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F1: Turkey GP

Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:49 pm

After the great Hungarian GP now it is time for Turkish GP this weekend.

Let's hope a great challenge and excited grand prix.

Of course I vote for Schumi and Ferrari......
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:17 am

Well that's Renault's mass dampers banned once and for all now. Will be interesting to see how they go this weekend having had a while now to work on the car with the assumption that they might have been banned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5270830.stm


Much will depend on the weather this weekend and tyre performance of course. I'm thinking a Schumacher win. However should Alonso beat Schuey, that will send out an emphatic message from Renault as the season end gets closer.
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:52 am

Don`t rule out mclaren or raikkonen this weekend, after a fairly good grand
prix in hungary where they had good reliability and nearly a one two finish
and this weekend being mclaren/mercedes 200th grand prix together i think
the team and raikkonen will have a point to prove so i don`t think schumi
and alonso will have it all there own way this weekend.

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:07 am

Raikkonen will take pole on saturday. Button will be somewhere in the first 6 cars .

Alonso will probably loose another point or two to Schumi. I expect Barrichello to be seen this weekend as well!

As for race winner. I'd put money on Raikonnen!
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
Raikkonen will take pole on saturday

If he will be sober  drunk  (link)

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:39 am

The insulator on the spark plug for cylinder No. 7 on the Toyota V-8 may slightly glaze up and turn brown.

[Edited 2006-08-23 18:49:42]
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:12 am

Istanbul always has such great things going on and I always miss them by a day or 2!
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
Well that's Renault's mass dampers banned once and for all now.

Renault have basically lost the championship now! Dam! JEnson may be up there near the front but as to will KImi and hopefully Pedro De La Rosa. THis last podium will be a huge boost to him. Will make some great entertainment this weekend
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Emrecan (Thread starter):
Of course I vote for Schumi

That is sad
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
That is sad

Hehehe true. Especially after all the things Schumi has done in the past  Wink
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 7):
THis last podium will be a huge boost to him. Will make some great entertainment this weekend

Also, because he won the race without too much of a struggle (+ 30 second lead). They will have saved valuable revs on those temperamental Honda Engines...

Alonso is far from out of the championship and schumi is still just within arms reach of a fantastic come back...
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 10):
Also, because he won the race without too much of a struggle (+ 30 second lead). They will have saved valuable revs on those temperamental Honda Engines...

Alonso is far from out of the championship and schumi is still just within arms reach of a fantastic come back...

Yes no doubt Button is on a high and if Barrichello can master the starts sometime within the next 5 years then he'll be boosted aswell by Buttons win. I must admit, whilst not really liking Ferrari much, I predict they will win the championship, however I will be spuring Renault on. I hope it doesn't come down to the last race. Who knows what stunt Schumacher would pull to win!
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:18 pm

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 11):
I hope it doesn't come down to the last race. Who knows what stunt Schumacher would pull to win!

I hope it DOES come down to the last race. Can you imagine the tension of an all out battle for first place! Its the stuff dreams are made of!

I was hoping to get to the Shanghai Grand Prix, but i'm now on a course for the whole of october and i cant get back to work in time after the race. However i've promised myself i'll be there next year!!
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:59 pm

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 12):
I hope it DOES come down to the last race. Can you imagine the tension of an all out battle for first place! Its the stuff dreams are made of!

OK maybe it would be nice if it did come down to the last race, but as long as Schumi doesn't try anything smart assed like running into Alonso! But just imagine, only one retirement by either drive can have a huge effect on the outcome. If Schumi has a retirement then he's back to 20 points behind. IF Alonso retires, its all even. Luckily, Schumi's retirement in Hungary canceled out the effect of ALonso's retirement.

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 12):
I was hoping to get to the Shanghai Grand Prix, but i'm now on a course for the whole of october and i cant get back to work in time after the race. However i've promised myself i'll be there next year!!

That would be a great Grandprix to go to!
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:17 pm

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
Raikkonen will take pole on saturday. Button will be somewhere in the first 6 cars .

