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Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:57 pm

The pilots must have not expected at all to be downed by a handheld rocket launcher:

http://www.vcoderz.com/web/files/spe...l-files/videos/hizb_helicopter.wmv

Which kind of launcher can hit a chopper as far as this..

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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:02 pm

There are a lot of them. Have a look at a few:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANPADS
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:04 pm

That looks like a MIL or a Puma. That is not a blackhawk, Huey or Sea Stallion.

Looks like an SA-7.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:10 pm

That video has been doing the rounds for a while, I don't think it originates from the Hizbullah or the recent conflict in the Lebanon. I agree with Miamiair, the first helo looks remarkably like a Mil Mi-8 or perhaps a Mi-17.

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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:43 pm

That is a old one and it can not be related to any current conflict.

I think on www.metacafe.com there is the same.


Must be Afganistan or Tschetnia.

It is for sure not the current conflict in Lebanon!!
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting Kay (Thread starter):
Which kind of launcher can hit a chopper as far as this..

Well the one you're thinking of was the victim of an ATGM, see mil-av.


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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:18 pm

Ouch that had to hurt  Sad
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:11 am

That is an old video out of Afghanistan when the crazies were fighting with the Russians...with American equipment.

Makes me sick.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 7):
That is an old video out of Afghanistan when the crazies were fighting with the Russians

So you're saying the Afgan people shouldn't have resisted the Russian invasion?!

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 7):
Makes me sick.

Weird!
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 7):
That is an old video out of Afghanistan when the crazies were fighting with the Russians

So you're saying the Afgan people shouldn't have resisted the Russian invasion?!

Not at all, simply refering to them as "crazies" because that is where Bin Laden and his band of merry followers first appeared. I am not commenting on the Afgan people as a whole.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 7):
Makes me sick.

Weird!

It's not weird, the previously mentioned crazies were using American equipment, given what they have "evolved" into and the current state of affairs, the whole situation makes me sick. What is weird about that?
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:29 am

Looks very green with lot of threes, I guess its from Chechenya?
Could it be a stinger?
Saw claims that it was a stinger from 2002 that brought down a Mil-24 Hind.

[Edited 2006-08-24 17:36:53]
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):

So you're saying the Afgan people shouldn't have resisted the Russian invasion?!

Russian invasion? You're CRAZY! Its the Americans that invaded, Russia was helping and making it a better country, it is the US that screws the world up always!
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 11):
Russian invasion? You're CRAZY! Its the Americans that invaded, Russia was helping and making it a better country, it is the US that screws the world up always!

You should read some history books before saying stuff like this. Or google it I should say.

I don't think you were alive when the Russians invaded Afganistan. Read about it then contibute to the thread.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:42 am

It's a Mi-24, and it's from Chechnya.
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 12):
Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 11):
Russian invasion? You're CRAZY! Its the Americans that invaded, Russia was helping and making it a better country, it is the US that screws the world up always!

You should read some history books before saying stuff like this. Or google it I should say.

I don't think you were alive when the Russians invaded Afganistan. Read about it then contibute to the thread.

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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:16 am

Wait wait wait wait.


We need to analyze the source of the Video.
Only a minority of Iranian speak arabic (or that's what I thought?). So, 1) does the average Iranian soldier speak in arabic or persian? 2) isn't the land too green?

And I thought arabic isn't Afghanistan's language as well!!!

Chechneyia? hmm seems to be a better route.

I can't see this happening in Iraq because it's not a desert, and probably because the heli seems a Russian model from what you guys are saying.


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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:48 am

This soldier doesn't speak Lebanese dialect !
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:09 am

this isn't for sure the israeli helicpter that was shot down on august 12. the helicopter that was shot down was a sikorsky and it was during night time and not day time.
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:21 am

IT makes me sick here the guys shout for joy when they hit it. Was there any chance that the pilots and the rest of the crew survived?
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
So you're saying the Afgan people shouldn't have resisted the Russian invasion?!



Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 11):
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):

So you're saying the Afgan people shouldn't have resisted the Russian invasion?!

