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Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:12 am

A gunman has opened fire inside a Montreal school injuring at least four people before reportedly turning the gun on himself.

The incident happened at Dawson College, which is attended by students in their late teens.

Television footage showed students fleeing from the campus and a pool of blood on the front steps of the college.

The CTV channel said one eyewitness spoke of up to 20 shots being fired while another said the shooting had taken place in the college's cafeteria.

One student told radio station 940 News she saw two people who had been shot, including one who had been hit in the neck.

The student said a friend told her four people had been shot.

TV footage showed students fleeing the building which has since been evacuated.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1233878,00.html
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:20 am

I live just a few blocks away from the college. All roads in the area are blocked.. helicopters everywhere.. police sirens ringing like crazy. Very VERY unusual for montreal.. very sad indeed. This is not good for Montreal..  Sad

So far no deaths reported, 3 serious injuries and several minor ones.. ill keep you posted as the news come in.

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:25 am

Montreal was so peaceful before this. My brother goes to that school, he's ok.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
My brother goes to that school, he's ok.

Thats good to know!!!

Looks like there were 2 shooters, 1 shooter shot himself.. not confirmed though.

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:40 am

seems like 4 killed 16 injured... metro lines shut down..
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:42 am

On the news here it just says 3 are critical.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:09 am

Some 40 people seem to be barricaded somewhere inside the school. Police unsure if any of them might be armed, holding the others against their will.

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:11 am

Swedish tele text says 4 killed and 16 wounded, it also says that there were 2 gunmen; one shot himself and police took out the other one.


Sounds like a columbine act to me. It´s always very sad to hear about these incidents involving misguided teens eachothers and themselves. My thoughts are with everyone affected by this tragedy..and i must say that i am surprised to see this happen in Canada.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 7):
and i must say that i am surprised to see this happen in Canada.

Why, because they are so much more enlightened than their American neighbors? People are people and this can happen anywhere.
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:15 am

One request: Could any of you Canadians who read this just inform me which is the largest local news station in Montreal, i would very much like to be able to follow this incident as it uncovers.

Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 8):
Why, because they are so much more enlightened than their American neighbors? People are people and this can happen anywhere.

No, mainly just because i´ve never experienced this happening in Canada before. If it happened in the US or in Germany it wouldn´t have surprised me as much.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:19 am

Sad day for Montreal and for all of Canada, brings the question about gun control to light, I have heard unconfirmed reports one gunman committed suicide and the other was killed by police. If that is the case good work by the police, and thankfully they were armed appropriately. If this was possibly a European country the shooting may still be going on. Also I wonder if hadguns were used which are effecively banned in Canada.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:21 am

Mika,

You should be watching CBCNewsworld, or if you speak french, RDI, the french version of Newsworld, which has more reporters on the ground.

Jean Leloup

p.s. The '4 dead' tally is still unconfirmed, and was given by an unofficial source to RDI about an hour ago - in other words, I'm still hoping it's mistaken.

Police still seem to be after at least one more suspect.
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 11):
If this was possibly a European country the shooting may still be going on.

Could you please elaborate what you mean with this. Why would european police (gross generalization by the way) have acted more passively?
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 10):
i´ve never experienced this happening in Canada before

L'ecole Polytechnique ring any bells ? Not only in Canada, but also in Quebec !
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:23 am

Jean Leloup,

Thanks, i´m looking at cbc.ca right now.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 14):
L'ecole Polytechnique ring any bells ? Not only in Canada, but also in Quebec !

It didn´t until now when i browsed through the CBC website. I had never heard about a school shooting in Canada before, my bad.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 14):
L'ecole Polytechnique ring any bells ? Not only in Canada, but also in Quebec !

Exactly, and another example of how buying into steriotypes gets you nowhere.
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 13):
Why would european police (gross generalization by the way) have acted more passively?

I didnt mean anything bad about the generalization, just that from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm. Putting them in a better situation to handle a criminal with a gun.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 17):
buying into steriotypes

We are, however, much more enlightened than our neighbours.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 14):
L'ecole Polytechnique ring any bells ?

Exactly, shades of L'ecole Polytechnique. I was in university at the time of that shooting, and as a girl in a male-dominated field, it shocked and scared me.
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:38 am

Well, how terrible, what a tragedy for those kids.

