what everyone is saying about being well-rounded, but there must be a fast track for the exceptionally gifted - or only so at MIT/Caltech?

4. Is the 1600 SAT a mark of genius? If not, I take back all I've said...
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 25):
1. Have you guys read the infamous "How Opal Mehta..." by Kaavya Vishwanathan? Great book on the whole Ivy admissions process.

Too bad she got busted for plagiarizing...oh wait, we can't call it that anymore. Now they call it "Internalizing" someone else's work. They kicked her out of Harvard didn't they?
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 25):
4. Is the 1600 SAT a mark of genius? If not, I take back all I've said...

You really have to ask that question? Absolutely not - scoring 1600 (or 2400 now) on the SAT is not a monumental proposition if one puts their mind to it. It merely proves that he is devoted enough to study enough to do really well on a test - it has little bearing at all on how gifted he is.

If those scores are all he has, I wouldn't want him if I were Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc. Of course, I don't know this guy, and it would be stupid for me to make the blanket statement that SAT and ACT scores are all he has. But to make the claim that he is exceptionally gifted based on his test scores is ridiculous.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 25):
Looking at Stuyvesant HS college admission stats, there seems to be a very strong correlation between SAT and admission to H, P, and Y. Cutoff seems to be around 1450/1500...

Where do you get these stats?

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 23):
Yes my child, how may I help you?

How can I get a bike like that?  Smile

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
Where do you get these stats?

Stuy posts this on the web for parents and students as part of the college counseling process. I don't have a link, but I'm surprised you aren't aware of it
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
How can I get a bike like that?

$11,100 plus tax and title at your local suzuki dealer and you are a proud owner.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:06 am

Never underestimate the power of the nerds (Bill Gates a perfect example).

He will enter college and fail miserabily... (well if he is truly genius)
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 4):
You know, good for him, but...i'm sure he has very little life. I know a few people like this, and they're smart as hell in class (as mentioned earlier, usually dumber than a ton of bricks on anything that actually matters in life like finances), but they have NO LIFE.

That isn't always the case. I know a guy who was a year behind me in college who maxed the SAT's. He is not only brilliant, but he has a wife, two kids, and when we worked together years ago, was quite the party animal.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention. He is now a brain surgeon. Seriously.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:57 am

I stand by exactly what I said about certain members appearing to be jealous (several more members have posted similar thoughts since my last post). From my experience, ANYONE who throws around the "Smart people have no real-life skills" line or any of the wide variety of negative comments above are simply jealous and not as smart as the ones they are making fun of. Insecurity in its simplest form.

I can not express to you how many times I have had similar comments directed against me all my life...All I can say is that America is strong because of kids like this one above....

Quoting Comorin (Reply 25):
2. Looking at Stuyvesant HS college admission stats, there seems to be a very strong correlation between SAT and admission to H, P, and Y. Cutoff seems to be around 1450/1500...

Absolutely. In fact, Stuyvesant gives their students access to the previous years college acceptance statistics. You can search by college and it will list each student who applied along with their SAT score (broken down to Verbal and Math) as well as their average. Seniors planning their college application choices spend a lot of time looking at these statistics because it gives them a fairly accurate idea of what their chances are at making any particular school. If you look at H,P,Y (and pretty much all other top schools), there is usually a clear cutoff point with a hand full of exceptions due to legacy, affirmative action, etc....

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
You really have to ask that question? Absolutely not - scoring 1600 (or 2400 now) on the SAT is not a monumental proposition if one puts their mind to it. It merely proves that he is devoted enough to study enough to do really well on a test - it has little bearing at all on how gifted he is.

I 100% disagree. We both went to arguably the best high school on the face of the Earth, but even within that community there were some people who stuck out as truly genius. I always recognized it when I encountered them and felt no shame in not being in their league, but rather appreciation that I spent four years with them. I'm talking about the mutual friend of ours who scored a 1600 on the SATs when he was 15, or the kids who wrote full-length theater productions, or the dozens of Westinghouse/Intel semi-finalists...Sure, SATs are far from a perfect representation of any individual, but to say that those who get 1600s are not incredibly smart is just inaccurate.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Nice to see people bashing this guy saying he has no life, etc....I can't tell you how many times I've seen this levelled against people from my high school.

