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Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:51 am

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/8166332p-8058999c.html

For those folks who like to bash the NRA and similar groups, have a look at this article. It concerns the Alaskan village of Hooper Bay, located on the Bering Sea where about a month ago much of the small village was destroyed in a devastating fire. Thier grocery store, both schools the teacher housing and 15 or so family homes.
This being rural Alaska and subsistence activities critical to life the "Friends of the NRA", Safari club and other hunting groups have donated a shotgun and rifle each along with camping gear so families effected by the fire can still go hunting and gathering.
Your thoughts on this? Is it alright for guns to be handed out like this? Are these groups as bad as some make them out to be?
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:15 am

I'm no fan of the NRA, and I predict this thread will rapidly disintegrate into the same old right wing gun nut/left wing pinko commie shouting fest it always does, so I'll get my post in early. In this case, there could have been no more appropriate action than giving these people the tools they need to continue their lives. I'm guess that that housing is being addressed through other sources, so now they have the tools to feed themselves. Shelter and food, the two most basic needs of man.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
I predict this thread will rapidly disintegrate into the same old right wing gun nut/left wing pinko commie shouting fest it always does

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In most cases, donating weapons to fire victims would be senseless, if not insulting. They'd need other things more than guns.

However, even I would probably want to own a gun in rural Alaska. I've never been there, but regardless of that, wildlife can be as dangerous as it can be amazing. In this case, it's also a source of food that wouldn't really be available without guns - bow and arrow are a bit old school - so the donations:

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
"Friends of the NRA", Safari club and other hunting groups have donated a shotgun and rifle each along with camping gear

apparently do what they're supposed to do: help people. Fine action by the donators.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:45 am

Guns dont kill people, the laws of physics kill people.

I think this is a very apt move, members of a group donating the resources they can - it would be pointless for members of the NRA to donate plumbers, lumberjacks etc for housing.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
However, even I would probably want to own a gun in rural Alaska. I've never been there, but regardless of that, wildlife can be as dangerous as it can be amazing.

While a valid reason on its own, it goes far beyond self-protection. As Bushpilot noted, most of these people are subsistance hunters, which means a good portion of their diet is dependent on what they themselves catch. Providing them guns would be similar to replacing stolen tools to a carpentar, its what they need to be able to provide for themselves and their families.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 4):
While a valid reason on its own, it goes far beyond self-protection.

Err... yes, I do agree with that...  Wink

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
In this case, it's also a source of food that wouldn't really be available without guns
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 4):
While a valid reason on its own, it goes far beyond self-protection.

Good point, although it is wise to carry a weapon in the woods and tundra of AK, it is more fo hunting than protection. That being said, the local cops in my town shot a bear monday night after it was catching spawning salmon in a creek and eating them in the middle of our bike path.
The real need for these folks is those tools lost in the fire. It devastated half the village, bunches of houses, but also huge amounts of the infastructure, there has been a great outpouring of charity for the residents of Hooper Bay from all over Alaska. Plus right now is such a critical time of the year for subsistence. The salmon run is dropping off quickly, moose hunting season closes in a week, the berries will sour soon as well. As a resident of rural Alaska I can testify that it will be a long hungry winter if your fish burned up, you cant hunt, and you have no place to freeze berries.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
s a resident of rural Alaska I can testify that it will be a long hungry winter if your fish burned up, you cant hunt, and you have no place to freeze berries.

I'd totally forgotten about stores that had already been put and and were lost. I'm guessing these folks will need support all through the winter.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):

Err... yes, I do agree with that... Wink

Ok, ya got me, I was reading too fast. Big grin
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
The real need for these folks is those tools lost in the fire.

That is exactly what these weapons are....Tools.

Everybody needs to remember that this is a remote village, several hundred miles from the road system.

You either hunt, or you pay 39 cents per pound to have your relatives mail in grocieries.

