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Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:15 pm

Air America has lost its affiliate in Chattanooga, Tennesse, reports say.

WDOD, Chattanooga's oldest radio station, switched to an oldies format yesterday morning.

The station's programming and operations director said that the Air America format failed to attract adequate advertiser support. He also cited tumult at Air America, which he said might have discouraged advertisers and listeners.

For more information, please see:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_91466.asp

For listener reaction and other responses, please see:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_91346.asp

If the left is truly advancing in this country, and in particular relative to the forthcoming election, then why has Air America lost this affiliate?
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RE: Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Tennesse

The correct spelling of the name of this state is "Tennessee". I apologize for the error.
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RE: Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:33 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
If the left is truly advancing in this country, and in particular relative to the forthcoming election, then why has Air America lost this affiliate?

Um, perhaps because it is in CHATANOOGA? How about you tell us when they lose a city where there actually are left wing people?
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
If the left is truly advancing in this country, and in particular relative to the forthcoming election, then why has Air America lost this affiliate?

Even though Chattanooga is "liberal" compared with other cities in east Tennessee, It's still a pretty conservative city. I was suprised to even see them syndicate it there in the first place.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 3):
Even though Chattanooga is "liberal" compared with other cities in east Tennessee, It's still a pretty conservative city. I was suprised to even see them syndicate it there in the first place.

Not that surprising historically. East Tennessee has historically been more liberal than Middle and West Tennessee. When the Civil War broke out, East Tennessee threw the first seccession vote due to the way political power was distributed statewide. Only after Governor Harris managed to shift the balance of political power to Middle and West Tennessee did the state secede from the Union. The East Tennesseans continued to fight the Confederacy through guerrilla warfare. In Hamilton County, Chattanooga voted by a significant majority to remain in the Union.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Um, perhaps because it is in CHATANOOGA? How about you tell us when they lose a city where there actually are left wing people?

Actually, Chattanooga is a very progressive city for the the southern US. It is one of the leading cities in the environmental movement here in the US, having the largest electric transit coach fleet and industries that are in the forefront of pollution reduction. While race relations are not perfect, they are by far better than in any comparable southern city and have historically been very good most of the time. Obviously you have never been there or known anyone from there.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 4):
Actually, Chattanooga is a very progressive city for the the southern US. It is one of the leading cities in the environmental movement here in the US, having the largest electric transit coach fleet and industries that are in the forefront of pollution reduction. While race relations are not perfect, they are by far better than in any comparable southern city and have historically been very good most of the time. Obviously you have never been there or known anyone from there.

Actually, I have been there and do know people from there. While it may be a progressive city for the Southern US, that is a not saying a whole lot.

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RE: Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:18 pm

I appreciate the kind responses in this thread.

I was intrigued by comments here pertaining to the alleged conservatism of Chattanooga, so I surfed along to some of the Websites available for that city. I was encouraged to note that it did not seem to fit the stereotype that some seem to have of the South. (Indeed, query, whether that stereotype is valid at all, anymore.) The city's official Website, for example, featured a photograph of a diverse collection of young friends at the very top of the first page. (Please see: http://www.chattanooga.gov/.) It seemed well-presented and neatly organized, and the Website, and another, gave me a very positive impression of Chattanooga.

Admittedly, I've never been there, but the indications are promising.

I would question whether liberal or relatively conservative audiences vary considerably, however, given the following concerning Minnesota's experience with Air America. Minnesota is a very liberal city, as I understand it.

Quote:
Air America's listeners are also wealthy, white, middle-aged, and overwhelmingly male. According to a survey conducted earlier this year by the Media Audit, 91 percent of the station's audience is Caucasian, while 83 percent is male. Roughly 70 percent of Air America's listeners are at least 45 years old, and 60 percent have household incomes of greater than $75,000.

Whatever strides Air America has made in developing an audience, the station continues to be hindered by a perception that it's nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. Robert has repeatedly been accused of interfering in editorial content, attempting to force her moderate Democratic views on the station's broadcasters. (Robert's longtime boyfriend is former Rep. Bill Luther, who is currently running for attorney general.) There's also been continuous staff turnover from the very start of the station. There's a feeling that, no matter what the station's initial mission was, it would now do well to simply avoid being the laughingstock of local talk radio.

