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Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:19 am

Louisville: A teacher has burned the American flag in his class in order to teach his students about the freedom of speech.
The students all of them were in the seventh grade were supposed to write an essay what feelings the flag burning caused to them.
The teacher is now suspended. Many parents demand his instant dismissal from school-teaching.

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
The teacher is now suspended. Many parents demand his instant dismissal from school-teaching.

Overreaction on the parents part. I think that'd be an interesting essay to write.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 1):
I think that'd be an interesting essay to write.

I think it would be too, in a post-secondary education environment with collegiate maturity, or at least upper high school maturity. Not with 7th graders who aren't used to that type of extremism yet.  redflag 

While some may argue that they need to be shown extreme acts like this, a 7th grade mind isn't quite ready to understand the gravity behind doing something of this nature. I think it was a tasteless act on the teacher's part. He could have easily just asked what feelings do they think they would feel if they witnessed something like this.

I don't agree with the flag burning, but it would make a good philosophical discussion.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 1):
Overreaction on the parents part. I think that'd be an interesting essay to write.

Yes, it is an interesting topic, but we've all had to write many an essay on things that would have been seriously inappropriate to demonstrate in class. Doing it for 'instructional purposes' would not have made it okay. If he wanted an essay on kiddie porn would it have been okay to show them some? How about cruelty to animals? Lynching?

I'm pretty sure he violated fire codes in his demonstration.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 2):

While some may argue that they need to be shown extreme acts like this, a 7th grade mind isn't quite ready to understand the gravity behind doing something of this nature. I think it was a tasteless act on the teacher's part. He could have easily just asked what feelings do they think they would feel if they witnessed something like this.

What makes you say that a 7th grader (12-13?) can't comprehend the gravity of what's going on? The very fact that the act caused such an uproar proves that it's something that should be discussed more in schools.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:00 am

It's unbelievable to me how people get their panties in a bunch over a piece of cloth/nylon. IT'S SYMBOLIC PEOPLE!!!! It is NOT the Arc of the Covenant!

The UK is just as patriotic as we are... and you see the Union Jack on toilet paper, clothes, tea towels... just about everything. It hasn't lessened the amount of liberty or freedom in their country. This country's obsession with the gaudy "star spangled banner" borders on idol worship.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:04 am

This teacher should be canned quick like.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 5):
It's unbelievable to me how people get their panties in a bunch over a piece of cloth/nylon. IT'S SYMBOLIC PEOPLE!!!! It is NOT the Arc of the Covenant!

Could we burn the teacher? He is just a human, there are dozens of them around...

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:05 am

Freedom of speech is all well and good until someone violates your own principles and beliefs. Then its something that cant be tolerated at all. Apparently.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
This teacher should be canned quick like.

Why ? He burned a piece of fabric. He didn't bring down the government. Get some perspective.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 4):
The very fact that the act caused such an uproar proves that it's something that should be discussed more in schools.

Fine....discuss it until they piss in their pants. But tell me why the hell should a teacher burn a flag in order to prove his point?

7th graders these days can probably comprehend much more than those 20 years ago, but that doesn't negate the fact that a teacher actually burned a flag instead of just talking about burning a flag.

Ironically, the people who bitch and moan about prayer in schools and how the state should be separate will probably be the first ones to run and defend an arm of the state expressing extreme political views.

It was tasteless and unprofessional. The teacher should be terminated.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
I've seen teachers suspended for less.

In this day and age, it was pretty stupid of him to do something like starting a fire in the classroom without (presumably) checking it out with the school's management first.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
If he wanted an essay on kiddie porn would it have been okay to show them some? How about cruelty to animals? Lynching?

Whilst it's OK to consider the flag a symbol for an idea and thus burning it represents being against that idea (though I don't agree with that), it goes a bit far to compare it to kiddie porn, animal cruelty and lynching.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 7):
Could we burn the teacher? He is just a human, there are dozens of them around...

Most humans who have a brain understand the difference between liberty, freedom of speech and expression, and a 3x5 foot multi-colored piece of fabric/nylon made in China.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 10):
Fine....discuss it until they piss in their pants. But tell me why the hell should a teacher burn a flag in order to prove his point?

7th graders these days can probably comprehend much more than those 20 years ago, but that doesn't negate the fact that a teacher actually burned a flag instead of just talking about burning a flag.