Alonso will probably loose another point or two to Schumi. I expect Barrichello to be seen this weekend as well!

As for race winner. I'd put money on Raikonnen!

Lets hope so.

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 12):
I was hoping to get to the Shanghai Grand Prix, but i'm now on a course for the whole of october and i cant get back to work in time after the race. However i've promised myself i'll be there next year!!

I was thinking about it as well or Japan. Both look like logistical nightmares to get to once in the country.
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:25 pm

Kimi Raikkonen set the pace in the first free practice session for the Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul, after a last gasp flyer set him 0.4s apart from the rest of the field.

It used to be unusual to see a McLaren driver at the top of the times so early in a GP weekend, but Kimi set the standard early in Hungary as well before going on to take pole position so...

The Finn's recent pace is certainly indicative of the team's desire to secure a race victory before the season runs out.

World championship protagonist Michael Schumacher was second fastest for Ferrari, but just 0.008s behind him was Hungarian GP winner Jenson Button.

Fastest of the Friday testers was Alex Wurz, the Austrian Williams driver deprived of his usual sparring partner Anthony Davidson when the Englishman's Honda engine packed up with 12 minutes of the session remaining.

Before he stopped on track though, the newly-wedded Davidson - running a special livery in deference to Turkish oil sponsor Ofisi - did manage to set the fifth fastest time.

McLaren's Pedro de la Rosa was sixth fastest ahead of BMW;s Nick Heidfeld and his impressive new testing team-mate Sebastian Vettel.

Robert Doornbos, fresh from breaking speed limits on Dutch dams was ninth fastest for Red Bull, while his STR stable-mate Neel Jani completed the top ten.

Rubens Barrichello was 11th ahead of this week's Midland man Giorgio Mondini.

Scott Speed was 13th followed by the Midland race duo of Christijan Albers and Tiago Monteiro, while Franck Montagny's first taste of the Super Aguri SA06 was pleasant as he outpaced Ferrari star Felipe Massa.

Sakon Yamamoto and Vitantonio Liuzzi completed the runners.


Turkish GP free pratice session 1 times


1. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m28.315s

2. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m28.777s

3. BUTTON Honda 1m28.785s

4. WURZ Williams 1m28.959s

5. DAVIDSON Honda 1m29.193s

6. DE LA ROSA McLaren 1m29.376s

7. HEIDFELD BMW 1m29.780s

8. VETTEL BMW 1m29.964s

9. DOORNBOS Red Bull 1m30.391s

10. JANI Toro Rosso 1m30.576s

11. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m30.838s

12. MONDINI Midland 1m30.846s

13. SPEED Toro Rosso 1m31.416s

14. ALBERS Midland 1m31.475s

15. MONTEIRO Midland 1m31.566s

16. MONTAGNY Super Aguri 1m31.814s

17. MASSA Ferrari 1m31.904s

18. YAMAMOTO Super Aguri 1m32.212s

19. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m32.407s

20. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota no time

21. TRULLI Toyota no time

22. FISICHELLA Renault no time

23. ALONSO Renault no time

24. SATO Super Aguri no time

25. KUBICA BMW no time

26. KLIEN Red Bull no time

27. COULTHARD Red Bull no time

28. WEBBER Williams no time

29. ROSBERG Williams no time
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:27 pm

Second test session (all information taken from http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Latest.aspx)

BMW can boast of discovering another super-rookie after Sebastian Vettel made a dream debut at the Turkish Grand Prix - blitzing the field in free practice at Istanbul on Friday.

The 19-year-old German, called up to replace Robert Kubica in the BMW test team after the Pole was promoted into a race seat, stunned the paddock by setting the fastest time of the day – a 1m28.091s.

Vettel, showing no ill-affects from his recent finger injury, didn’t put a wheel wrong and looked every bit capable of filling Kubica’s role in the team after BMW’s Mario Theissen suggested yesterday that he would wait and see before giving him the role full-time.

