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So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:02 am

There's been talk of many people running for the US prez spot in 2008, is there any word of who will be on the primaries?!?

I haven't seen, and am beginng to wonder..

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
is there any word of who will be on the primaries?!?

Tragically, we'll have to wait until 2036 to see Jonathan Karl on the ballot. Then you'll get to see how great Jonathan Ka....oh, I just wet myself. Be back in 5.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:16 am

Since O'bama was elected in IL, I've been thinking Hilliary/O'bama in '08. She has the political connections and the women's vote, he has the perceived political detatchment from Washington - less baggage being a relative newbie in the Senate, the picture of the strong family and the minority vote. If they can maneuver correctly, they would probably pound the Republican candidates in the vote.

As to who the Republican candidate - I keep hearing Giuliani's and McCain's names thrown around. Well, it's necessary sometimes to grab the unknown guy who can give the camera some good face time, too. One of the Republicans pretty boys is John Thune from SD. Unknown, another senator w/o political baggage and good for the cameras, he or someone like him could be the VP candidate. The field is open for the Republicans.

Personally, I'd like to see a 3rd-party candidate with good character come along who could appeal to the minority voters and grab a good chunk of the women's vote. I'd love to see the Republicans shamed into losing the conservative vote while watching the Democrats robbed of the vote of their own constituents.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
There's been talk of many people running for the US prez spot in 2008, is there any word of who will be on the primaries?!?

My predictions:
Front-runners for the GOP, Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, Mass Gov.Mitt Romney, and Sen. George Allen with Gingrich getting the nod for the nomination
Front-runners for the Dems, Sen. Evan Bayh, Sen. John F Kerry, Sen. John Edwards getting the nomination. Hillary gets toasted in primaries.

Running mates? I think John McCain or Newt for the GOP, and the Dems, Dick Durbin, or Bayh
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:29 am

Wiki has been keeping a pretty thorough list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Election
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 2):
I've been thinking Hilliary/O'bama in '08.

O'bama should be the front runner. I'd vote for him (sadly, I'll be a year off in 2008, dammit!)
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 2):
Since O'bama was elected in IL, I've been thinking Hilliary/O'bama in '08. She has the political connections and the women's vote, he has the perceived political detatchment from Washington - less baggage being a relative newbie in the Senate, the picture of the strong family and the minority vote. If they can maneuver correctly, they would probably pound the Republican candidates in the vote.

Nope, Hillary won't get the nomination. She'll be raked over the coals during the primaries. Obama has little experience. In the future, maybe, but not in 08

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 2):
As to who the Republican candidate - I keep hearing Giuliani's and McCain's names thrown around. Well, it's necessary sometimes to grab the unknown guy who can give the camera some good face time, too. One of the Republicans pretty boys is John Thune from SD. Unknown, another senator w/o political baggage and good for the cameras, he or someone like him could be the VP candidate. The field is open for the Republicans

McCain is too liberal, he's a polarizing figure and won't win any favours from his antics the last few years. Guiliani would be a choice, but he's pro-choice and that will rule him out. His politics might win in New York, but not on the national stage. Same for Sen Clinton.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Front-runners for the GOP, Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, Mass Gov.Mitt Romney, and Sen. George Allen with Gingrich getting the nod for the nomination
Front-runners for the Dems, Sen. Evan Bayh, Sen. John F Kerry, Sen. John Edwards getting the nomination. Hillary gets toasted in primaries.

What some interesting picks. I doubt Romney can get the nomination because of the Mormon factor which doesn't play well with the far right base; Allen has to win in November and really doesn't have a national base, Gingrich would be a disaster for the Republicans, wouldn't be able to get the middle of the road voters. Personally, I think McCain is too old and with him pandering to the far right he will lose the moderate voters.
On the other side, I agree Hillary is out along with Kerry (he just doesn't get it). Edwards could be a pick that fires up the base, but look for Warner of Virgina.
Just some ideas for discussion.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Front-runners for the GOP, Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, Mass Gov.Mitt Romney, and Sen. George Allen with Gingrich getting the nod for the nomination

Three republican losers all in a row . . . . want to send the GOP down in FLAMES, here's three possibilities on how to do it.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Sen. John F Kerry, Sen. John Edwards

Been there, done that, went home . . . they won't do it again. . . . at least Edwards won't . . . he got smacked down pretty good in NC too . . . couldn't even carry his own state . . . not happening.

NOW . . . what I would LIKE to see . . . McCain/Bayh. That won't happen of course - but thats a winning ticket - beyond all the partisan bullshit of course.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 5):

O'bama should be the front runner. I'd vote for him (sadly, I'll be a year off in 2008, dammit!)