I hope everybody keeps that persepective in mind when they comment on this thread.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:29 am

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
In this case, there could have been no more appropriate action than giving these people the tools they need to continue their lives. I'm guess that that housing is being addressed through other sources, so now they have the tools to feed themselves. Shelter and food, the two

I will second this, hopefully this was in good faith by the NRA and not to be used for a massive PR effort.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
In most cases, donating weapons to fire victims would be senseless, if not insulting. They'd need other things more than guns.

However, even I would probably want to own a gun in rural Alaska. I've never been there, but regardless of that, wildlife can be as dangerous as it can be amazing. In this case, it's also a source of food that wouldn't really be available without guns - bow and arrow are a bit old school - so the donations apparently do what they're supposed to do: help people. Fine action by the donators.

 checkmark  In many parts of the country this would be a stupid action on the part of the NRA. Not in rural Alaska.

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
hopefully this was in good faith by the NRA and not to be used for a massive PR effort.

Although I am a resident of rural Alaska and have given a fair amount of money locally for the relief efforts up in Hooper Bay, I am a gun owner and practice subsistence vigilantly I dont want to see the NRA do this for thier own benefit, and such. Though as much as the folks up there need it, I think they would rather not be exploited over it, it is a difficult enough time already for them. I know some real ultra christian groups showed up with freezers to store food, which is fine and dandy, but that money comes from donations and these "christian" groups often take half or more for thier "administrative" duties. So Falwell can drive a caddy, fly first class and such.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 12):
dont want to see the NRA do this for thier own benefit, and such.

Do you actually think that anybody but the Daily Worker or the NRA's own Rifleman magazine is going to pick up this story, much less play it in a positive light?
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
Do you actually think that anybody but the Daily Worker or the NRA's own Rifleman magazine is going to pick up this story

You would be surpised. Story like this could very well end up in the New York/Los Angeles Times. Expect it will appear in the Seattle Times tomorrow or over the weekend.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Your thoughts on this? Is it alright for guns to be handed out like this?

Good idea and yes it is alright to hand out guns. Especially in a village like this. That kind of remoteness. It’s not like the inhabitants are going to go around capping each other.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):

Thank you for the link. Was headed there to find out exactly how remote this village is.

BTW - Hooper is that remote? Off the road system? Any air service?
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
Do you actually think that anybody but the Daily Worker or the NRA's own Rifleman magazine is going to pick up this story, much less play it in a positive light?

I expect the motives of the local folks were pure, after all, this is what Alaskans do when there is a tragedy. But this is exactly the type of propoganda the national org needs right now. A way to show guns as not only a right, but a necessity, and they (usurping the local chapter's role) as the good guys that ensure Americans have them. I know that sounds cynical, but there are few organizations that are as politically and PR savvy as the NRA

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 15):
BTW - Hooper is that remote? Off the road system? Any air service?

Almost every Alaska village has some sort of air service, even if its air-taxi, but conversly, 95% or more have no road service. Hooper Bay may get a couple of barges in the summer as well.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 15):
BTW - Hooper is that remote? Off the road system? Any air service?

I can't remember if we took our metro's into there or not... but it is on the Bering Sea coast so that would make it about an hour and forty five minutes flight time from Anchorage and the road system.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:45 pm

You can never have too many guns. If a government doesn't trust people with guns there must be something wrong with that government. Before you try to argue I am one of those right wing, FFL holding gun nuts. I will never change my mind... NRA life member.

Not everywhere is the same. Some places a gun is needed more than others. If I was out in the woods I would want my fishing pole, my 30-06 deer rifle, my axe, matches, and a sharp knife. With that stuff I could get by just fine.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:59 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
Some places a gun is needed more than others. If I was out in the woods

What would you want in a big city with high crime?



Speaking of which, when my brother-in-law my a cop in Houston, he carried 3 (yes, count 'em, THREE) firearms while on duty. Thankfully, he never had to discharge them while at work.

Anyone have crime states for Hooper handy?
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 19):
Anyone have crime states for Hooper handy?