But it's North America, who can be surprised.
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 20):
Exactly, shades of L'ecole Polytechnique. I was in university at the time of that shooting, and as a girl in a male-dominated field, it shocked and scared me.

I can well imagine. The memory still disturbs me.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 18):
I didnt mean anything bad about the generalization, just that from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm. Putting them in a better situation to handle a criminal with a gun.

What i can say is that Swedish police is armed, every police officer has a Sig Sauer 9mm at the ready when on duty. About police in other european countries i know nothing.

Point being that there is no such thing as "European police". There is Swedish, Finnish, Italian, Greek etc - police.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 23):
What i can say is that Swedish police is armed

Norwegian police is generally not armed, but there armed divisions. It has been debated whether the police should always carry a firearm, but they have chosen not to, as it may seem "provocative" towards the criminal environments.

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 23):
What i can say is that Swedish police is armed, every police officer has a Sig Sauer 9mm at the ready when on duty. About police in other european countries i know nothing.

I am glad the Swedes carry nice pieces, I know not all are armed in Britain, although not European Australia is similar, IIRC France, is similar.

Quoting Mika (Reply 23):
Point being that there is no such thing as "European police". There is Swedish, Finnish, Italian, Greek etc - police.

I know that, read my post one more time below. I said many European countries, no reference to a blanket Euro police force.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 18):
from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 25):
I know that, read my post one more time below. I said many European countries, no reference to a blanket Euro police force.

I did read that, however i was referring to your first post. Point is taken now though.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 25):
I know not all are armed in Britain

British police are not armed but they do have armed response units which are trained for events like this and would be there in an instant. No matter where you are in the world this can happen anywhere - it's always shocking. I just hope the minimal damage is done.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 19):
We are, however, much more enlightened than our neighbours.

No enlightened human being would say that about 300,000,000 people in the most successful country in the world, so there you go.

[Edited 2006-09-13 21:58:41]
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:58 am

http://www.cbc.ca/listen/

There´s a good live video news feed from CBC news.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:02 am

Just watching the CBC feed, it does seem like there´s more people involved in this than the alleged two that are already dead. A girl from the school said that a tall suspect dressed in black had a bunch of people "with him" when he walked to the school. It does bear resemblance to the early reports from Columbine though, back then people were talking about the Trench coat mafia being the alleged shooters.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:04 am

I'm working in downtown YUL and around noon I started to hear all sorts of sirens. There are a lot of that usually, but this time, I knew something serious was going on because when I looked outside I saw police cars after police cars that were running down Maisonneuve blvd like crazy.

There are a lot of Dawson students in my train usually. I know their faces. I hope none of them is hurt.

The office where I work is filled with that horrible "December 6th 1989" atmosphere now. Nobody is really working. I feel really sad.

[Edited 2006-09-13 22:12:45]
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:09 am

I live across the street from Dawson College in the Alexis Nihon complex. I was actually on my way home from the gym when the shootings happened and I saw EVERYTHING. From my window I sawe everything unfold, the swat teams entering, the victims leaving...there's blood everywhere. I saw the police shoot and kill one of the gunmen, his body is still there right outisde my window as we speak...this whole thing has shaken me up...may God help those suffering ... such a tragedy!!!

BTW the whole building has been closed down, our elevators, the front door, everyhting because a third gunmen is reportedly missing...pretty freaky!
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:15 am

Gunshots have apparently been heard at the nearby mall, inside the actual mall. This thing just sounds worse and worse  frown 


May this all end in the best way possible. My thoughts are with everyone affected by this, may god bless the montreal community and everyone connected to it.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:17 am

This could have happened anywhere but it happened in Montreal again, sadly, 17 years after La Polytechnique. Hopefully, everybody in critical condition will feel better soon. It's no good news for Montréal, a city in which I felt very safe. But then again, it could have happened here in Ottawa at U of O as well.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 28):

I don't like to comment usually in such circumstances on other people's posts but given what happened, can we keep those comments or argument for a later time? Thank you.

'Safe
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:21 am

We are, however, much more enlightened than our neighbours.

What a load of crap. If we're so enlightened than why did this Dawson tragedy happen?Why were 14 women murdered at Polytechnique? ... I don't think this thread has room for people with inferiority complexes. There's a tragedy on hand so let's focus on that! sheesh!
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 32):
I saw EVERYTHING.