Ironically, the people who bitch and moan about prayer in schools and how the state should be separate will probably be the first ones to run and defend an arm of the state expressing extreme political views.

What extreme political view did he express? As I understand it, the lesson was about the power of this particular form of PROTECTED free speech.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 13):
What extreme political view did he express?

His extreme view of free speech.

How many other teachers have burned flags out there? Not very many huh? Yet somehow they were able to express their points on the subject.

Once again, it was unprofessional. I never said it was illegal.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 10):
But tell me why the hell should a teacher burn a flag in order to prove his point?

Why shouldn't he?

Showing it on TV or having them imagine it allows the students a detached perspective from the act. Doing it right in front of them involves them directly and would be more evocative.

Wonder how long the tightwads latch on to this as a reason to ban flag burning..
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
it goes a bit far to compare it to kiddie porn, animal cruelty and lynching.

No it doesn't go too far at all.

All I am asking is how do we establish where the line is? I am obviously not saying all of these acts are equal. If starting a fire in a classroom is against local laws (as I'm sure it is) then the teacher is guilty of such a serious breach of common sense that one might make good argument for his dismissal.

I personally don't have a lot of heartburn over occasional marijuana use, and students clearly need to know some things about it, but that does not justify a teaching passing the pipe around. Where do we draw the line? How about with the law - if it is illegal, it is not okay to demonstrate. Seems really simple and straightforward to me.

Notice that I have not said anything about flag-burning - the political act, but about starting a fire. Considering the nature of the assignment, I think we can safely conclude that this was a Civics, Government, or English class and not a chemistry lab where fires might be expected.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 14):
His extreme view of free speech.

That doesn't make any sense. Free speech is a liberty and a right. In and of itself it isn't "political".
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:29 am

Usnseallt82... I respect that you're in the military and just hope you're fighting for our liberties and freedoms as codified in the Constitution... NOT for a piece of cloth, as I've heard many in the military espouse. There's a BIG difference.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:31 am

Oh please.

People abuse democracy all the time nowadays. Tabloids publish whatever the hell they want and can easily afford the libel costs than occasionally ensue. Muslim clerics with hooks abuse freedom of speech. People burn why fabric dyed in some colours.

One may not like it but if you live in a country that allows such freedoms then have your cake and choke on it.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:32 am

The act may have been too harsh for the minds of seventh graders. In my humble opinion, the teacher should be given a warning and be required to take a seminar on sensitivity.

Teachers need class when teaching their class!

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
The teacher is now suspended. Many parents demand his instant dismissal from school-teaching.

Yes, the teacher did something that violates no law, to speak of, and everyone wants the teacher fired.

Free speech and political expression is a bitch, folks. Deal with it. The teacher perhaps should be suspended for burning anything in a classroom, but dismissed?

Seig heil, baby.

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
This teacher should be canned quick like.

Why? Because you don't like what he did? Too bad, KROC. The loonies on the right haven't outlawed the practice yet-although you'll hear them wailing how the "flag is under assult and needs protection" before the day is out.

Again, deal with it. It's freedom. It's nice, isn't it, until someone does something you don't agree with?

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 14):
His extreme view of free speech.

Who decides "extreme", my friend? The Congress? The President? You? Me? That's why if you pass this idiotic flag burning amendment, it eventulally will move to something else.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 17):
In and of itself it isn't "political".

You've got to be kidding me. It is entirely political when you discuss the dichotomy of views surrounding most of the first 10 Amendments. I'm not questioning whether or not what he did was illegal, I'm questioning his professionalism in his actions.

His extreme view of the freedom of speech directly reflects his understanding of a piece of political history. It is entirely political.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Freedom of speech is all well and good until someone violates your own principles and beliefs. Then its something that cant be tolerated at all. Apparently.

Apparently indeed.



Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Why ? He burned a piece of fabric. He didn't bring down the government. Get some perspective.

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Quoting TWFirst (Reply 12):
Most humans who have a brain understand the difference between liberty, freedom of speech and expression, and a 3x5 foot multi-colored piece of fabric/nylon made in China.

One would like to think so, but...


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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 22):
You've got to be kidding me. It is entirely political when you discuss the dichotomy of views surrounding most of the first 10 Amendments. I'm not questioning whether or not what he did was illegal, I'm questioning his professionalism in his actions.