The closest man to Vettel was Ferrari’s Felipe Massa, who made the most of the second session having completed only a few laps in the first.

His pace, just over a 0.1s shy of the BMW test car suggests that Bridgestone is in the hunt once again in Turkey.

Although Michelin may contest that claim after Jenson Button went third fastest for Honda, backed up by test driver Anthony Davidson.

The Schumacher brothers Ralf and Michael were fifth and sixth for Toyota and Ferrari respectively.

Robert Doornbos went seventh quickest in the Red Bull test car, faster than both McLarens of Kimi Raikkonen and Pedro de la Rosa, while Rubens Barrichello was next up, making it three Hondas in the top ten.

Where was Fernando Alonso we here you cry? Well the world champion was a lowly 12th fastest, behind Midland’s Giorgio Mondini, having only run an install lap in the morning.

Not only that, but for the second race in succession the Renault star was embroiled in an on-track dispute with Doornbos.

This time the Dutchman appeared to give the world champion too little room as the Renault and Red Bull clashed wheels through a turn.

Some remonstrating followed on the straight, although it remains unclear whether the stewards will take any action this time around.

Neel Jani and Scott Speed were 13th and 14th in Toro Rossos, ahead of lowly Jarno Trulli and a magnificent effort from Franck Montagny to go 16th in a Super Aguri – surely its highest place this year on merit.

Several top names found themselves scratching around near the bottom of the times as the track proved tricky and lacking in grip all day.

These included Giancarlo Fisichella (17th), Mark Webber (21st), Nico Rosberg (23rd), Nick Heidfeld (27th) and David Coulthard (28th).



Turkish GP free practice session 2 times

1. VETTEL BMW 1m28.091s

2. MASSA Ferrari 1m28.164s

3. BUTTON Honda 1m28.506s

4. DAVIDSON Honda 1m28.598s

5. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m28.614

6. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m28.819s

7. DOORNBOS Red Bull 1m28.848s

8. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m29.042s

9. DE LA ROSA McLaren 1m29.112s

10. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m29.214s

11. MONDINI Midland 1m29.719s

12. ALONSO Renault 1m29.741s

13. JANI Toro Rosso 1m29.858s

14. SPEED Toro Rosso 1m29.890s

15. TRULLI Toyota 1m30.006s

16. MONTAGNY Super Aguri 1m30.491s

17. KUBICA BMW 1m30.502s

18. FISICHELLA Renault 1m30.504s

19. WURZ Williams 1m30.509s

20. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m30.551s

21. WEBBER Williams 1m30.775s

22. KLIEN Red Bull 1m31.889s

23. ROSBERG Williams 1m31.015s

24. SATO Super Aguri 1m31.091s

25. YAMAMOTO Super Aguri 1m31.316s

26. MONTEIRO Midland 1m31.519s

27. HEIDFELD BMW 1m31.526s

28. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m31.540s

29. ALBERS Midland 1m32.102s
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:32 pm

On a more significant note, Expect to hear Kimi Raikkonen finally confirmed as a Ferrar driver at the Italian Grand Prix.
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:11 am

Cornish:

Great news.....

Kimi, Schumi and Ferrari.. Great team !
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
On a more significant note, Expect to hear Kimi Raikkonen finally confirmed as a Ferrar driver at the Italian Grand Prix.

Don't you mean shock announcement  Yeah sure
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 16):
VETTEL BMW 1m28.091s

That was impressive! Man, driving F1 at 19  drool 

Button was fast as well. Maybe some more messages from the Queen? Something for David Hobbs to talk about  laughing 

I'll have to say Speed was pretty fast all things considered. Come on, give him some credit!!!  silly  Wink

I'm suprised Alonso wasn't faster. He has something to prove with the mass dampers banned.