I tend to like Obama . . . but he's still wet behind the ears, no military experience, he's still feeling his way around Capitol Hill . . . he needs to wait.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 6):
McCain is too liberal

Spoken like a true Neo-Con . . .

That, Jetjeck is EXACTLY what the Oval Office needs, whether it be a Republican that is too liberal or a Democrat that is too conservative, the Oval Office NEEDS someone that can sit in the middle rather than the current or past Uber-left or Uber-right that is ripping the country to shreds . . .
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:48 am

If either party grows some balls and selects an actual 'moderate' they'll win in a walk.

I think the American people are sick and tired of The Commies (far left Dems) and Fascists (far right Repubs) running the joint.

I'm voting for whoever's the most in the middle.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 9):
I'm voting for whoever's the most in the middle.

That's what a lot of people thought they were doing in 2000. Remember "uniter not a divider"? "Compassionate conservative"? Boy did he trick everyone.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 4):

Now after seeing that list...

Who I'd vote for

Democrats:
Evan Bayh
Wesley Clark
Russ Feingold
Barack O'bama

Republicans:
Rudy Giuliani
Mick Huckabee
Tom Tancredo
Bill Owens
Mark Sanford

btw, please keep Clinton and Rounds away from the ballot.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):

NOW . . . what I would LIKE to see . . . McCain/Bayh. That won't happen of course - but thats a winning ticket - beyond all the partisan bullshit of course.

Again, flip it  Wink
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Spoken like a true Neo-Con . .

Hey, hey, hold up there. I'm only stating the reasons the RNC won't nominate him. Not my opinion of him
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 13):
Hey, hey, hold up there. I'm only stating the reasons the RNC won't nominate him. Not my opinion of him

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Understood . . . .

You're right. The RNC won't get near him . . .

And that's a problem. I think McCain COULD win the big chair, but with the ridiculous partisanship on both sides of the aisles these days he'll have a hell of a time getting the nod.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
And that's a problem. I think McCain COULD win the big chair, but with the ridiculous partisanship on both sides of the aisles these days he'll have a hell of a time getting the nod.

Could win, if the all the moons would align. McCain would ultimate weapon, with Guiliani as a running mate. That would be an unstoppable ticket. But it will never happen. A moderate Republican(McCain), with a pro-choice former NY mayor, never in a million decades. The RNC can't get beyond the Moral Majority.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:44 pm

Will Obama Run In 2008??

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 16):
Will Obama Run In 2008??

At this point he has not formed an exploratory committee or expressed any desire to run. In fact he has said several times that he will not run in 2008. However I think he may be a candidate for VP yet, despite his relative inexperience.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:15 pm

I still think Gov. Mark Warner is the one to watch. He was an immensely popular and productive Democrat governor in a generally conservative state. And managed to get a lot of stuff done, including tax reform, with an assembly that was odds with each house (younger more conservative house and older more moderate senate). There is no doubt that he will be in the running. If the DNC leadership is smart (that is debateable) they'll be supporting him early on and put the kibash on those senators vying for the White House.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 18):
I still think Gov. Mark Warner is the one to watch.

Yup, him and a couple others are Democrats to watch (Richardson of NM especially). Look for Kathleen Sebeelius, Kansas' Governor, to be at the top of the list of Vice Presidential candidates. Will come up with a better list a little later.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 2):
a 3rd-party candidate with good character come along who could appeal to the minority voters

Ralph Nader
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and for the Democratic ticket
Hillary Clinton
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:57 am

There is a billboard in the slums of Baltimore touting Hillary in 08'.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 18):
Gov. Mark Warner

Put him on the national stage and watch his platform change. In order to be electable he will have to make himself more liberal. He raised taxes in VA when he was governer, so it's possible he'll do it again, if he gets in the White House.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
So Who Is Running In '08?

Me - to Canada if the Republicans win again..

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 6):
McCain is too liberal, he's a polarizing figure and won't win any favours from his antics the last few years.

McCain has been cozying up to the fundies lately, in a pretty transparent attempt to shore up a weakness with the rest of the Republican party. Although he is on the other side of the aisle, I used to respect McCain as somebody who would never pander and kiss ass to get votes...now, he's just like the rest.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
I doubt Romney can get the nomination because of the Mormon factor which doesn't play well with the far right base;

Not to mention he is a fairly liberal Republican from a very liberal state. His attempts to switch positions on hot button issues like stem cells and abortion are not going to fool anybody. (can you say flip flop boys and girls?) He will get killed in the south.

Same for Gulliani. Primaries are all about playing to the base, and the Republican base does not love Gulliani. He can trot out 9/11 all he wants, but when values voters get a wiff of his positions on social issues, he'll go down in flames.