There are plenty of people that I know who can easily score a 1600 on their SATs and have quite active social lives...

Methinks some posters here are a tad bit jealous of this kid (Replies 1,3, 4, and 8).

I agree. Someone who is studious doesn't necessarily not have a life. I've seen both them and people with "no life" who do horribly in school.

Speaking of that, do you all know how much medical students (and law students party)? Lets just say a lot.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 32):
From my experience, ANYONE who throws around the "Smart people have no real-life skills" line or any of the wide variety of negative comments above are simply jealous and not as smart as the ones they are making fun of. Insecurity in its simplest form.

Agree. Lots of jealously lurking on this thread.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 32):
I 100% disagree. We both went to arguably the best high school on the face of the Earth, but even within that community there were some people who stuck out as truly genius.

In my Academy class, #'s 1 and 2 were well ahead of everyone else on the GPA scale. What was fascinating about them is that #1 was brilliant and worked hard, while #2 was rarely seen picking up a book, yet he'd stroll into an exam and ace it.

Some people really are smarter than the rest of us.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 28):
Stuy posts this on the web for parents and students as part of the college counseling process. I don't have a link, but I'm surprised you aren't aware of it

I was aware that they published them (in fact, I found out what my final average was from someone who had read them). I wasn't aware that they were available to the general public (or are you a parent or student?).

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 32):
to say that those who get 1600s are not incredibly smart is just inaccurate

I'm not saying that they're not smart. But I'm not saying that they are necessarily smart either. If you want to look at a good measure of intelligence, look at those other things you mentioned - extracurriculars and stuff like Intel in combination with grades and test scores. A lot of people can put together good grades or good test scores. The really special ones are good everywhere.

As far as the person who got a 1600 when he was 15, I'm not quite sure who you're talking about.

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
I was aware that they published them (in fact, I found out what my final average was from someone who had read them). I wasn't aware that they were available to the general public (or are you a parent or student?).

I'm family and was helping my niece with her college admissions process. You are right, that site is private. However, the data does not divulge student names or particulars.

I just wish Stuy had a better college counselling program, it does not do justice to the talent there.
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
I was aware that they published them (in fact, I found out what my final average was from someone who had read them).

Your post was a bit misleading with "Where do you get these stats?" That seemed to imply that you had never heard of it......

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
I wasn't aware that they were available to the general public (or are you a parent or student?).

They are not. In fact, they cut off our access once we graduated!

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
I'm not saying that they're not smart. But I'm not saying that they are necessarily smart either. If you want to look at a good measure of intelligence, look at those other things you mentioned - extracurriculars and stuff like Intel in combination with grades and test scores. A lot of people can put together good grades or good test scores. The really special ones are good everywhere.

I disagree. I think if somebody gets a 1600 on the SATs they are inherently smart (be it if they took it naturally or spent months studying). However, it doesn't mean that people who DON'T get a 1600 are not smart. Out of the things you mentioned--SAT scores, extracurriculars, and Intel participation--SAT scores are by far the best and easiest measure of one's intelligence. Again, a 1300 or 1400 does not make one stupid, but a 1600 does make one smart.

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
As far as the person who got a 1600 when he was 15, I'm not quite sure who you're talking about.

I'll tell you in IM...You guys were in chorus together...

Quoting Comorin (Reply 36):
I'm family and was helping my niece with her college admissions process. You are right, that site is private. However, the data does not divulge student names or particulars.

Nope, but there are always some students who keep their own tally of who is who...

Quoting Comorin (Reply 36):
I just wish Stuy had a better college counselling program, it does not do justice to the talent there.

When did your niece graduate? The old college adviser was absolutely fantastic. She had been doing it for years and had built up enough connections to get students taken off waiting lists at Ivy League schools...Unfortunately, she retired and used her lucrative skills to go into the private sector.....

