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Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:39 pm

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has applied for a U.S. visa so that he may attend U.N. meetings later this month according to State Department officials.

Because he is visiting the U.N. for meetings in late September, the application is being processed with the "U.N. Headquarters Agreement" in consideration, which allows for visits for government officials who want to visit the U.N. in New York.

I say let him come. He can then take the world stage and let the rest of the world render their decision about him. Hell, let him visit ground zero too.

Why not? We let all kinds of people into the U.S. to spout their rhetoric.

A 25 mile radius max travel distance however. Call it an isolation ward. How fitting.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:52 pm

Let him in, let him spew his crap, and then kick his ass back to Iran. Maybe the whole world will get to see what type of guy he is.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:40 pm

Does he need a visa ? I would have thought he would be travelling on a diplomatic passport.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Does he need a visa ? I would have thought he would be travelling on a diplomatic passport.

He is, but the countries have no diplomatic relations.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:39 pm

One of the great problems with the UN being located in NY City is that we have to let even the worst political leaders in the world into the city to speak at the UN at these general meetings. The location of the UN has a lot to do with the donation of the land and post-WWII politics. It would have been a lot better for it's HQ in Switzerland, as some of it's agencies are.
From news stories earlier this week, Ahmadinejad plans to speak on Sept. 19th, the same day but a number of hours apart from President Bush. The security will super stupid that day, along with huge protest crowds against Bush he will never see, but I hope huge ones too protesting Ahmadinejad he may very well seen. I suspect many pro-Israel and Jewish protesters will be there to bash Ahmadinejad and their should be.
 
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
One of the great problems with the UN being located in NY City is that we have to let even the worst political leaders in the world into the city to speak at the UN at these general meetings. The location of the UN has a lot to do with the donation of the land and post-WWII politics. It would have been a lot better for it's HQ in Switzerland, as some of it's agencies are.

That's the trouble with freedom of expression - everybody gets it. NYC and the US should be proud of their successful hosting of the U.N. It lends NYC a stature that being a mere national capital would never offer, and confirms NYC as a truly global city, and not just a financial hub.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:57 pm

Besides, who knows? Maybe he'll warm to the place and decide we're not so bad after all.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:08 am

This site has some video clips of various Ahmadinejad speaches with english subtitles.

http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=10

Some of his speaches are worth watching, if you have never actually seen him speak. I have watched a few and my opinions are:
1) He is much better speaker than the press that I have seen gives him credit
2) In general his arguments seem to be well thought out (from his point of view).
3) IMO he is very skilled at reaching the audience that is important to him
4) He seems much more intelligent than he is generally given credit for
5) He reminds me of President Bush in a wierd sort of way, perhaps in the way that he comes off as not really caring what his opponents think.
6) I suspect that he would win any debate with President Bush, in the opinion of the audience that he cares about
7) He is much scarier to me than he would be if he came off as the drooling madman that the western press protrays him as....

Other than that, we should absolutely let him speak to the UN. That is what it is there for.

just my thoughts.
 
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Thread starter):
A 25 mile radius max travel distance however. Call it an isolation ward. How fitting.

The same for anyone applying for a visa of this type. It's amazing how people get so worked up over something so simple and mundane.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 5):
NYC and the US should be proud of their successful hosting of the U.N. It lends NYC a stature that being a mere national capital would never offer, and confirms NYC as a truly global city, and not just a financial hub.

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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 5):
NYC and the US should be proud of their successful hosting of the U.N.

"Get Us Out of the UN"

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Seriously, The UN is a waste of prime real-estate. It has just turned into another debating club for the international set.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Thread starter):

I say let him come. He can then take the world stage and let the rest of the world render their decision about him. Hell, let him visit ground zero too.

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Would be good PR for the US and Iran can finally talk about this on the world stage. Let him come, and lock the doors so Israel can't walk out (I HATE when countries walk out because an ambassador said something they didn't like. Rebuke them if you don't like it)

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 6):
Besides, who knows? Maybe he'll warm to the place and decide we're not so bad after all.

Now that would take a miracle, but we'll see.