For the Democrats; I agree with ANCFlyer (it hurt a little bit to type that wink  Wink It is too soon for Obama. If he runs he could end up like Edwards, someone with a bright future well behind him. He's young, he has time, he should wait. I'm interested in Bayh, Richardson, and Warner; and like Texan I have an eye on Sebeelius, as well as Janet Napalotano (Governor of AZ) Of course my hart is with fellow cheesehead Russ Feingold. I would proudly follow that man into hell wearing my "Russ Feingold for President" T-shirt I picked up in Madison a few weeks ago. But I don't think he could get any traction nationally unfortuantely.

Gore and Kerry had their chance and they blew it. If they had the balls that they have now back when they were running, history might be a little different. But they didn't and now they should stick to other projects.

I have no love for Hillary, but with all the money she has raised she may be unstoppable. However she is just another Democrat with no convictions, and we've seen how well those candidates do.
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 11):
Tom Tancredo

This man would get my vote in a second. He actually seems to have a soul left. Quite surprising for a politician.

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 23):
McCain has been cozying up to the fundies lately, in a pretty transparent attempt to shore up a weakness with the rest of the Republican party. Although he is on the other side of the aisle, I used to respect McCain as somebody who would never pander and kiss ass to get votes...now, he's just like the rest

Most true, but he's also getting very uppity as of late, or so it seems to me.  Smile Nah, that's just because I'm in his state now. Oddly enough, I can see him pulling a lot of swing votes from the Dems, and getting a "lot" of votes from younger people, who admire his service.

I would not vote for him due to his more and more frequent swinging values. Too much urge to win instead of standing up for what he believes in.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
That, Jetjeck is EXACTLY what the Oval Office needs, whether it be a Republican that is too liberal or a Democrat that is too conservative, the Oval Office NEEDS someone that can sit in the middle rather than the current or past Uber-left or Uber-right that is ripping the country to shreds . . .

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20):

Ralph Nader

didn't he announce he isn't running in 2008?

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 23):
Janet Napalotano

ehh, disagree with you on this one. Napolitano (correct spelling) just seems like someone who would put health and education over security and public services (other then schools) to the extreme. Maybe Secretary of Education, but not pres/vice-pres

Quoting Texan (Reply 19):
Kathleen Sebeelius

Although a good choice, she's more motivated to become a senator then a president (it has been rumored she'll try and challenge Sam Brownback in 2010 or take his seat if he does challenge and win the election)
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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 2):
O'bama



Quoting Piercey (Reply 5):
O'bama



Quoting Piercey (Reply 11):
O'bama

It's Obama. No apostrophe. He's not Irish.

I like him, though I think he took the wrong course to being president. It is a sad state of affairs that the system seems to favor candidates from lower executive branches who don't have deal with having a voting record, but that's the way it is.

That's the problem the Dems have. A lot of their good candidates are from the legislative branch.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 21):
Put him on the national stage and watch his platform change. In order to be electable he will have to make himself more liberal. He raised taxes in VA when he was governer, so it's possible he'll do it again, if he gets in the White House.

That legislation was passed by the heavily Republican Virginia House and Senate, not Warner himself. Sorry to burst your bubble. He is also a pro-gun, pro-death penalty moderate with great appeal to moderate Republicans, he's a Southern governor, and he's a likeable guy. He is who the moderates in the party want and he will have good backing. He had record approval ratings in Virginia (75% favorable, according to the Richmond Times Dispatch), which is heavily Republican as previously stated, named one of the five best governors in the US by Time Magazine in 2005, and is thought to be able to bring in the Southern vote to the Democrats. Warner is as strong a candidate as the Democrats currently have, and is a decent bet to receive the nomination.

Now on to some of the others:

- Hillary Clinton (Senator, NY) has the support of feminist groups and many liberal Democrats. She has been losing favor in some quarters of the Democratic Party for various reasons, and is also thought to bring too much baggage into the campaign. Basically the Dems are afraid it will just turn into another Clinton-fest. Although it is not out of the realm of possibility (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, anyone?), I would not give her the best odds for the nomination.

- Russ Feingold (Senator, WI) is who I would absolutely love to see elected President, which means he has no chance in hell  Silly I love Russ. He speaks his mind, is willing to stand up for what he believes is right regardless of what the party or the majority want him to do, and he is one of the few politicians who actually makes me think they care. That said, his political ideology is almost as far to the left as mine, which, while still electable in and of itself, coupled with his being divorced and non-Christian, will make him unelectable on a national level. Which I think is too bad and is something that some people thank god for every night!

- Bill Richardson (Governor, NM) is another potential candidate I'd like to see make a run. He should be able to capture a good portion of the moderate vote, has had decent success on voter turnout and education iniatives in New Mexico, and is just an overall likeable guy. However, I do not believe he will throw his hat in the ring. He truly believes he has a duty to better New Mexico first, and once he has done that he may consider running for President.