I'm hoping for a safe, enjoyable race!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:32 pm

The 3rd car of the lesser teams always seem to be among the faster, my guess is that the teams test new things that they dont dare to test on
the participants cars in case they break?
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 21):
The 3rd car of the lesser teams always seem to be among the faster, my guess is that the teams test new things that they dont dare to test on
the participants cars in case they break?

Bingo. The engine rules do no apply to the third car. Therefore they can carryout tyre comparisons, set up work etc, while saving valuable mileage on the race cars.
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:15 pm

Great qualification results for both Ferrari and Renault. Tomorrow the start of the race will be great I am sure. I still vote for Schumi.

Qualification:
1- Massa
2- Schumacher
3- (B)alonso
4- Fisichella

By the way I want to add, Kimi was very bad. Another disappointment from McLaren-Mercedes
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 23):
Qualification:
1- Massa
2- Schumacher
3- (B)alonso
4- Fisichella

Yes, with Massa taking pole position, Schumacher is in the targets of Alonso's fast starting Renault. Looks like tomorrow will bet yet another great grandprix. THe last lap of qualifying today was breath taking. I didn't have a clue who would end up on pole. Button looked set to, then Alonso, then Massa, then Fisi, then Kimi. LOL. Unusual to see Schumi make the same mistake twice in a row in qualifying!
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:31 pm

Raikkonen is probably running heavy. Whenever he's been at the pointy end of the grid, without doubt he's been running light.

I'm also wondering how much of a difference the Mass Dampers made to the Renault. Apart from Germany, they weren't exceptionally slow in Hungary and while practice was less then stella, I think they were sandbagging, they seem to be on the money in qualifying.
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:18 am

Some F1 news:

Midland/MF1 going Dutch with Spyker name??

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/31705/

Now all they need is Heineken sponsorship  bigthumbsup 

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 26):

There has been speculation that MF1 has been up for sale ever since Schnaider bought the team from Eddie Jordan. There has also been speculation that the buyer is Eddie Jordan!
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
On a more significant note, Expect to hear Kimi Raikkonen finally confirmed as a Ferrar driver at the Italian Grand Prix.

On an even more signicant role, there is 90% chance that this is Schumacher's farewell season. Sourse is very good. A local journalist from Belgrade (F1 expert is a close friend with Ecclestones).
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:16 pm

WTF happened to kimi? I´m on a long ass tour ATM, so I can´t see the race.
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 29):
WTF happened to kimi? I´m on a long ass tour ATM, so I can´t see the race.

Someone touched him at the beggining, he got a puncture and it damaged his rear wng, went into the pit came out and on turn 8 he flew onto the gravel.

Im using Microsoft MEdia center to watch it on the pc with F1 live timing  Smile

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 30):
Someone touched him at the beggining, he got a puncture and it damaged his rear wng, went into the pit came out and on turn 8 he flew onto the gravel.

Im using Microsoft MEdia center to watch it on the pc with F1 live timing

Sweet, I´ll have to look into that player when I have more time, but back to teh tour!!!!123
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:00 pm

That was easily the best F1 race I have seen in a long, long time. Hungary was good, but it was a day for newcomers in the wet which always creates situations like that. This race was in the dry, with everyone on even terms and no tire shenanigans, and the top 2 in the world championship went toe to toe. First of all, Massa had one of the most dominant drives I've seen all year, he just stormed away and never lost the lead, fantastic first win and it was great to see his emotion in the press conference. Schumacher really lost the race when he went wide in T8 and lost 4 seconds, but my god did he ever give it a good shot at the end with Alonso. It wasn't just the last 16 laps between those two, it was the whole race farther back in the field with cars running 3 wide at various points in the race and continuous passing. I give credit to the TV director for actually showing all the battles instead of focusing on Massa pulling away, it was probably the best directed race I've watched. Also, the track in Istanbul is a classic, it has great passing zones and no real hairpins or chicanes, just fantastic fast sweepers, especially the 5g turn 8. What a race!
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 32):

Schumi lost the race yesterday in Qualifying and also in the pits today when Schumi was stacked behind Massi. GReat drives from everyone and not forgetting to mention Midland boy Albers who had a great weekend until he crashed (I cannot remember if it was him on Monterio that crashed).