Source:

http://www.citypages.com/databank/27/1342/article14637.asp.

One may note that City Pages, as far as I can tell, appears to be an "alternative" newspaper, so it should hardly be subject to charges of conservative bias. For example, it runs the fairly explicit sex talk, information, and advice column, "Savage Love":

http://www.citypages.com/databank/27/1342/article14639.asp.

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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
If the left is truly advancing in this country, and in particular relative to the forthcoming election, then why has Air America lost this affiliate?

Air america is not only left, but frequently far-left. Left is not the problem. Nearly half the country is there. But far-left, as in George Soros/Michael Moore far left, is something else.

Look at the current program, taken from the Air America website:

Dr. Justin Frank
The Randi Rhodes Show (2006-06-15)

Randi talks to "Bush on the Couch" author Dr. Justin Frank about the President's manic performance during yesterday's press conference. Listen Here for the full clip!

Mark Crispin Miller
The Randi Rhodes Show (2006-06-07)

Randi talks to Mark Crispin Miller, author of "Fooled Again," about what we can do to make sure the elections aren't stolen again. Listen here for the entire interview!

Bush as a Serial Killer
The Thom Hartmann Program (2006-08-23)

America's leading expert on serial killers describes Bush as a serial killer and psychopath.


I mean, this is some seriously demented stuff! Bush as a psycopath? An Maniac? Stolen elections, 6 years after every possible investigation showed it was clean? C'mon! No wonder average people don't want to listen to that crap.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Um, perhaps because it is in CHATANOOGA? How about you tell us when they lose a city where there actually are left wing people?

They've lost other affiliates in New York City (which they managed to replace) and Philadelphia (which they have not). Hardly Rerpublican strongholds.

Edit: Also, they don't have a single affiliate in the entire state of Kentucky which is a pretty middle-of-the-road state.

http://www.airamerica.com/stations

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RE: Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
C'mon! No wonder average people don't want to listen to that crap.

I am inclined to agree. While I have been no fan of Air America, and quite to the contrary, lately I have come to realize that my moniker for them, "Err America", truly has basis in fact. (The same name has apparently been found, independently, by others of its detractors.)

It is a tragic thing to realize that the meaningless effluent that falls from lips of some of the folks at that benighted network exceeds in the extent of its criticism even the words of our foreign enemies.

I chalk this up to the inexperience and exuberance of some of the young hosts, but it appears that neither its audiences nor I are fooled into thinking that Air America represents much more than a indulgent flight into lefist fantasy, where America is horrible, and the rest of the world ought to teach us the true ways of brotherhood.

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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):

Actually, I have been there and do know people from there. While it may be a progressive city for the Southern US, that is a not saying a whole lot.

Ok...well your knowledge of Chattanooga notwithstanding...it really is a fairly liberal town with college folk as well as a large imported population for the insurance industry which for some reason has made Chatt. a business center.

If you really want to talk about liberal and so-called progressive towns in the deep South you have towns like Savannah, Athens, Anniston, Raleigh, New Orleans and Atlanta that no one is going to call conservative in their political makeup or leadership. The entire country has a 10%swing one way or the other at different times, so to disdainfully dismiss the entire south as one political color is shortsighted.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 9):
If you really want to talk about liberal and so-called progressive towns in the deep South you have towns like Savannah, Athens, Anniston, Raleigh, New Orleans and Atlanta that no one is going to call conservative in their political makeup or leadership. The entire country has a 10%swing one way or the other at different times, so to disdainfully dismiss the entire south as one political color is shortsighted.

Well, other than Florida, it really has been  Wink
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:09 am

I live in East Tennessee and I can tell you that this area is one of the most conservative regions in the USA. West and Middle Tennessee is substantially more liberal than East Tennessee.
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:42 am

TO respond to the above poster....as with many areas in our country the rural areas are significanlty more conservative than the urban areas.

All that said the last mayor, who is now running for Senate was trying to position himself as a conservative when he'd been painted by his rivals as moderate.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 12):
.as with many areas in our country the rural areas are significanlty more conservative than the urban areas.