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 7):
1) He is much better speaker than the press that I have seen gives him credit
2) In general his arguments seem to be well thought out (from his point of view).
3) IMO he is very skilled at reaching the audience that is important to him
4) He seems much more intelligent than he is generally given credit for
5) He reminds me of President Bush in a wierd sort of way, perhaps in the way that he comes off as not really caring what his opponents think.
6) I suspect that he would win any debate with President Bush, in the opinion of the audience that he cares about

And quite frankly, that's what scares the sh!t out of me with him and Chavez. They are so good at public speeking that they can motivate a crowd to jump off a cliff...
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 7):
5) He reminds me of President Bush in a wierd sort of way, perhaps in the way that he comes off as not really caring what his opponents think.
6) I suspect that he would win any debate with President Bush, in the opinion of the audience that he cares about
7) He is much scarier to me than he would be if he came off as the drooling madman that the western press protrays him as....

 yes  And it is not that he himself is super-duper, it's that Bush is not very intelligent.
 
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
I suspect many pro-Israel and Jewish protesters will be there to bash Ahmadinejad and their should be.

I agree, but I resen the term "bash". They wouldn't be there to "bash", they would be there to excercise their rights of peaceful legitimate protest. This wouldn't bashing, which implies that they're just saying mean childish things about the man.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 10):
Let him come, and lock the doors so Israel can't walk out (I HATE when countries walk out because an ambassador said something they didn't like. Rebuke them if you don't like it)

Oh I see how it goes. Freedom of speech, but no freedom to ignore? You will force somebody to listen? No freedom there huh...
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Thread starter):
Why not? We let all kinds of people into the U.S. to spout their rhetoric.

I guess hes visiting UN,since its located in the US.Its seems that way.
Interesting to see what transpires.  Smile
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
t would have been a lot better for it's HQ in Switzerland, as some of it's agencies are.

Also, if the UN kept its HQ in San Francisco, the UN staff population would have fitted right in with the locals.
 
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
Seriously, The UN is a waste of prime real-estate. It has just turned into another debating club for the international set.

Possibly - but the U.N., as has been said before of Democracy, may not be perfect, but it's better than the alternative.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
the UN staff population would have fitted right in with the locals.

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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Thread starter):
Why not? We let all kinds of people into the U.S. to spout their rhetoric.

Yes, you're living proof of that, CH.  Big grin

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
One of the great problems with the UN being located in NY City is that we have to let even the worst political leaders in the world into the city to speak at the UN at these general meetings

One of the great problems is George Bush doesn't even need permisson to go to the UN.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:22 am

Hmm,

Can't you guys.....?

1) Grant the visa
2) Welcome him to the country
3) Bump him off (quietly)

Would it change anything tho??



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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
One of the great problems is George Bush doesn't even need permisson to go to the UN.

Worse yet, he sends one of his all-hat-and-no-cattle Texas (at least I assume this guy is Texan) cronies to cause permanent offense to everyone there. The word is dip-lo-ma-cy, George ! Look it up.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 12):

Oh I see how it goes. Freedom of speech, but no freedom to ignore? You will force somebody to listen? No freedom there huh...

I don't mean this by freedom of whatever, I mean this by professionalism.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 18):
3) Bump him off (quietly)

Haven't we tried that before with a certain Cuban and failed  Wink
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 5):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
One of the great problems with the UN being located in NY City is that we have to let even the worst political leaders in the world into the city to speak at the UN at these general meetings. The location of the UN has a lot to do with the donation of the land and post-WWII politics. It would have been a lot better for it's HQ in Switzerland, as some of it's agencies are.

That's the trouble with freedom of expression - everybody gets it. NYC and the US should be proud of their successful hosting of the U.N. It lends NYC a stature that being a mere national capital would never offer, and confirms NYC as a truly global city, and not just a financial hub.

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Quoting Piercey (Reply 10):
And quite frankly, that's what scares the sh!t out of me with him and Chavez. They are so good at public speeking that they can motivate a crowd to jump off a cliff...

Hitler was the same way. Dictators generally have a way with public speaking.

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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
Worse yet, he sends one of his all-hat-and-no-cattle Texas (at least I assume this guy is Texan) cronies to cause permanent offense to everyone there

I assume you are refering to Bolton.