Schumi was up to his usual antics at the first corner, and in my view partially caused the first corner accident. Basically Ferrari's fault that Schumi lost the race as they decided to stack them in the pits. If they had been smart, they would have let MAssa do another lap and let him pit the next lap.

MAssa never was that far ahead of Alonso. Yes he could have steamed ahead but he was waiting for Schumi to pass Alonso...and then you can bet Schumi would have been let past.

All in all, and exciting race. OH and how could I forget..... Button finished 4th (yay!)
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 33):
Schumi was up to his usual antics at the first corner, and in my view partially caused the first corner accident. Basically Ferrari's fault that Schumi lost the race as they decided to stack them in the pits. If they had been smart, they would have let MAssa do another lap and let him pit the next lap.

MAssa never was that far ahead of Alonso. Yes he could have steamed ahead but he was waiting for Schumi to pass Alonso...and then you can bet Schumi would have been let past.

Schumacher was well within his bounds in his move at the first corner, he squeezed over to one side and then outbraked alonso on the inside, find a driver who hasn't moved over in a similar fashion at the start! The accident had NOTHING to do with him, Fisichella started it when he spun and chaos insued. I agree that the pit stacking certainly cost Schumacher 2nd if not 1st, but if Massa or Schumacher had done another lap they would have come out at the back of a gaggle of cars following the safety car which hadn't pitted, which would have cost more time than stacking them like they did. Massa was quite far ahead of Alonso, enough so that in the last stint he was able to reduce his lap times by 2-3 seconds a lap, not in the hope that schumacher would get past Alonso so he could pull over, but to preserve his car and keep the win. I guess you're one of the many ferrari cynics out there, but after "austria gate" a few years ago, I honestly think that they would have setteld for MSC in 2nd gaining 2 points on Alonso, and they would have allowed Massa to win, if for no other reason than there would be no way to allow the 2 to switch places subtely, and such acts are illegal (supposedly).
 
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 34):
I guess you're one of the many ferrari cynics out there

Damn right. I just don't agree with any of what Ferrari does. I remember afew years ago, Barrichello had to pull over right before the line and let Schumacher win. It's just not good for the image of Formula One. What was also interesting was if Schumacher had got past Alonso, would ALonso have done anything to spin him off. I doubt not   I just don't agree with Schumacher's decisions. Yes he is a great driver but some of his decisions are poor (Monaco qualifying comes to mind).

I thought with Schumacher overtaking Alonso again, Alonso brakined causing Fisi to brake hence the whole pile up thing.

ALso what about Ferrari's back tyre 'brake cooling aids'. They have caused alot of controversary. Some argue that when you changing the trye during the race or during qualifying, that the part becomes a moveable object....the exactly the same as Renaults mass dampers...

[Edited 2006-08-27 16:53:48]
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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 35):
ALso what about Ferrari's back tyre 'brake cooling aids'.

Yeh did you not know that 3 or 4 teams use these, just ferrari are the only one with balls to develop them further!

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 35):
I thought with Schumacher overtaking Alonso again, Alonso brakined causing Fisi to brake hence the whole pile up thing.

Actually fisi tried to get down the inside of schumi (causing a renualt sndwich) but schumi had to pull across otherwise he'd of taken most of the pack out so good driving by schumi, poor driving by fisi.

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 36):
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 35):
I thought with Schumacher overtaking Alonso again, Alonso brakined causing Fisi to brake hence the whole pile up thing.

Actually fisi tried to get down the inside of schumi (causing a renualt sndwich) but schumi had to pull across otherwise he'd of taken most of the pack out so good driving by schumi, poor driving by fisi.

LOL I should have checked my spelling there. Its terrible! LOL

I must admit Im getting confused thinking about the start. I guess I can't really comment until I see it again.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 36):
Yeh did you not know that 3 or 4 teams use these, just ferrari are the only one with balls to develop them further!