His extreme view of the freedom of speech directly reflects his understanding of a piece of political history. It is entirely political.

Free speech isn't political. Free speech is a liberty/right... you're drawing conclusions from this particular form of free speech as demonstrated by this teacher. You're assuming he was trying to communicate his particular views about this country/government/whatever. THAT'S where YOU'RE politicizing it. The lesson he was trying to teach was about exploring and learning WHY this particular form of free speech generates the extreme feelings that it does in many Americans... and your reaction demonstrates it beautifully.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 18):
I respect that you're in the military and just hope you're fighting for our liberties and freedoms as codified in the Constitution... NOT for a piece of cloth, as I've heard many in the military espouse. There's a BIG difference.

I agree...there is a BIG difference. And I also agree that many forget what is wrapped up in the symbol of our nation, not the symbol itself.

The problem isn't that this teacher didn't have the right to burn that flag. He did. But the 7th graders didn't have the opportunity to refuse to view it, which is their right if they didn't agree with it. It was unprofessional, not illegal. Because of this, he should be removed, be it temporarily or permanently.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Who decides "extreme", my friend? The Congress? The President? You? Me?

I decide, damn you. Big grin

Society decides. The will of the people. You don't see many people going around burning flags, so when it happens it is considered extreme. I never said there was anything inherently wrong with it, other than I personally don't agree with the act. But it isn't illegal.

It was unprofessional.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
That's why if you pass this idiotic flag burning amendment, it eventulally will move to something else.

That's another subject altogether where I think you and I...surprise surprise...might have similar views. {the shock and awe emotion}
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):

No it doesn't go too far at all.

All I am asking is how do we establish where the line is?

The line is clearly the law. While it's pretty daft to start a fire in a classroom, had he had the backing from the school's management and the fire department, I don't see how his act would have been 'unprofessional' and warrented a suspension.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 24):
The lesson he was trying to teach was about exploring and learning WHY this particular form of free speech generates the extreme feelings that it does in many Americans... and your reaction demonstrates it beautifully.

I agree...which is why I have stated several times that it would make for a good political and philosophical discuss, something that I am always up for.

However, in the context of a 7th grade class...where students are typically around 12-13 years old, it was unprofessional.

The teacher's choice to use this as an example shows his political views that this isn't an extreme act. I wasn't there, so I don't know if he expressed his personal views as well, but you have to realize that burning a flag in the middle of a 7th grade class is a pretty good way of expressing your personal belief on the subject, since discretion was apparently tossed out the window.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:46 am

"Unprofessional", no. Provocative and perhaps unorthodox, yes.

IMO, we desperately need more teachers who think outside of the box and can truly reach a kid and stimulate critical thinking/reasoning skills. These kids are fortunate!
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:52 am

I would like to read the story in English. The key for me is: did he burn it IN the classroom, or outside were the kids could be kept a safe distance away. Of course if it was one of those rdink sized flags and he did it over the classroom sink, that's something else, but a full sized American flag IN the classroom?

If he did as I suppose (fullsized flag in the classroom) He ought to be jailed for wreckless endangerment. If he did it ouside or in a guaranteed safe manner, then he ought to be our next President!!!
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Why ? He burned a piece of fabric.

Yes, fabric it may be, however, a flag is a symbol of a national and national pride. Burning the sysmbol of a country shows your hatred to it and your disrespect to it and the people who died in honour of it.

For example, a war memorial may be 'just a piece of carved stone' however, you would go burnign that now would you? Its there to commemorate the many people who died.

The flag is the same.

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
That's why if you pass this idiotic flag burning amendment, it eventulally will move to something else.

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 30):
Yes, fabric it may be, however, a flag is a symbol of a national and national pride. Burning the sysmbol of a country shows your hatred to it and your disrespect to it and the people who died in honour of it.