I actually disagree with that to a point. Those in truly rural areas tend to have a more libertarian, laissez-faire nature about them and see minimal government as the key (why they vote for the current crop of GOPers, I have no idea). I find that the largest concentration of the extreme right tends to be in suburbia, not in rural or urban areas.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Those in truly rural areas tend to have a more libertarian, laissez-faire nature about them and see minimal government as the key (why they vote for the current crop of GOPers, I have no idea). I find that the largest concentration of the extreme right tends to be in suburbia, not in rural or urban areas.

Yeah, well its sort of like my mother. She's a libertarian and thinks she's a democrat. She has never met a tax she liked or a welfare recipient she did not think was dodging work and milking her, but she's convinced she's a democrat. Purely on two issues.

Most rural conservatives believe themselves to be Republican for pragmatic reasons as much as anything else. But let the farm subsidies swing and watch some movement.....
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
Minnesota is a very liberal city, as I understand it.

 Yeah sure

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Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 15):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
Minnesota is a very liberal city, as I understand it.



Well-researched, as ever.

well.....it takes a village......  Wink
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:18 am

...and for every village, there's a village guy-who-thinks-MN-is-a-city. Quite.
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 15):
Well-researched, as ever.  Yeah sure

I was thinking of Minneapolis, obviously, Maury.

However, Minnesota is in fact a liberal state.
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RE: Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:40 am

Irrespective of the percieved opinions that a certain city is conservative vs. liberal, CFalk (Rep 7) and AerospaceFan (Rep 8) pretty much summed up "...why has Air America lost this affiliate?"

It's not just Chatanooga...Air America has had dwindling audiences USA-wide.

If something truely sucks, only the few diehard will support a program by listening. Don't get me wrong; I get put-off by the O'Reillys, Limbaughs and Hannitys sometimes too, however there is mostly some substance behind their (often) rantings that one can relate to. I cannot relate to the blatant indiscrimenate flow of bullshit and (many) lies that AA produces. I thought it MIGHT be an alternative point-of-view program when first introduced, but sadly, it's just crap. Good ridance, I say. Regards...jack
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Well, other than Florida, it really has been

You mean South Florida. North Florida is as deep in the South as you can get.

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Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 19):
I cannot relate to the blatant indiscrimenate flow of bullshit and (many) lies that AA produces.

I would strongly agree with you that Air America is quite off-putting to people who might otherwise want to see what the other side is thinking. The reason is that it is often so strident as to be unlistenable, in my view.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
While it may be a progressive city for the Southern US, that is a not saying a whole lot.

So says someone living in the wonderful liberal oasis of race relations, urban planning, and progressive thought leadership of New Orleans. If you dislike the South as much as your various posts throughout this site say then why don't you just leave? You have some good opinions and ideas but your disdain for the folks around you really does get old.

I was surprised that Air America had an affliate in Chattanooga. I'm even more surprised given the huge outcrop of liberals in Atlanta they aren't on a station that can broadcast farther than a half mile.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Air America Loses Chattanooga Affiliate

I thought this was going to be about an "air system" in Laos. My mistake.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 11):
I live in East Tennessee and I can tell you that this area is one of the most conservative regions in the USA. West and Middle Tennessee is substantially more liberal than East Tennessee.

Perhaps in the last few generations but not historically. This is probably due to the change in demographics in Middle and Western Tennessee, specifically with the influx of industry and the greater opportunities for higher education.

Chattanooga has always been somewhat more liberal than other comparable cities due to the role that industrial development played in the mid-19th and 20th centuries. Most of the capital investment and leadership came from the North and abroad. That same effect carried over into the service industries that now dominate the city's economy. My parents lived there for nearly thirty years and I grew up there, seeing Chattanooga eclipse major metropolitan areas with it's reaction to problems related to industry and the environment.

That said, I will agree that while Chattanooga is liberal, it is by no means ultra liberal.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:29 pm

Oh wow... Now Air America is down to only 43 listeners???? What is happening to democracy????

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Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:06 am

Progressive Talk radio is still a new format. The leaders aren't Air America has Bill O'Reilly would claim but actually Jones Radio Network who syndicates programs as Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller. If the format isn't working why is Clear Channel are flipping stations that have zero ratings to progressive at the rate of about one a week. Because they are getting ratings and making money. Lets face it Clear Channel is about money, they will put anything on the radio that makes them some $$$. The bottom line talk radio is about entertainment..
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 26):
The bottom line talk radio is about entertainment..