Off hand no....but if I remember correctly Hooper Bay is the only city in the United States where the city cops are prohibited from packing.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 19):
Anyone have crime states for Hooper handy?

I dont have any hard stats, but I am pretty sure Hooper Bay is a dry village meaning no alcohol is allowed. But they have high rates of alcohol related crimes, domestic violence, sexual assault, etc. Being a village of 1100 people doesnt mean someone is raped every day or anything, but the numbers are ugly when compared to larger cities as in X crime per 100,000 people.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
but if I remember correctly Hooper Bay is the only city in the United States where the city cops are prohibited from packing

I have heard this as well. There are only two officers IIRC, At the same time, many rural Alaskan villages only rely on a single VPSO Village Public Safety Officers. They have arrest powers, but are not armed, if they need backup they have to call the state troopers from a hub location and wait until they can fly in. Sometimes with weather, it could be several days.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 19):
What would you want in a big city with high crime?

A big gun! I have a concealed pistol license and I carry a variety of guns depending on the occasion. Some of my favorites are a Walther P-38, A Soviet Nagant revolver, and a gold ole' 1911A1 45. My everyday gun is a CZ-70. I have several others pistols too, but they are a bit too large to conceal

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This me and some of my buddies out in the woods. I am the one second from left, with the SKS.

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Your thoughts on this? Is it alright for guns to be handed out like this? Are these groups as bad as some make them out to be?

Sounds like a good idea to me.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 22):
This me and some of my buddies out in the woods. I am the one second from left, with the SKS.

An unholstered Glock in a waistband?

Someone is asking to shoot off a nut.

BTW: You appear to be violating rule #2 of gun safety there.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 24):
An unholstered Glock in a waistband?

Someone is asking to shoot off a nut.

Actually it is a Sig, but that is not me. That is my buddy Alex and oddly enough he is a cop! I have an unloaded black powder 44 in my pants, my 357 is in a holster as is my 45, which you can't see in the photo.

BTW, what is rule #2? If it is not point guns at the photographer I am way ahead of you. I used the timer on my camera and it was sitting on the bed of the truck.

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 24):
An unholstered Glock in a waistband?

Someone is asking to shoot off a nut.

It's kind of hard to shoot a nut off if no round has been chambered to begin with.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 26):
It's kind of hard to shoot a nut off if no round has been chambered to begin with.

RUle #1 of Gun Safety:

All guns are always loaded.

Would you like to bet one of your nuts, there's not a round chambered?
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):

RUle #1 of Gun Safety:

All guns are always loaded.

Would you like to bet one of your nuts, there's not a round chambered?

Anybody who has been trained in proper handling and understands the mechanics of a semi-automatic handgun knows that there is no danger in concealing a weapon in a waste band if there has not been a round cycled from the magazine into the chamber. Undercover law enforcement practices this method of concealing a handgun routinely. It's absolutely impossible for a semi-auto hand gun to cycle a round into the chamber from the magazine and then discharge accidentally by itself.

The only way you could potentially shoot yourself is if you cocked and chambered a round from the clip first before inserting it into your waste band, then managed to inadvertently knock the safety off, then somehow further manage to apply the 10-15 Lbs. of trigger pressure needed to squeeze off a round. It's not happening! Maybe the chances are a little greater with a revolver, but not a semi-auto. They just don't work that way. And if your inserting a loaded and armed semi-auto into your waistband that 'hot' and ready to fire, than that person deserves the castration.
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 28):
then somehow further manage to apply the 10-15 Lbs. of trigger pressure needed to squeeze off a round.

10-15 lb trigger pull on a pistol?

Umm.. which gun would that be on?

As for the rest of the post... no. Just... no.

1) Trained officers don't stick handguns unholstered down their pants. There's nothing to hold it there if the officer needs to move rapidly or energetically.

2) Not all SA pistols have a physical safety

3) A firearm is ALWAYS loaded. Any trained officer will tell you that.