I predict they will be taken away by Monza...  Silly
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 37):
I predict they will be taken away by Monza...

To be honest i doubt it, if alot of teams are implementing them (and there not just the rich teams) then i think the FIA might just let this one go, there not moving parts in anyway aswell (cough renual cough)

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:52 am

What a damn shame the race ended there  Sad

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RE: F1: Turkey GP

Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:57 am

I still can't believe Vettel's only 19!

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 38):
To be honest i doubt it, if alot of teams are implementing them (and there not just the rich teams) then i think the FIA might just let this one go, there not moving parts in anyway aswell (cough renual cough)

That all depends if they are deemed to be aero devices or not. Aero devices must be part of the body work. Ie wheel covers = illegal.
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:51 am

Well,

Best race of the season, although Kimi did not get very far. But it was close racing all the way to the end and Massa really deserved the victory!

What also was very clear is that Midland were up their chasing the big guns. That was fun to see.

I think a lot of this has to do with the layout of Istanbul Park. Great fun!

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:18 am

I have only just seen all the race, I have had to watch it in parts as I simply haven't had the opportunity to watch it all.

Nice win for Massa.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 41):
That all depends if they are deemed to be aero devices or not. Aero devices must be part of the body work. Ie wheel covers = illegal.

Ron Dennis suggested that they may be in breach of Parc Ferme regulations, as when they change wheels, they change parts of the cars that couldn't be changed normally, hinting at brakes.

Quoting Ron Dennis:
“Up and down the pit lane there is some confusion over the fact, and I was told second-hand that their primary purpose is to play an active role in the cooling of the brakes.

“But there is a regulation that says you are not allowed to change any aspect of the car during qualifying.

“Clearly when you are changing wheels you are changing an element of which is relevant to the brakes.”

Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
Best race of the season

Not so sure I'd agree, I think Hungary was better, but perhaps thats just because I've only seen this race in parts over a day.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
I think a lot of this has to do with the layout of Istanbul Park. Great fun!

Indeed - I really do like this circuit, I'd like to go one day. Turkey is a nice place too.

Adam

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Notar520AC (Reply 40):
I still can't believe Vettel's only 19!

Alonso was about 19 when he raced for Minardi in 2001.

What Renault did with Alonso is what McLaren need to do with Hamilton.
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:17 pm

Arrivederci San Marino and Auf Wiedersehen European GP
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5294664.stm

Quote:
Next year's Formula One calendar will have just 17 races after San Marino and the European Grands Prix were dropped from the schedule.
The Belgian Grand Prix returns after being dropped this year, despite there being 19 races.

The programme starts in Australia on 18 March, with the European section opening in Spain on 13 May, and the British Grand Prix being on 8 July.

The 2007 season will finish in Brazil on 21 October.

The loss of the European Grand Prix means only one race will be staged in Germany, with Hockenheim and Nurburgring both vying to host the German Grand Prix.

Similarly, Imola is left without a race after the San Marino race was axed, with Monza hosting the Italian Grand Prix.

Once again, Indianapolis hosts the US Grand Prix, despite the farce in 2005 when only six cars began the race because of fears over tyre safety.

I am glad I got to go to Imola before it was axed!

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:40 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 45):
I am glad I got to go to Imola before it was axed!

Eh, Canada, France, and the Uk have all been "axed" so I'll believe all this when I see it.
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 46):
Eh, Canada, France, and the Uk have all been "axed" so I'll believe all this when I see it.

Its no surprise that Italy and Germany have lost GPs though, seeing as they both have two.

Ecclestone has said before that one of the races from these countries would have to go to make way for new races.

Personally I hope Nurburgring wins the German battle, Hock just isn't the same these days.

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 45):

Why have they axed the San Marino GP and the European GP?

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 48):
Why have they axed the San Marino GP and the European GP?

To make way for new races I expect - thats what Ecclestone has been saying for a few years.

Adam

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