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11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:43 pm

I wonder how much people can be sick.

From ABC News:
On Monday, an 11-year-old girl was allegedly sexually assaulted by as many as 20 boys while she was reportedly coached by a 16-year-old girl she was romantically interested in.

If that sounds confusing, it is. And there's more. The 16-year-old girl's 40-year-old uncle admitted he also had sex with the 11-year-old. He has told police that his niece was coaching the girl, though she has denied it.


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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:46 pm

Sentence them, put them in prison, be done with it for the coming years.

My heartfelt condolences to the victim.

[Edited 2006-09-09 13:11:43]
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:59 pm

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494052

Poor girl, apparently she had been molested before. And it seems that she was HIV infected. Would be poetic justice if they all caught it.
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Sentence them, put them in prison, be done with it for the coming years.

Nah, I think a public stoning would be just punishment.
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:11 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 3):
Nah, I think a public stoning would be just punishment.

That's just as barbaric as the crime.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):

That's just as barbaric as the crime.

Stoning a pedophile is in no way as barbaric as molesting an 11 year old girl togeather with 20 other people (at least when it comes to the 40 year old guy). Do you really think that?

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:30 pm

Better idea, make all of the adults into unichs or capons, then put into jail for the rest of their sorry lives. Let the other prisioners give them their rough justice they tend to do to sex offenders of children.
Of course, this poor girl is a very damaged person, apparently treated worse than an animal all of her life. That she has HIV is even a greater tragedy. What makes me angry with such stories as this is that one has to wonder how many young men are learning to lead lives totally without any morality including as to sex as here to have sex with a child (shudder).
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Agill (Reply 5):
Do you really think that?

Yes, I think public stoning of anyone, regardless of the crime, is barbaric. The way I see it, justice exists not to enable revenge, but to deter and to keep the population safe from criminals.

My regard for any and all human life is too high for me to advocate the death penalty, let alone public stonings. I'd expand on this, but I'm not in the mood for yet another flame war.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
unichs

I believe the word you're looking for is "eunuchs". Nice extremist Sharia reference, by the way.

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):

Yes, I think public stoning of anyone, regardless of the crime, is barbaric.

I was questioning your use of "AS barbaric". To me it's a big difference in barbaricness, even though stoning isn't nice.
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting Agill (Reply 8):
I was questioning your use of "AS barbaric".

Well, I reconfirm what I said - including the "as ... as" construction. Both the crime committed and public stonings are in an area where I no longer weigh the "barbaricnesses" of things against each other, since both are no things that any human being matching my idea of being civilised would do.

So yes, both are far enough out there to disgust me equally. Every time I read about an atrocious crime such as the one we're talking about here, I remember that a foaming-at-the-mouth approach as in "Stone them to death!" gets no one anywhere. The girl needs to be taken care of, the criminals must be punished and society - other young girls in particular - must be protected from them.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):
The way I see it, justice exists not to enable revenge, but to deter and to keep the population safe from criminals.

Yeah, that's why my friend was arrested and in jail for 2 days for an expired out of state license plate...to protect our society.

(The jail time was for failure to pay the fine and show up in court.)
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:44 pm

Sounds like a poor black neighborhood. Interesting because the African American community has a far smaller population of child molestors and sexual predators than the caucasian or hispanic ones.
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

That is Just plain, fucking sick. People like that need the death penalty.

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 10):
to protect our society.

In that case I guess it was

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):
to deter

via punishment. I shouldn't think your friend is going to fail to show up in court again.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting TNNH (Reply 11):
Sounds like a poor black neighborhood. Interesting because the African American community has a far smaller population of child molestors and sexual predators than the caucasian or hispanic ones.

We have enough problems as it is already, we don't child molesters too. But no, very interesting thought indeed.

I was reading that article yesterday, how awful. That girl is really scared for life, added to the fact she got HIV from her mother. I mean what a life. Really awful.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:30 am

Child molesters should be hanged in the public. I don't care if it politically incorrect to do this or not. Harming any child this way is so very wrong and there is no excuse for it. For all the saloon-socialists out there 'protecting' and trying to 'change' the lifestyle of the child molesters I have one thing to say; you are part of the problem.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:47 am

That's just fucked. You wonder how desperate these peopole are who are willing to risk it all.

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:06 am

Throw them in jail and lock away the key. Throw them in the electric chair for all I care!!
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:52 am

I wish we had cruel punishment in this country. Chopping all their dicks off would be quite appropriate for something like this! Then you can throw them in jail...
Poor girl.

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 18):
I wish we had cruel punishment in this country.

You would've loved it in Afghanistan, early 2001 - where cruel punishment was the norm.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:12 am

Quote:
The 11-year-old told police she then went down to the basement where there were about 15 other boys and she "began to choose who she wanted to perform oral sex on," the records reveal.