Russian invasion? You're CRAZY! Its the Americans that invaded, Russia was helping and making it a better country, it is the US that screws the world up always!



that might sound ironic but I personally think Afghanistan would have been closer to civilization by now had the soviets taken over. The world would be better if neither existed but communism is more advanced than islamism by a "long shot"

lol@ "allaha akbar" "allahah akbar" cause they down a chopper... loonies.
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
that might sound ironic but I personally think Afghanistan would have been closer to civilization by now had the soviets taken over. The world would be better if neither existed but communism is more advanced than islamism by a "long shot"

On the list of A.Net, most 10 ignorant, you have to be in the top 5... communism is more advancd than Islamism? Go visit Dubai, Doha, Amman, Beirut, Cairo, Casablanca, Alexandria, or any of countless Arab cities then say that.

See:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1228316
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 20):
communism is more advancd than Islamism? Go visit Dubai, Doha, Amman, Beirut, Cairo, Casablanca, Alexandria, or any of countless Arab cities then say that

Yeah those are real awesome examples of Islamism.  Yeah sure Cut the crap you know exactly what he meant.


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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 20):
On the list of A.Net, most 10 ignorant, you have to be in the top 5...

The feeling is mutual, although I don't "hate you" or will try to insult you personally..

Yes your examples are great, and Dubai and the others are very modern cities, now if something I read on another thread is correct, I just learned in the UAE the govt. blocks certain websites they don't want you to see, is this true? I like people, I don't care where they're from. I met a Jordanian girl downtown last night, who was really nice, a lot nicer than her two , snobby Asian-American friends she was with with fake boobs and probably lips, one who claimed she was raised in DC, the other that her "boyfriend" was in Vegas...

Even the communists allow more freedom to practice personal beliefs (something fundamental for many). The gender issue is another one. Islamic societies still have some laws straight out of the middle ages. Of course I know you know this, but I'm just refreshing your mind. Still love to hear your excuses, so no I don't hate you QR  Smile
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 21):
Yeah those are real awesome examples of Islamism. Yeah sure Cut the crap you know exactly what he meant.

They are all cities in countries that have a very large Muslim majority, and to say that communism is more advanced than islamism is just absurd. Afghasistan was not an example of a proper Islamic society, not even Saudi Arabia is that insane...

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
The feeling is mutual, although I don't "hate you" or will try to insult you personally..

Really? How many Arab countries have you visited? I've actually been to the West many times, including the United States, Canada, and Europe. Tell me, what ignorance am I displaying? You, on the other hand, seem to think that Afghanistan was based on proper Islamic values, a complete misconception.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
Yes your examples are great, and Dubai and the others are very modern cities, now if something I read on another thread is correct, I just learned in the UAE the govt. blocks certain websites they don't want you to see, is this true? I like people, I don't care where they're from. I met a Jordanian girl downtown last night, who was really nice, a lot nicer than her two , snobby Asian-American friends she was with with fake boobs and probably lips, one who claimed she was raised in DC, the other that her "boyfriend" was in Vegas...

Yes, the UAE government does block certain website - as far as I know, none are political, the websites they block are all pornographic because under the laws of the UAE pornography is illegal. The same applies in many Gulf countries.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
Even the communists allow more freedom to practice personal beliefs (something fundamental for many). The gender issue is another one. Islamic societies still have some laws straight out of the middle ages. Of course I know you know this, but I'm just refreshing your mind. Still love to hear your excuses, so no I don't hate you QR

Only one Islamic society is based on laws that belong in the middle ages, and that is Saudi Arabia. In almost all Muslim-majority areas, the governments of Muslim states allows non-Muslims to freely practice, even if some extremists try to stop this. I live in Qatar, for example, and there are three or four churches there - nobody harasses non-Muslims for practicing their relgion. In Jordan, you can hear the church bells and call to prayer at the same time, as is the case in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria - the only countries, IMO, that have a real problem with allowing others to practice their faith freely are Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I never said I hated you, Miami, but what I hate is how you generalize about Islam so freely - extremists do not represent the majority, and just because some idiots have taken our religion and interpreted it to suit their needs does not mean that all Muslims are like that.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 11):
Russian invasion? You're CRAZY! Its the Americans that invaded, Russia was helping and making it a better country, it is the US that screws the world up always!