Hang in there...you must be so shocked and frightened!
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:35 am

Whoa... what terrible news. It's always shocking when something like this happens, no matter the country...  Sad
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 32):
I saw the police shoot and kill one of the gunmen

Thanks for the info, Marco - that would seem to contradict what the police have said so far, that they only know of one suspect for sure (who was seen by TV crews being dragged out dead from the building, apparently). Unless of course the TV people were mistaken, and the guy was in fact shot outside, which would mean Marco saw the same guy.

Good news from the Montreal General hospital:

No one was transported there dead, and of the 11 shooting victims transported there, NONE are feared to be in danger of their lives. In other words, the current official death count is only 1: the suspect.

Let's hope it stays that way!

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:22 am

Now apparently there was only one gunman. Keep us informed about what happens at the press conference.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:27 am

Police director just confirmed that Police shot the suspect, inside, immediately upon responding to the call. This is very strange, because it would seem to contradict the reports that there was also shooting outside, and that the cops had shot the guy outside. I don't know how to put the info together. Perhaps police outside had their guns drawn, and then the suspect was quickly pulled outside. Well, I shoudln't speculate too much; it'll all be clear soon I hope.

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:41 am

To be honest it's such a blur. I was on Atwater and Maisonneuve when people started running, crying, police were screaming at us to leave. When I got to my apartment I could see everything - the Dawson College entrance. I saw the gunman struggling with them and then it looked like he was shot in the head and died within a matter of seconds. I could be wrong though - it was all such a frightening surreal experience. We're still locked in Alexis Nihon apartments because we're hearing that there's a third killer. There are lots of helicopters around the building...
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:15 am

Marco,

The guy got killed in the school... perhaps there is more than one shooter?
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:54 am

Then that was the guy that shot himself. The police looked like they were struggling with him, he was bleeding and he just died after a couple of seconds. Honestly I heard do many bullets that I can only speculate. By the way its almost 7 pm and we're still stuck in the apartment complex, the police have cordoned off the whole area and the elevators and doors are locked!
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:59 am

After having watched about an hour of news coverage here is what has been confirmed:

- There was one shooter & the police ended up killing him
- 20 people have been injured
- The attack does not appear to have been racially motivated nor a terrorist attack
- CTV news is now reporting that one student has died from their injuries

Always tragic when these events happen but even more so when it happens in your city.

I think many people need tonight to get over the shock of all this and that tomorrow will be a very sad day for Montreallers as well as a day of reflection.

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 44):
The attack does not appear to have been racially motivated nor a terrorist attack

I dont mean to split hairs here, but what does qualify a terrorist attack? I dont know the ethnicity of the shooter, nor does it matter to me, because when someone for whatever reason walks into a school or any public place and randomly starts shooting people, they are still a terrorist. One doesnt have to be an Islamic extremist bent on killing infidels to qualify for a terrorist attack in my book.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:33 am

Oh my God, shocking news.  Really sad to hear. Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families.

Dave

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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:58 am

Thoughts and prayers are with all those involved. Hang in there Montreal, Canadians are standing with you tonight.

Montreal certainly does seem to have bad luck with this sort of thing.

I'll be interested to see all the details of this- Who was the shooter? What were his motivations? Where did he get the gun from? etc.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 45):
I dont mean to split hairs here, but what does qualify a terrorist attack? I dont know the ethnicity of the shooter, nor does it matter to me, because when someone for whatever reason walks into a school or any public place and randomly starts shooting people, they are still a terrorist.

I guess one could say that in a traditional sense you are a terrorist if you commit an act like this, a terrorist/murderer. But after the recent islamic extremist attacks that we all have witnessed the term terrorist have been used almost exclusively in that context.
 
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RE: Attack At Montreal School

Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 44):
After having watched about an hour of news coverage here is what has been confirmed:

- There was one shooter & the police ended up killing him
- 20 people have been injured
- The attack does not appear to have been racially motivated nor a terrorist attack
- CTV news is now reporting that one student has died from their injuries

Always tragic when these events happen but even more so when it happens in your city.

I think many people need tonight to get over the shock of all this and that tomorrow will be a very sad day for Montreallers as well as a day of reflection.

I heard about an hour ago that there was 1 confirmed death of a victim (NOT the killer).

Terrible news.

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