That alone right there says something. The fact that that girl was ROMANTICLY interested in a 16 year old and knows how to preform oral sex, let alone what it is, is really making me wonder...
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 20):
That alone right there says something. The fact that that girl was ROMANTICLY interested in a 16 year old and knows how to preform oral sex, let alone what it is, is really making me wonder...


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"We're in the middle of the investigation, and there's a lot more to the story."

You guys need to read the whole article before commenting. Those two quotes from the article alone would suggest she wasnt assualted. Raped, in basic definition, yes, but not necessarily assaulted. And NO WHERE In the article does it say that it she was assaulted/raped etc. "Alleged" is used 4 times and all when talking about the "alleged" crime.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:21 am

FlyUSCG: I really don't feel the need to read anything more to make up my mind. She was 11 years old for crying out loud. When an 11 year old gets into a situation where shes having sex with 20 guys to me it's pretty clearcut. Nomatter if she was interested and probably wanted to impress that 16 year old. Shes a child.
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:25 am

Got to love a 40 year old that joins in a under 17 gang bang. What a scene that had to be. He won't last too long in jail.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):
The way I see it, justice exists not to enable revenge, but to deter and to keep the population safe from criminals.

And you don't think a public stoning of these sick fucks would likely deter like incidents?
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 24):
And you don't think a public stoning of these sick fucks would likely deter like incidents?

Has the death sentence detered murder?
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 25):
Has the death sentence detered murder?

Absolutely. The individual being put to death will never commit another murder, will he?
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 26):
Absolutely. The individual being put to death will never commit another murder, will he?

So why not just lock him up for ever, if thats the required end result?
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 24):
And you don't think a public stoning of these sick fucks would likely deter like incidents?

No, not at all. If you "gang-bang" an 11yo, you've got a problem. A huge mental problem, and the last thing you're going to be thinking of while you're committing the crime is possible punishment. Society needs to be well protected from this kind of criminal, I say let the jury decide and put everyone who's found guilty in prison.

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 26):
Absolutely. The individual being put to death will never commit another murder, will he?

But that doesn't mean someone else won't be out murdering to "avenge" the person sentenced to death.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 27):
So why not just lock him up for ever, if thats the required end result?

Like I said in a different thread - that would have so little entertainment value.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 27):
So why not just lock him up for ever, if thats the required end result?

Sure, so they can continue to live on someone else's dime? No thanks. 'Course the rebuttal, and, unfortunately an accurate one at this point in time, is that it generally costs just as much money to incarcerate someone for life as it does to execute them. So, to that I say, we need to do away with our ridiculous appeals process. If I were "The Decider", you would get one appeal after being sentenced to death. That appeal would take place within 30 days of the sentence. If the sentence holds, you go directly from the courthouse to the death chamber. If the appeal stands, then you go to prison for life without chance for parole.
 
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 29):
If I were "The Decider"

Good thing you aren't. Your disregard for human life is appalling. What about evidence that's found later than 30 days after the trial? What about the time experts may need for their work? What about doubts?
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
You would've loved it in Afghanistan, early 2001 - where cruel punishment was the norm.

Don't get me wrong. Only if it was used in situations like this. Then I think it's very much needed.

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 31):
Then I think it's very much needed.

It is never needed. The victim won't be profiting from it, society won't be profiting from "chopping off" someone's genitals, and it will make at least some people think of the responsible government as barbaric. I don't want to think of any democratic government as barbaric.
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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 32):
The victim won't be profiting from it, society won't be profiting from "chopping off" someone's genitals

Your right, the victim will NOT be profiting from it, and that's the point. He should be punished for committing a crime like that. And society won't be profiting from it either. And we shouldn't be. It's not like we need to feel good about doing it. Same as killing a person on an electric chair. I certainly don't feel good about doing that. It's a punishment given to a criminal for something he did. Yes it might be barbaric. But I also think that 20 boys sexually abusing a girl is barbaric as well.

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 33):
But I also think that 20 boys sexually abusing a girl is barbaric as well.

definitely

It doesn't have that much to do with the case at hand, but here's an old thread on "cruel punishment" that will send shivers down your spine: Mom Makes Naughty Girl Stand On Corner With Sign (by FlyingTexan Nov 17 2005 in Non Aviation)

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RE: 11-year-old Girl Sexually Assaulted By 20 Boys

Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 30):
What about evidence that's found later than 30 days after the trial? What about the time experts may need for their work? What about doubts?

I don't think the thread starter intended this to be a debate over the death penalty. So, all I will say is for someone to be convicted of a crime, they are found guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. So much for your concerns about doubt. You can "what about" it all you want but the fact that the average time someone sits on death row is roughly 8 years can, in itself, be seen as inhumane.

With regard to this specific case, I would have no problem inserting the needle or throwing the switch to end the life of the animal or animals who've been sentenced to death for the gang rape of an 11 year old child.

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