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England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:34 pm

So what are your opinions on this forfeiture.

In my personal opinion if ICC are unable to prove that Pakistan did tamper the ball, then Pakistan are the correct ones.
 
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:39 pm

Well Sky Sports has 20 odd cameras around the ground and they could find any footage that suggests that Pakistan tampered with the ball.

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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:42 pm

Already being discussed here: What's Going On In The Cricket? (by 9VSPO Aug 20 2006 in Non Aviation)
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:46 pm

5 runs are not that much and are probably very unlikely to affect the outcome of the match. The more significant effect is the change of the ball. If there is any question of the ball having been tampered then it is fair enough to get the ball changed (as long as it is of a simliar state (age & shine) as the current one). If they continue to play with a damaged ball with england subsequently loosing lots of wickets and the ball tampering is then proven to be proved the wickets cannot be taken back! If the ball tampering is proven to be untrue the 5 runs can be removed from the total again. I hope this makes sense!
Pakistan are incorrect to refuse to take to the pitch again. The umpires followed the rules. They should have followed the standard procedure by playing on and lodging an offical protest after the days play finish. Pakistan could have dealt with it a lot better.
What is it was dickie bird that had made the desicion? Would Pakistan have taken the same action if it was not Daryl Hare? What if the series was 1-1 and Pakistan had a chance of winning? I think they would have gone back on the pitch.
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1):
Well Sky Sports has 20 odd cameras around the ground and they could find any footage that suggests that Pakistan tampered with the ball.

Can those cameras concievably catch every movement of a bowler or fielders fingers while holding the ball, considering its very easy to pick the seam with very little movement of the fingers?

It would be trivial to hide such an action.

The Umpires decision is final on the pitch, Pakistan should not have done what they did.
 
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):
Can those cameras concievably catch every movement of a bowler or fielders fingers while holding the ball, considering its very easy to pick the seam with very little movement of the fingers?

It takes some effort to unstitch or otherwise tamper with/damage a cricket ball, if anything significant had been done to the ball my guess is that it would have been captured by one of the many cameras.
 
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting JamieD (Reply 5):

It takes some effort to unstitch or otherwise tamper with/damage a cricket ball, if anything significant had been done to the ball my guess is that it would have been captured by one of the many cameras.

I used to bowl for my Sixth Form team (pretty good as well actually) and believe me, its not that hard to alter the balls properties with very little effort, definitely something that can be done seruptitiously in the hand.
 
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 6):
its not that hard to alter the balls properties with very little effort, definitely something that can be done seruptitiously in the hand.

thats correct. Its not that hard to raise the seam of the ball or to apply a bit of sunscreen to it.
 
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:30 am

"thats correct. Its not that hard to raise the seam of the ball or to apply a bit of sunscreen to it."
It takes good 30 secs to apply even a simple scratch on the ball, let alone the ones we saw on the ball when the two umpires were holding it. And if it is nearly impossible for 26 comers to catch the ball-tempering, how can the two umpires catch it and on what grounds did they penalize Pakistan??
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RE: England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:09 pm

Any Pics of the Tampered ball.
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