That's a common complaint though....It's just difficult to have a small department handle 800 students applying to multiple colleges, and they can't expand the department so you wind up with a ratio of several hundred students per adviser. It works out because most students/parents are aware of the limitations of the in-house system and do their own research.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 37):
I disagree. I think if somebody gets a 1600 on the SATs they are inherently smart (be it if they took it naturally or spent months studying). However, it doesn't mean that people who DON'T get a 1600 are not smart. Out of the things you mentioned--SAT scores, extracurriculars, and Intel participation--SAT scores are by far the best and easiest measure of one's intelligence. Again, a 1300 or 1400 does not make one stupid, but a 1600 does make one smart.

In my graduating class in high school we had one get a 1600 on the SAT and quite a few get pretty damn near close. While impressive, it isn't an impossible feat. What I do know is that my classmate, and a few of his friends that also scored as high, studied very intensively for the SATs. But they were also in Academic Decathalon and in all the AP classes as well (FWIW I was in many of those same classes with them). So obviously people who score REALLY well on these tests are going to be smart, and have been involved in activities and take classes that reinforce their abilities to do well on these tests. Being in advanced math/ science classes and having to read/write a lot goes a very long way towards helping you do well on these tests.

However I would contest the assumption that the SAT is a measure of intelligence. First of all defining intelligence is a tricky thing. SAT scores are a decent predictor of success in the first year or two of college, but they do not measure intelligence. Rather (to quote one of my profs from grad school) they measure your ability to do school related things -- such as memorize vocab, reason, solve problems, think critically, etc.... And there are people that do all this VERY well, but absolutely bomb these tests.


FWIW, I am not envious of this kid. My 1280 served me very well.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:26 pm

You know, some peole are just good test takers.

I never really have seen a real correlation between high test scores and the ability to make the right choices and succeed in college and in a profssional life, and on top of that have a good social life and healthy relationships.

Its just a damn test, and flawed ones at that.

And I know people will disagree, but no one can know all the answers, luck has a place too.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 37):
You guys were in chorus together...

That's good enough.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 37):
Your post was a bit misleading with "Where do you get these stats?" That seemed to imply that you had never heard of it......

Not my intent.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 36):
However, the data does not divulge student names or particulars.

True, but when one is the only one to go to a certain college in a certain year, then it's pretty obvious who is who.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 37):
In fact, they cut off our access once we graduated!

The nerve of them!  Smile

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 37):
SAT scores are by far the best and easiest measure of one's intelligence. Again, a 1300 or 1400 does not make one stupid, but a 1600 does make one smart.

Easiest, yes. But not best. I will agree that people who get 1600s are not stupid. But a 1600 is in no way the mark of a genius.

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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 40):
True, but when one is the only one to go to a certain college in a certain year, then it's pretty obvious who is who.

Haha, true I suppose....
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 7):
Now if this kid never practiced, good for him, congratulations but he's missing out on life...



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 3):
Too bad the most ass he will see is Playboy...And his little sister in the shower....

Don't worry when he's 30 and he has a house made of 100 dollar bills, he's going to have both of your wifes at the same time.
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 42):
Don't worry when he's 30 and he has a house made of 100 dollar bills, he's going to have both of your wifes at the same time.

Okay....Great point
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:11 am

The SAT has been reformulated to become more politically correct and hide the falling test scores. The maximum is now 2400, as there is a writing portion included to attempt to get females to score better.

And of course, this is after the SAT was "recentered" in 1995.
 
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 44):
as there is a writing portion included

My oldest is a senior this year. We've visited several colleges so far and not one of them has included the essay portion of the new and improved SAT test. One admissions person told us it was so subjective as to be almost worthless since no two styles are going to be the same.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:51 pm

The level of petty jealously on these boards is pathetic. Just be happy for the kid and leave it at that.

These inane comments about "geek", "virgin", et. al. just opened a window into how some A.netters are using some verbal bombs to assuage their tender egos.

A perfect SAT/ACT does not guarantee one a rich, contented, meaningful life, that I agree. But, conversely, a perfect SAT/ACT does not make one a ivory tower absent minded virgin professor with no social skills.
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RE: Teen Aces Both Sat And Act, Teen Or Alien?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:13 am

The good thing is that he may be weird now, but he'll be very successful and famous in the future because of his hard work.

It takes a lot to give up a social life to achieve success, but it's worth it.

You gain so much knowlege and understanding of so many things.

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