Can we have Clueless Dumbass Remark of the Year for $1000 please.

Russia didn't invade Afghanistan, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.

And we all know how well the former Soviet States fared under THAT rule don't we. . . .
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:21 am

That video made me sick. Regardless of who your enemy is, no one should take joy or praise god after killing another human.

[Edited 2006-08-25 04:24:45]
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 18):
IT makes me sick here the guys shout for joy when they hit it.

It is a tenet of their religion.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
Russia didn't invade Afghanistan, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.

True but they where used interchangably....in Soviet times to be called a russian was considered a derogotory term.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:15 pm

Tried to look at it a bit closer.

I think that first flight of 3 where MI-8/17's and the one that get nailed was an Hind.

But I have to give the Hind driver credit, it does look like he is setting up for a autorotation.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 7):
That is an old video out of Afghanistan when the crazies were fighting with the Russians...

Seriously...can you believe that they have the audacity to defend their own country from invasion?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
It is a tenet of their religion.

You're clearly very well versed in Islam.
 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 28):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
It is a tenet of their religion.

You're clearly very well versed in Islam.

It's not islam.....it's a bastardized version of it.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
True but they where used interchangably....in Soviet times to be called a russian was considered a derogotory term.

You missed the point and context of my post my friend.

No doubt what you say is true . . .

But please read the post to which I referred and you'll understand . . .  biggrin 
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
It is a tenet of their religion.

News to me... guess when I was learning about my religion somebody forgot to tell me that part.
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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
Can we have Clueless Duimmbass Remark of the e Year for $1000 please.

With all due respect since you're a war vet (even though you didn't have any for your fellow a.netter) he was being sarcastic but he makes a valid point. In the US' quest to negate the Soviets any advance we helped an enemy that is even more evil and now turned on us and wants to destroy us (of course you know this) and doesn't even understand diplomacy. Let's look at a map of Asia for a second. Out of the ex Soviet republics, have any of them become another Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran? No, not even Chechnya. in fact you have Georgia which is a democracy, where Americans are welcome with open arms.

As for QR, your seeing your great "Islamic societies" shallow riches that are based in oil wealth in most cases, and don't even represent the status of the whole population either. Islam is not more advanced than communism if you consider how women are secondary citizens. At least admit the communists have a leg up on that one. In fact while I hate communism, many of the ideas look great on paper (can't say the same about Islam), theory and reality are another thing however.

Let's scroll down to the last post here, since Qatar is your example and you live there: UK Flyers Do Own Profiling-get Some Pax Off Flight (by LTBEWR Aug 20 2006 in Civil Aviation)

You didn't want to mention gender discrimination, and the thread was locked so you didn't get your chance to give your spin on this one:

"I visited Qatar in April as part of a Government delegation representing a foreign state. Our delegation included two women. During our official discussions with our Qatari counterparts, the women were not only not permitted to address the Qatari men directly - but they were also segregated from the men at the evening banquets. So maybe they were not forced to wear a veil such as they would have been in Saudi Arabia, but they were definitely subjected to discrimination due to their gender"

Quoting QR332 (Reply 31):
News to me... guess when I was learning about my religion somebody forgot to tell me that part.



Quoting QR332 (Reply 23):
I never said I hated you, Miami, but what I hate is how you generalize about Islam so freely - extremists do not represent the majority, and just because some idiots have taken our religion and interpreted it to suit their needs does not mean that all Muslims are like that.

I haven't said they represent the majority, I just said to me some Islamic customs/laws do not seem too advanced nor benefit everyone equally, I'm just being honest. Anyways why would you keep giving excuses for an idiology you don't even believe in yourself, as you said in another thread..

"I'm not an Islamist, hell, i'm not even religious"


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RE: Hizbullah Downing An Israeli Chopper Video

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting QR332 (Reply 31):
News to me... guess when I was learning about my religion somebody forgot to tell me that part.

See my follow up response in reply #30.

Those guys in the video, I hope wheren't practicing the same religion you are.
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