- Tom Vilsack (Governor, IA) is another moderate Dem, this one from the Midwest, another area targeted by Democratic campaign people. He has strong support in Iowa and Missouri and could potentially be a dark horse candidate. He is a pretty soft spoken guy from what I remember, but also the nicest politician I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Probably will not get the nomination but could be a solid Vice Presidential candidate, maybe 2nd to Kathleen Sebeelius.

- Joe Biden (Senator, DE) has a better chance of winning than Christopher Dodd (Senator, CT) or I have of winning, but that may be about it. I like Joe but he is not electable on a national stage. The only people on the Dems list who have a chance for the nomination and are not Governors are Hillary, Kerry, and maybe possibly Bayh. I don't think Obama will run this time around. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

- John Kerry (Senator, MA) could run again and show that he now has the personality of a tree instead of a rock. Nice guy and the plans he somewhat broadly described on his website were a nice place to start, but he refused and still refuses to come up with any real plans of his own. It is great to tell us that you have a plan, it's a better plan, a plan that will put America ahead, but how the heck can we believe you when we don't know what the plan is?

- Evan Bayh (Senator, IN) I do not know much about. He appeals to moderates and Republicans and could help with the Midwest vote, and that's about all I know about him. One of my conservative friends in Indiana likes him a lot and hopes he'll run.

- Newt Gingrich (Idiot, GA) is my dream Republican candidate. He has no chance. He might be the only national figure the Republicans could choose that Hillary would beat in a landslide. Hey everybody, let's revist the 1994 elections!

- Mike Huckabee (Governor, AR) could be a solid choice for Republicans. He is not a neo-Con, he was elected to statewide office in Arkansas, one of the few Southern states that consistently goes Democratic (Huckabee is only the 3rd Republican governor since reconstruction). He has dramatically improved the health insurance, state park, highway, and education systems in Arkansas. In addition, he was extremely helpful during the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. He does lean toward the socially Conservative side which frightens me a little, but I could potentially see myself voting for him over some Democratic contenders. ANC, if you are looking for a moderate Republican, just remember his tagline: I Heart Huckabee.

- Mitt Romney (Governor, MA) is the Republican governor of a state that has had a Kennedy in office for as long as anyone can remember. Nationally not well known, falling poll numbers in MA from what I hear (correct me if I'm wrong). Could receive the nod in an effort by Republicans to gain some ground in the Northeast, but I doubt they would choose Romney.

- George Pataki (Governor, NY) is another name you will hear a lot throughout campaign season. A recognizable Republican from the Northeast with a decent record who could help deliver Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Also would put up strong numbers in New York. However, New York typically goes strongly Democrat in national elections.


Now just some general notes. I've mentioned Kansas governor Kathleen Sebeelius in multiple posts as a possibility for Vice President on the Democratic ticket. I think there are only two situations where she is not asked to be VP: Hillary (let's face it, the US is not ready to elect a female President and Vice President at the same time, even if they might be the most qualified people) or Vilsack (both Pres. and VP candidates targeting the exact same area of the country is not necessarily a winning strategy). Kathleen has earned rave reviews from Kansas Republicans who are not overwhelmingly socially conservative. She has been amazingly bipartisan in selecting people to serve in various appointed capacities, choosing people who will do the job correctly and will report honestly to her regardless of party affilliation. If she and Warner were on the same ticket or she and Richardson, I think the Dems would win handily.

Obama's name has also been tossed out there as a potential Presidential nominee. Much as I like him, I do not think he would receive the party's nod just yet. He does not have much experience and it scares a lot of the Dems in power (i.e. the ones who choose who the candidates will be). He still could announce intent to run and end up winning, I just do not see it as being likely at this time. He could be strong VP material, though. Whomever wins the nomination on the Democratic side will be using Obama to the best of his or her ability, though. He is an excellent public speaker and is able to make that instant connection with most audiences.

Ok, rambled on enough here. Hope this helps. Obviously not all candidates were covered and not all the candidates covered were covered thoroughly, but thought this might be a little bit of help to some who wanted a general overview of some of the big players in 2008.

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RE: So Who Is Running In '08?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 28):
He is also a pro-gun, pro-death penalty moderate with great appeal to moderate Republicans

He almost pulled a George Ryan while he was in office. I imagine he didn't have the support considering VA is 2nd or 3rd behind Texas in executions. When he was in office, it was only the tax increase that turned me off. Other then that, he pretty much didn't draw much attention. Either way, in order to gain the approval of some democrats, he is going to have to change his position on a lot of things, as did Clinton, and Gore.
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