Precisely. And it is a prized right that the people you mention died to defend.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:12 am

Here is the story in English from the website of the daily newspaper of the Louisville,KY area.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...cle?AID=/20060822/NEWS01/608220378

He apparently burned 2 small flags in his classroom to stimulate discussion. While not illegal to burn a USA flag, as a political protest (and in a dignified fashion it is the proper way to dispose of a worn or damaged flag), this was just asking for trouble. Besides any fire in a classroom could be a hazard. Apparently 25+ parents showed up to protest this act and got this teacher suspended in the meantime. The article notes that this teacher has been there since 1979 and had a good reputation. One wonders if he was looking to get an early retirement by this act. I am quite sure the union will be in a knot as to defending him in a dismissal procedure but not wanting to piss off the community by defending his flag burning. Could hurt them at the next contract renewal if they support him.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:43 am

Gosh, am I the only "conservative" today (maybe with the exception of Kroc)? If I'm not mistaken, most US American teachers are no public servants, but I still think they are obliged to the Constitution more than most others. And the flag is a symbol that represents the Constitution.

Yes, he has the right to burn the flag and the school has the right to fire him for exactly that inappropriate behaviour, as long as no judge says otherwise. Then again, to sue the school would mean to rely on the principles he just helped to go up in smoke, if only symbolically.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
The students all of them were in the seventh grade were supposed to write an essay what feelings the flag burning caused to them.
The teacher is now suspended. Many parents demand his instant dismissal from school-teaching.

On the one hand I think it's an interesting way to get feelings going prior to an essay, and it's also an effective demonstration of our freedoms in action.

But on the other hand it's an attention seeking stunt performed on kids who probably aren't ready to process that information effectively. Perhaps on high schoolers, or college students who have had more time to develop critical and analytical thinking skills. This seems fairly advanced for that age group.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
I'm pretty sure he violated fire codes in his demonstration.

Probably, if he did this indoors, or if his system has rules about that. If he did something that stupid he ought to be at least suspended for not thinking about safety first.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 4):
What makes you say that a 7th grader (12-13?) can't comprehend the gravity of what's going on?

I'm not sure they're emotionally ready for something that deep. Most of them need a bit more gradual entry into such topics and more experience before you can ask them to make complex political and sociological decisions.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Why ? He burned a piece of fabric. He didn't bring down the government. Get some perspective.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Why? Because you don't like what he did? Too bad, KROC. The loonies on the right haven't outlawed the practice yet-although you'll hear them wailing how the "flag is under assult and needs protection" before the day is out.

Again, deal with it. It's freedom. It's nice, isn't it, until someone does something you don't agree with?

Save your tears for the impending Browns debacle this year Falcon. A college professor wants to pull some BS like this - fine. However in a 7th grade class, it does not belong. Oh, and its funny you mention "loonies". Its like describing your post before finishing it.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 36):
However in a 7th grade class, it does not belong

How young is too young?

I think this is a fantastic demonstration of the fragility of the so called right to Freedom of Speech and how easily it can be taken away from you by those that disagree with you.

These kids have learnt a valuable lesson of how your engrained rights have been reduced to rights you can exercise only when you are part of the majority mob. Thats going to stay with them for years.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
I'm pretty sure he violated fire codes in his demonstration.

That alone ought to be enough to get him fired.....then there's the child endangerment aspect.

Put it this way, if a teacher pulls that crap in front of my kids, I'll ensure that teacher gets reported, and if the school condones it, I'll transfer them lickety split...

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 25):
But the 7th graders didn't have the opportunity to refuse to view it, which is their right if they didn't agree with it.

Unfortunately the students probably didn't either have time to walk out the door, or didn't realize that they even had a choice to walk out, if they even did have a choice.

I'll be very interested to see ANCFlyer's views on this subject.....

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 37):
How young is too young?

I think this is a fantastic demonstration of the fragility of the so called right to Freedom of Speech and how easily it can be taken away from you by those that disagree with you.

These kids have learnt a valuable lesson of how your engrained rights have been reduced to rights you can exercise only when you are part of the majority mob. Thats going to stay with them for years.

Friggin' spare me with this "engrained rights have been reduced". Living in America as I do, I have not noticed one damn thing that has changed regarding my rights. Taking it back on topic. 7th grade kids are not thinking about things like this. Think back to when you were in 7th grade. Still learning history, how things work etc. More interested in getting home to watch T.V. or go outside and play. Save the flag burning tutorials for college.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 39):
7th grade kids are not thinking about things like this. Think back to when you were in 7th grade. Still learning history, how things work etc. More interested in getting home to watch T.V. or go outside and play.