Well I hope he does offend some of the fat cats there. The place is as corrupt as all get-out.....maybe as bad as Juneau.

Sorry you would have to be local to get that reference.
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:18 pm

Er... New York City is not a national capital...
 
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
The security will super stupid that day, along with huge protest crowds against Bush he will never see, but I hope huge ones too protesting Ahmadinejad he may very well seen.

How much would you like to bet that the protests over Bush will be greater than the protests over Ahmadinejad? As though Bush was some sort of greater threat.

If that's the case, foreigners and enemies of the U.S. will just eat it up. All we will be left with is "Ooohh lookie how great our society is, we can protest our own leaders" and then feel good about ourselves. All that while our enemies rage with glee.

Don't get me wrong, protesting is fine, but there is an appropriate time for it. Not while one of the worlds most dangerous and twisted leaders (that's Ahmadinejahd for you smart asses) is in this country spouting his insane and dangerous rhetoric saying "you see, even Americans hate your leaders", as he smirks with glee.

Enjoy the right of protesting, protest against the foul statements and angry rhetoric from this crazy leader from Iran.

Hmmm, I wonder if he will bring a shoe to bang on the podium?
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Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Thread starter):
25 mile radius max travel distance however. Call it an isolation ward.

25 miles ? less than 25 miles north of here is Germany, AND what is 25 miles east of New York ?  duck 
 
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Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
a waste of prime real-estate

well, simply tell them to get out of the USA. They would be welcome in other places like Geneva, Zurich, Milano, Cairo, Alexandria, Beirut, etc .  wink  yes 
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
well, simply tell them to get out of the USA. They would be welcome in other places like Geneva, Zurich, Milano, Cairo, Alexandria, Beirut, etc .

The problem with leaving is that the U.N. won't. They like being in New York and all the city and this country have to offer.
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 27):
well, simply tell them to get out of the USA. They would be welcome in other places like Geneva, Zurich, Milano, Cairo, Alexandria, Beirut, etc .

The problem with leaving is that the U.N. won't. They like being in New York and all the city and this country have to offer.

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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:51 am

I'd much rather see his visa application approved, only to have the immigration officer refuse entry and send him packing when he lands...
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 29):
I'd much rather see his visa application approved, only to have the immigration officer refuse entry and send him packing when he lands...

if such things are such a big problem, why not build a conference hall just somewhere on the perimeter of JFK, and shift "critical" UN-assemblies to that hall once in a while ?
 
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:27 pm

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Thread starter):
Why not? We let all kinds of people into the U.S. to spout their rhetoric.

There are alot of people living in America who hate more than he does.

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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
He is, but the countries have no diplomatic relations.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
with the UN being located in NY City is that we have to let even the worst political leaders in the world into the city to speak at the UN at these general meetings.

Actually I was wondering, too....ok, no relations, but isn't there a separate regulation for the UN meetings? Get into JFK into a car, to the East River, hold your speech and back to JFK, that should be possible without visa??!

I assume it's another one of his propagandist attacks and there is but ONE way to answer for the USA:

Let him come! Make it absolutely clear that the USA are very much different from the lunatic ravings of some Mullahs and Ahmadinedschad himself!!
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RE: Iran's Ahmadinejad Applies For U.S. Visa

Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 5):
everybody gets it. NYC and the US should be proud of their successful hosting of the U.N. It lends NYC a stature that being a mere national capital would never offer, and confirms NYC as a truly global city, and not just a financial hub.

Not to mention the money allthose free spending diplomats pump into the local economy.I work blocks fromthe UN, and believe me, they are not lunching at McDonalds and living in QUeens. From a New York standpoint the UN is a win.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
The UN is a waste of prime real-estate. It has just turned into another debating club for the international set

Wellas above those diplomats who granted do squat pump lots of money into the local economy. They UN should move to the Freedom tower at ground zero as a symbolic move.And the UN building iteslf is crumbling.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
all-hat-and-no-cattle Texas (at least I assume this guy is Texan)

Just remember Bush was born in New England, went to private boarding school in New England and he and his family are known as the Texas raj, i.e. wealthy non Texans who came to make money.
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