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Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:51 pm

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A police officer has been convicted of dangerous driving for reaching speeds of up to 159mph in an unmarked police car.
But Pc Mark Milton, of Telford, Shropshire, was given an absolute discharge after he was told by District Judge Peter Wallis that he had suffered enough with two-and-a-half years of court proceedings.
Milton was convicted at Ludlow Magistrates' Court following a second trial after he was acquitted of the same offence last year.
The High Court overturned his acquittal earlier this year and ordered a re-trial.
Outside court, Andy White, chairman of the West Mercia Police Federation, said an appeal against the conviction had already been lodged.
"We have heard what the judge had to say and on behalf of Mark Milton we have lodged an appeal which is now in process,'' he said.
He said that, due to the conviction, Milton would be subject to a disciplinary hearing with the force but that would more than likely not take place until after the appeal.
He said Milton would not face automatic dismissal from his post as a traffic officer.
Milton, who had attended court in a black suit and dark purple shirt, refused to answer journalists' questions as he left with his wife, Nicola.
His solicitor, David Twigg, said the appeal would challenge the judge's view that Milton's advance driving skills were irrelevant to the charge.
He said Milton's driving was entirely in accordance with the training he had been given.
He said his client was disappointed with the outcome and looked forward to the appeal, which will be heard at Shrewsbury Crown Court.
During the trial, footage taken from the video camera fitted to a West Mercia Police Vauxhall Vectra was shown.
Milton was seen to be regularly travelling at more than 100mph on A-roads and up to 159mph on the M54 during the early hours of December 5, 2003.
Passing sentence, Mr Wallis told Milton: "Your driving falls far beneath the standards expected of a careful and competent driver. In all circumstances I am satisfied to the criminal standard of proof that you are guilty of dangerous driving.''

What a waste of tax payers money. This guy had already been found not guilty in a previous trial. He has been the victim of a witch hunt
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
He has been the victim of a witch hunt

Hardly.

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Milton was seen to be regularly travelling at more than 100mph on A-roads and up to 159mph on the M54 during the early hours of December 5, 2003.

Seems he was unnecessarily driving with excessive speed. I could see being not guilty if he was in pursuit or someone, but if he's doing it just for the heck of it, he was speeding.

Being an LEO does not give you the right to break the law when you feel like it.
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:01 pm

I expect it was ANCFlyer in his electric bath chair, chasing the polar bear.
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
I expect it was ANCFlyer in his electric bath chair, chasing the polar bear.

or more likely it was ANCflyer in his electric bath chair being chased by the polar bear  Wink
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 1):
Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
He has been the victim of a witch hunt

Hardly.

If he wasn't a victim of a witch hunt then he wouldn't have had to endure almost 3 years of this.

Quoting MattRB (Reply 1):
he was unnecessarily driving with excessive speed

I don't call familiarising himself with a new car unnecessary.
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:07 pm

Why should he get away with speeding if any of the public doesn't, just because he was a police officer, it's a bit like that footballer the other night who elbowed the other footballer and knocked him out, just because he is a footballer doesn't mean he shouldn't be arrested and charged with assault.

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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 5):
it's a bit like that footballer the other night who elbowed the other footballer and knocked him out, just because he is a footballer doesn't mean he shouldn't be arrested and charged with assault.

It's nothing like it. The police officer caused harm to no-one
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
I expect it was ANCFlyer in his electric bath chair, chasing the polar bear.



Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
or more likely it was ANCflyer in his electric bath chair being chased by the polar bear

 rotfl 

. . . .

I find no reason for cruising along at 159mph . . . test driving or otherwise . . . on an open highway.

If memory serves, he stated that he was 'testing the performance of his vehicle'. So AirbusA346 it's not as if he was simply speeding for the sake of speeding . . . I don't believe that, but that's his story and he's sticking to it.
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 6):
The police officer caused harm to no-one

But the next time he goes out and is 'test driving a new car' he could do someone some harm.

