NWDC10
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Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:32 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14788775/site/newsweek/

If they provide quality and good prices, this will further hurt the USA Auto Industry but that's competition. Robert NWDC10
 
TheSonntag
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:04 pm

I am the last one to underestimate them, but the first chinese car for the european market, the jiangling landwind, was a complete crash-test disaster. They crashed it, and it was completely destroyed with zero chance of survival, where people went out unscratched in western or japanese cars.

Of course, the first Japanese and Korean cars were crappy, as well, and they went better very fast, but one thing is also sure: Despite this competition, the US and German car companies still exist.

So I am not that scared of Chinese competition.
 
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:33 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
Of course, the first Japanese and Korean cars were crappy, as well, and they went better very fast, but one thing is also sure: Despite this competition, the US and German car companies still exist.

Yep. Nobody will buy Chery instead of BMW. Or even instead of Volkswagen. But Japanese and Korean manufacturres should be aware...
 
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
I am the last one to underestimate them, but the first chinese car for the european market, the jiangling landwind, was a complete crash-test disaster. They crashed it, and it was completely destroyed with zero chance of survival, where people went out unscratched in western or japanese cars.

Indeed. The Landwind "managed" to achieve the worst crash test result in the history of the NCAP tests, certainly not the kind of promotion you want.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
So I am not that scared of Chinese competition.

Long-term I am scared of Chinese competition, for the simple reason which always applies to Chinese products: They copy it from Western parts, improve it as good as they can to the level they can sell their versions in Europe or the US, and gain a market through offering rock-bottom prices which could very well cause serious problems for other manufacturers, because they either have to follow the prices go down or lose customers. And in the end, they can't compete, because for them it's impossible to have workers work for $50 per month, logically. Call me a critic, but I am very cautious about anything coming from China these days.
 
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:22 pm

I would suspect that this will be very much contested. Problem is the WTO and other agreements may limit the ability to stop the import of these cars to the USA. In the USA, many members of Congress along with a huge fight by the UAW will attempt to prevent the import of fully assembled Chinese built cars. Yet, GM, Daimler-Chrysler and to a lesser extent Ford do make cars in China for that market, so you have a terrible counteraction. I do believe that they shouldn't be imported, but even then and already, many automobile components, including engines, the various small electric motors, and other parts will be imported to the USA for some models here.
 
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:30 pm

FWIW the Landwind was a loosely rebadged version of the first generation Isuzu Rodeo.... also sold under Honda, Vauxhall, Opel, and Holden nameplates. And it did equally bad in crash tests..... granted it was first released in the late 1980s.

I do not underestimate the capability of the Chinese to be successful making cars, it will not be an immediate threat to the industry. It took the Japanese quite some time before they successfully pentrated the US market. Despite coming on in large numbers in the late 1960s, it wasn't until the 1980s till they were competitive and successful. Same thing with the Koreans... the first Hyundai Excels/Ponys were by all measures mediocre cars with poor longevity. It has not been until the past 5 years or so that the Koreans have really gotten the US market and produced quality product to match. Note that it took the Koreans less time to adapt.

I would bet it might take the Chinese 10 years to really figure it out before they become competitive. The way I see it, is that the bread and butter of the automotive world isn't cheap shit. People will buy a product because of perceived reliability and goodness. Hence why Toyotas and Hondas continually top sales charts despite the real quality differences between them and the domestic competition is rather small. And even when the Koreans had a marked price advantage they weren't exactly selling cars like gangbusters either. So I bear these few things in mind.

And I am not really certain how good the product coming from China is. The latest car I saw online was a Chery, based on the MkI Seat Toledo, which itself was based on an improved MkII Volkswagen Golf/Jetta. Powered by the BMW/Chrysler 1.6 litre four cylinder (the one used in non-supercharged Minis). All for about $10,000. So I can have a Chinese car based on a 15 year old Spanish car, which it based itself on a nearly 25 year old German car.
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:57 pm

Chinese cars have been "coming soon" for the past several years. And "soon" never quite gets here  scratchchin 
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:20 am

The prospect of China building cars for export is more daunting than Japan or Korea sending cars mostly because they are so large and their internal demand for cars won't keep them occupied to the point that they don't see another avenue to increase the trade deficit.

It's the sort of thing that makes one look twice at import tariffs.....imagine what's going to happen when they start building airplanes for export?
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:27 am

[quote=DAL767400ER,reply=3]Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
So I am not that scared of Chinese competition.

Remeber way back when after WWII - no one was sacared of the Japanese electronic industry - then a little company called Sony came along..
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RE: Chinese Cars Are Coming To The USA

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:02 am

I like the packaging the Chinese cars will come in:



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