BTW: ANC and I both fall into that "trained officer" category. We've both had more than enough instruction in the proper handling and mechanics of a firearm.

*edit*

On a closer look. He's holding the sig... and that still looks awfully alot like a Glock in his waistband. No visable hammer, and rear set main sights. Could be a Springfield XD...

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 29):
3) A firearm is ALWAYS loaded. Any trained officer will tell you that.

BTW: ANC and I both fall into that "trained officer" category. We've both had more than enough instruction in the proper handling and mechanics of a firearm.


Well I've also had extensive experience with firearms for the last twenty years. I've carried with a concealed permit for five now. I know the rules of firearm safety and I really don't see how it being holstered is any more safe or "unsafe" then carrying in your waistband. If you haven't chambered a round from the magazine, than you're not just going to somehow manage to pull the slide back and chamber a round with your gut or a love handle. There's not enough force and the gun is essentially 'clear' and not capable of firing. However, I'm not suggesting just blindly and carelessly stuffing a pistol down your waistband before making sure the chamber is clear and the weapon is safe. I use a shoulder holster for the comfort factor, but don't agree you can't safely carrying in a waistband with the right precautions

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 30):
Well I've also had extensive experience with firearms for the last twenty years. I've carried with a concealed permit for five now. I know the rules of firearm safety and I really don't see how it being holstered is any more safe or "unsafe" then carrying in your waistband.

I'm sorry, but the second sentence gives lie to the first two sentences.

A holster secures a weapon from movement, a waistband does not.

A holster prevents external objects from accidentally manipulating a firearm, a waistband does not. A tree branch or other such object can, and has been known to, poke through a layer of clothing to pull a trigger.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 30):
If you haven't chambered a round from the magazine, than you're not just going to somehow manage to pull the slide back and chamber a round with your gut or a love handle.

Are you willing to bet your genitals that at no time a round has been cycled into the chamber.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 30):
However, I'm not suggesting just blindly and carelessly stuffing a pistol down your waistband before making sure the chamber is clear and the weapon is safe

Want to repeat for us the basic rules of gun safety and tell us why this statement is so very wrong?
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 31):
holster prevents external objects from accidentally manipulating a firearm, a waistband does not. A tree branch or other such object can, and has been known to, poke through a layer of clothing to pull a trigger

Great then it pulls the trigger, but since no round has been cycled from the magazine into the action, explain to me how this is going to discharge? It's impossible, and if you make sure to clear the weapon before inserting it into your waistband than it's not going to discharge. It's really that simple. It's essentially unloaded.

On the street late a night or when you're somewhere where you think there might be trouble, you don't always have the luxury of a holster.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 31):
Are you willing to bet your genitals that at no time a round has been cycled into the chamber.

If I've personally handled it, inspected the firearm and visually confirmed there wasn't a round in the chamber, than yes I'd bet both genitals and my right buttocks.

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 32):
On the street late a night or when you're somewhere where you think there might be trouble, you don't always have the luxury of a holster.

I have never, ever. Not once carried a handgun on my person without it being in some kind of holster. If you had the "luxury" of picking up your weapon, you had the "luxury" of putting it in a holster.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 32):
It's essentially unloaded.

Since you declined, want to try now and type out those basic rules of gun safety to see where you keep going wrong?

If you were in one of my TX CHL classes and saying this, I would fail you. Try this next time you re-qual. 1)Unload your firearm. 2)Point your "unloaded" firearm at the instructor. 3)Come back here and tell us what he said when he failed you.
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 28):
Anybody who has been trained in proper handling and understands the mechanics of a semi-automatic handgun knows that there is no danger in concealing a weapon in a waste band if there has not been a round cycled from the magazine into the chamber.

Irrelevent. And you can spare me the weapon mechanics lecture.

Rule #1: All Guns are Always Loaded. And they don't belong in your waist band unless you're a really bad Hollywood actor or an idiot.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 30):
I know the rules of firearm safety and I really don't see how it being holstered is any more safe or "unsafe" then carrying in your waistband.