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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:19 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 8):
But the next time he goes out and is 'test driving a new car' he could do someone some harm.

Isn't that why these people train and practice to extremely high standards? In order to minimise that highly unlikely possibility?
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:19 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 4):
I don't call familiarising himself with a new car unnecessary.

 redflag 

BS excuse because he got caught. He wants to familiarize himself with a new car, do the police over there not having proving grounds for that sort of thing? Do it there, not on public roads where you're at risk of endangering the public.
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:21 pm

Incidentally, if i remember rightly, didn't we have a long debate on this here in Non.av, when he was originally up in court.....?
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 10):
not on public roads where you're at risk of endangering the public.

It's not like it was in rush hour. If I recall correctly it was in the early hours of the morning. A proving track cannot replicate conditions on the roads
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 6):
It's nothing like it. The police officer caused harm to no-one

I bet 99% of people caught speeding were "causing harm to no-one", yet they still get fined and lose their license etc. Perhaps all of those people were simply "testing the cars performance". I doubt any of them got off with it.

If he needs to test the cars performance then he should be on a police training circuit or a race track. A public motorway is not the place to do it.

He got off lightly not to have lost his license IMHO, which would be a fair punishment for his actions.
 
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
Incidentally, if i remember rightly, didn't we have a long debate on this here in Non.av, when he was originally up in court.....?

Yep. I was in the minority of one then too
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
Incidentally, if i remember rightly, didn't we have a long debate on this here in Non.av, when he was originally up in court.....?

Quite right . . . here you go.
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I still find no need for 159mph on a public highway . . . .
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 12):
It's not like it was in rush hour. If I recall correctly it was in the early hours of the morning. A proving track cannot replicate conditions on the roads

Well, hey, I just did an overhaul on my car and want to test it out. I go out on the 401 at 3AM in the morning when there is little traffic to 'familiarize' myself. I hit speeds of 159mph while doing so (well in excess of the 65mph limit). I get caught.

I broke the law. Should I get off as well just because I was 'familiarizing' myself with the new performance of my car?

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
If he needs to test the cars performance then he should be on a police training circuit or a race track. A public motorway is not the place to do it.

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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 16):
I hit speeds of 159mph while doing so (well in excess of the 65mph limit). I get caught.

I broke the law. Should I get off as well just because I was 'familiarizing' myself with the new performance of my car

As your profession is not high speed pursuit driving, yes
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 17):
As your profession is not high speed pursuit driving, yes

I thought we were talking about a police officer, not a NASCAR driver. A NASCAR driver's profession is high speed pursuit (in circles, turning left for hours on end). The LEO's profession is to uphold the law. He didn't & was caught. The high speed pursuit is only one aspect of his profession, not the all-encompassing factor.

The officer in question had absolutely no business driving his car that fast on a public road, outside of a pursuit.

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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 16):
Well, hey, I just did an overhaul on my car and want to test it out. I go out on the 401 at 3AM in the morning when there is little traffic to 'familiarize' myself. I hit speeds of 159mph while doing so (well in excess of the 65mph limit). I get caught.

A slightly better way of putting it: you do 60 in a 30 zone to familiarise yourself with the car ready for hitting the motorway. Do you get away with it? Very doubtful.

In any case an unmarked police car should NEVER be used for high speed persuits IMHO. Marked only with lights flashing to alert other drivers only...
 
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RE: Police Officer Convicted Of Speeding

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:23 pm

What if going that 159, he hit a car going a normal speed? He and the the people in that other vehicle would be killed. Sure, the car can go 159 mph, but if something goes wrong, they are not built to take an accident above 50 mph without a 99.9% chance of killing people. Even when doing 60 in a 30, that also could have been a horrible accident as well. To me, someone who does this is like a drunk driver and should face 30 days in a medium security prision, lose their license for years and pay a fine of thousands of pounds/dollars/euros.

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