While I agree with your statement I have to say what I have heard on Air America was far from entertaining and actually quite bad.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Coal (Reply 20):
You mean South Florida. North Florida is as deep in the South as you can get.

Yeah, I should have been more clear about that. Still, it is a single state

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
You have some good opinions and ideas but your disdain for the folks around you really does get old.

My disdain for certain people extends far beyond the South. Most people know my opinions of Texas, but I find San Antonio and Austin to be fine places. Most know my love for California, but I have more than a few barbs to hurl at my own home town

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
If you dislike the South as much as your various posts throughout this site say then why don't you just leave?

I am here for another year, though I really do like where I live. Still, one of the reasons I like being here is that I like a challenge.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:35 pm

Don't know about Florida but there are plenty of fine folks in western North Carolina, northern Georgia and northern Alabama. Texas is hit or miss depending on where you are. Southeastern part of the state seemed to be the worst to me though El Paso doesn't seem to be much to speak of either from a visitor's viewpoint. Arizona's ok but I have a few bones to pick with the political leadership (or lack thereof) concerning certain issues.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:43 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 26):
The leaders aren't Air America has Bill O'Reilly would claim but actually Jones Radio Network who syndicates programs as Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller.

Speaking of Miller, I used to find her funny when she was on one of the local stations here in Los Angeles. I don't remember if she was syndicated then or not. But I think her show's become more political now, and less funny. It's too bad, because she seems to be a very talented humorist.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
My disdain for certain people extends far beyond the South. Most people know my opinions of Texas, but I find San Antonio and Austin to be fine places. Most know my love for California, but I have more than a few barbs to hurl at my own home town

At least you can turn the light on your native California. That's a start.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
I am here for another year, though I really do like where I live. Still, one of the reasons I like being here is that I like a challenge.

We do put up a pretty good fight don't we? I really do want to be there for your first day of court and see you piss off the judge though.  Wink
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:15 am

Chatty liberal radio didn't play well in Biscuitville...now there's a shocker.

The format that really works well down there is the call-in show, where you can dial in from your car (on the way home from your kid's "Heritage Academy" soccer practice, on the way to your Ann Coulter Book Club meeting) and find the nearest WalMart with a Krispy Kreme in the parking lot. Sure it's specialized, but the ratings are off the chart.

I made that up. Sorry to disappoint anyone who was Googling "WalMart donut radio station" (and you know who you are!)
 
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 31):
I really do want to be there for your first day of court and see you piss off the judge though.

Sorry, you missed it. The judge thought I was great. I am not so sure about the prosecutor.
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
Sorry, you missed it. The judge thought I was great. I am not so sure about the prosecutor.

Oh well. Congrats on that though I'm sure you'll piss off a Southern judge soon enough and get tossed in the cooler for contempt. Good luck though.  Wink

Quoting Maury (Reply 32):
The format that really works well down there is the call-in show, where you can dial in from your car (on the way home from your kid's "Heritage Academy" soccer practice, on the way to your Ann Coulter Book Club meeting) and find the nearest WalMart with a Krispy Kreme in the parking lot. Sure it's specialized, but the ratings are off the chart.

Right...and that is completely unlike so many of the conservative call in shows that exist across the nation. The format isn't exclusive to the South and you know it.
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:37 am

Goodness, DeltaGator!

Quoting Maury (Reply 32):
I made that up.

I...made...it...up...there's no call-in show to help you find the Nirvana of WalMart-with-HotDonutsNow in the parkin' lot! Not in the east...not in the west...not in the nawth...and not in your beloved South.

Although I had an idea that if I said "Biscuitville" it might get some attention.

And again, Air America not doing well in the Land o' Lard is as shocking as finding out that the Bush exit policy in Iraq is "up to the next guy." In other words: not shocking.
 
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 35):
And again, Air America not doing well in the Land o' Lard is as shocking as finding out that the Bush exit policy in Iraq is "up to the next guy." In other words: not shocking.

I fail to see why characterizing any region so negatively is helpful to an understanding of this matter.
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 36):
I fail to see why characterizing any region so negatively is helpful to an understanding of this matter.

You forgot to add the morally-superior "sniff."
 
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Quoting Maury (Reply 37):
You forgot to add the morally-superior "sniff."

It's probably because I've had my antihistamines today.

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