So because your education was crap, you expect bright, intelligent 12-13 year olds to sit through boring, unimaginative lessons? Spare us the 'kids just want to play football' crap - if more kids were taught to debate important topics like this at school, the world would be a better place.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 12):
Most humans who have a brain understand the difference between liberty, freedom of speech and expression, and a 3x5 foot multi-colored piece of fabric/nylon made in China.

How do you know it was made in China?

His behavior is just plain rude. Not to mention childish, pointless and unprofessional. I have a brain and understand the difference, besides it was just a suggestion.

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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 39):
Friggin' spare me with this "engrained rights have been reduced". Living in America as I do, I have not noticed one damn thing that has changed regarding my rights.

Im not going to get into a discussion about this, but your rights today are very different to how they were intended to be.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:15 am

Somebody was wearing their bad-idea jeans! Silly Firing is always appropriate in the face of sheer stupidity.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 40):
So because your education was crap, you expect bright, intelligent 12-13 year olds to sit through boring, unimaginative lessons? Spare us the 'kids just want to play football' crap - if more kids were taught to debate important topics like this at school, the world would be a better place.

Shouldn't you be telling AR385 that he is lying about his injuries or pissing in EWS' pool? I hardly received a "crap" education. And yeah, kids to want to play football, or baseball, or dick off and watch TV. They have a lot to learn before they get saddled with flag burning and whatever else. Take a look at the kids associated with godhatesfags.com and tell me they are ready for all of life's lessons at such an early age.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 42):
Im not going to get into a discussion about this, but your rights today are very different to how they were intended to be.

Maybe so, however not one time has it effected me or anyone that I know. Because of that, its pointless to cry or argue about it.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 30):
Yes, fabric it may be, however, a flag is a symbol of a national and national pride. Burning the sysmbol of a country shows your hatred to it and your disrespect to it and the people who died in honour of it.

Flags are not sacred. Why should any symbol be sacred ? A flag is a piece of cloth, and how does burning it harm anyone ? Patriotism is not about how much you love symbols, its how you work to better your country and the lot of your fellow human beings. What matters is people, not things.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 45):

Maybe so, however not one time has it effected me or anyone that I know. Because of that, its pointless to cry or argue about it.

If you dont take notice and protest even if it doesnt affect you, it just makes it easier to erode your rights past a point where it does, after all by that point they have momentum on their side.
 
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 41):
Deport his ass...

YEAH! If he don't like it here in Kintuckee... he can jist go over there to Russia!! Then he'll understand about rights and stuff.

 Yeah sure

Quoting Migfan (Reply 41):
How do you know it was made in China?

Because Americans won't buy flags that cost more than $5.99... that would be un-American.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 25):
I never said there was anything inherently wrong with it, other than I personally don't agree with the act. But it isn't illegal.

Agreed.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 25):
It was unprofessional.

On that, I agree 100%. I think what would have been more appropriate would have been to clear it with the Principal, and to send a letter out to the parents of the students stating what would happen, and that it was NOT an exercise in disrespect, but in challenging the students to think about freedom, how far it can and should go, and the consequences of such actions.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 25):
That's another subject altogether where I think you and I...surprise surprise...might have similar views. {the shock and awe emotion}

I'm really not surprised at all. I don't see you as a fantast of the far-right, my friend.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 35):
On the one hand I think it's an interesting way to get feelings going prior to an essay, and it's also an effective demonstration of our freedoms in action.



Quoting KROC (Reply 36):
Save your tears for the impending Browns debacle this year Falcon

Start a thread on the NFL, and we can talk that subject. It's not relavant to this debate, my friend.

Quoting KROC (Reply 36):
However in a 7th grade class, it does not belong

I think it's appropriate, IF he had done what I said above. My son is in 8th grade, and to say they can't handle it or think about it is rubbish.
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RE: Louisville: Teacher Burns American Flag

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 46):
If you dont take notice and protest even if it doesnt affect you, it just makes it easier to erode your rights past a point where it does, after all by that point they have momentum on their side.

There is the fact that my rights are not eroding. There is always that.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 48):
I think it's appropriate, IF he had done what I said above. My son is in 8th grade, and to say they can't handle it or think about it is rubbish.

You're wacked. You think its appropriate, so it MUSt be okay. I think it is inappropriate and you are jumping on my shit instead of just having a differing opinion. Good to see the old Falcon back.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 48):
Start a thread on the NFL, and we can talk that subject. It's not relavant to this debate, my friend.

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