The your permit should be revoked and you shouldn't be allowed to carry a weapon. You're already demonstrating the characteristics that cause Negligent Discharges (there is NO such thing as an Accidental Discharge - it's always caused by Negligence) and get people "accidentally" killed.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 32):
On the street late a night or when you're somewhere where you think there might be trouble, you don't always have the luxury of a holster.

 redflag 
Either of three that I generally have within reach . . . on my hip, on my leg or on my truck console . . . but, a holster nevertheless. Carrying a weapon in any other fashion is - Negligent.

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 33):

I've already passed a safety course long ago. Actually, at my Rod and Gun Club I'm required to take a refresher course every two years. I never said I carry in my waistband or recommend it. I simply said it can be done safely if you dont get complacent about it.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 31):
Want to repeat for us the basic rules of gun safety and tell us why this statement is so very wrong?

Sure, I'll actually one-up it and give you more than the basic rules. Let's see...

1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded., Always point in a safe direction.
2. Never pass a firearm to another person, or accept a firearm from another person, until the cylinder or action is open and you've personally checked that the weapon is completely unloaded.
3. Before handling any firearm, understand its operation.
4. Never rely on any mechanical device for safety.
5. Think before shooting: once you pull the trigger you can't take back the shot you've just fired!
6. Never joke around or engage in horseplay while handling or using firearms.
7. Be alert at all times; never shoot if you're tired, cold or impaired in any way. Don't mix alcohol or drugs with shooting.
8. Don't sleep with a loaded firearm in your bedroom if you sleepwalk, have nightmares, sleep restlessly or have other sleep problems.
9. Safeguard your sight, hearing and health. Always wear eye and ear protection. Endeavor to limit your exposure to heavy metal particulates and gases, and minimize your contact with aromatic organic solvents (such as those commonly used in gun cleaning products).
10. Receive competent instruction from a qualified person before beginning to shoot. If questions arise later, after you've been shooting for a period of time, get answers to those questions from a competent authority.

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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 34):
ou're not coming to the Birmingham shoot-em-up are you?

Nope, sorry I'll be in Germany. No need to travel thousands of miles to shoot guns with people I don't know and frankly wouldn't feel safe shooting with to begin with judging from some of the posts I saw in the Birmingham Meet Thread. I guess that's how you feel about me, now isn't that funny?
 
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:31 am

Wow all this over a posed photo of me and my friends in the woods. I keep my concealed pistol in a holster, not only does keeping it in a holster reduce the probability of movement, but it also keeps it away from sweat and body oils which are bad for any gun.

As far as every gun being treated as it is loaded. I would say that is a good rule of thumb especially when you see a gun you are not familiar with. On the other hand. I live alone, a gun that is in its case and unloaded this morning will be unloaded this afternoon when I get home. I will not treat that gun like it is loaded. If I handled every gun as if it were loaded I would never be able to take it apart, clean, and or inspect it. At the shooting range if the action is locked open and is visibly clear then the gun is clear.

Treat it like it is loaded until you know it isn't

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 33):
If you were in one of my TX CHL classes and saying this, I would fail you.

Same in Michigan. We were told by the instructor to always use a holster. The cop who came and talked to us about the law had his tucked in his waistband, nice example eh?
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RE: Free Guns For Fire Victims

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 36):
No need to travel thousands of miles to shoot guns with people I don't know and frankly wouldn't feel safe shooting with to begin with judging from some of the posts I saw in the Birmingham Meet Thread. I guess that's how you feel about me, now isn't that funny?

Frankly, I'm relieved. I've met most of the people that will be in BHM, I don't anticipate any problems. I haven't booted anyone from a range in a long time, but I would not hesitate to do so . . .

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 36):
Nope, sorry I'll be in Germany.

I envy the trip. Drink a Bitburger or three for me. Enjoy it . . . it's a great place!
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