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Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:30 pm

So check this out... my friend and I had just gotten home from the bar (I was the DD; i.e. Designated Driver - not drinking) and were playin' a bit of Nintendo. He was just getting up and saying he was headed home when 5 shots rang out. I immediately knew they were shots and was moving for my personal weapon. Jake thought it was fireworks and that I was overreacting. Nevertheless, I thought it would be a prudent precaution. While peeking out the front window, within a minute there were several police cars on the scene. Within 3 minutes, practically the whole bloody SLCPD was there. Needless to say, my friend's car was within the taped-off evidence area and he wasn't going anywhere.

Being the curious cats we are, after a few minutes of stability, we ventured out to get a peek. We came out to find a dead body less then 50 yards (!) from my front door.

Turns out he was killed by a police officer and rightly so, but it's still a scary turn of events, nevertheless.

http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_4351991

So should I be thinking about moving? Or is that not the answer, running away? I think the best policy is for me to stand my ground and not run from these things. I've taken the neccessary steps to protect myself (a personal sidearm) and my home (deadbolts). I think I can take care of myself. I'll leave the rest up to fate. Thoughts?
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:08 am

Dude,

Do you live in a crappy neighborhood? If you do then just take the necessary precautions and pay attention to your surroundings.

If you live in crack alley for some reason other than investment then perhaps you should reconsider your choice of neighborhood.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
Do you live in a crappy neighborhood? If you do then just take the necessary precautions and pay attention to your surroundings.

If you live in crack alley for some reason other than investment then perhaps you should reconsider your choice of neighborhood.

It's slightly marginal, but it's not that bad. It's close to downtown, the particular duplex is in decent shape, and as a young, single, recent college-grad; it's what I can afford. It's not a place I'd even consider raising kids, but I'm a big guy, I can handle it.

So right now, it meets my needs. Even if it is occasionally a bit messed-up.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:32 am

Hey Steve


("She said gunfire won't chase her from the neighborhood.
"It is going to happen in every neighborhood," she said. "I don't care where you live. I've been here nine years and I plan on staying." )

I think this says it all. Stay put.

Cheers

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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:36 am

Just be aware of your surroundings at all times.

When I was a student at USC, I lived off-campus in a South Central neighborhood for a couple years, as did many of my friends.

Just know who's around you and what's going on when you're outside, especially at night.

I and my friends were also on decent terms with the neighbors. Chances are, most of the people are not looking for any trouble.

I'm not a particularly intimidating guy at all, but I never had any trouble.

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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
(a personal sidearm)

Glad you didn't grab your piece and run outside. It might have been you lying by your front door, in a case of mistaken identity.
 
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:11 am

I guess I used to be naive, but I didn't realize until recently how often potential theft and robbery occurs.

I live in a fairly nice neighborhood (mostly professionals) but there are a few "questionable" apartments in the surrounding area, and a crack-house kind of neighbhorhood a few blocks away.

This morning my fiance discovered someone had rifled through his car last night. (He had left it unlocked--his bad.) A few weeks ago something worse happened: my female neighbor awoke to some guy trying to break into her patio door. She screamed and scared him off before calling the police. I shudder to think what would have happened to her and her 10 year old daughter otherwise.

I guess I'm saying that it happens frequently enough and in decent places, and you simply can't alter your lifestyle to avoid trouble. (That said, there ARE neighborhoods I flat out would not live in.)

[Edited 2006-09-18 18:15:43]
 
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 5):
Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
(a personal sidearm)

Glad you didn't grab your piece and run outside. It might have been you lying by your front door, in a case of mistaken identity.

I'm not THAT stupid. With cops on the scene that quickly, I knew that would have things taken care of soon enough. I just wanted to be prepared in case it came my direction. I was smart enough to stay put just inside the front door..
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
So should I be thinking about moving?

One less scumbag is out there, and it should leave a message. Stay where you are.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:48 am

Not to make light of it or anything, the bottom line is it does and can happen anywhere at anytime.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:50 am

I'd stay right where I was. I've had 2 break in at my house at university, but that's just kids jacking TV's and crap. But I wouldn't move. If you have your sidearm and apparently pretty quick responding police I'd stay. Don't let criminals decide your life for you, especially if it was a fairly isolated event. Who's to say that a nut job won't try to break into your new place if you choose to move.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:54 am

Well, police were on the scene in one minute. What more can you ask for? They've done their part, and you were prepared to do yours. Now, how proficient are you with your sidearm?

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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 10):
and apparently pretty quick responding police I'd stay

I was thinking that same thing when it was first happening. I was like "They're here already? Man.. they're like stink on shit!"

Now that I know a little more about it, it makes sense. There was already a pursuit in progress, so multiple units were already in the area. And I'm sure as soon as the "Shots fired" call went out over the radio, every cop in a 5-mile radius went Code 3 and was there in minutes.

I don't mourn this particular miscreant's passing. And it's just coincidental that this happened the night before I took the class for my Utah CCW (Concealed Weapons permit). In an uncertain world, people can ultimately only depend on themselves. I'm just glad that I live in a Castle Doctrine state, not one of these "Duty to Retreat" BS states.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 11):
Now, how proficient are you with your sidearm?

I've been to the range 4 or 5 times in the last 2 months. Probably close to 1000 rounds downrange.

Saturday, ran through the steel targets on the run at 15 yards. Got all 7 with a 12-round mag. (A couple required several hits to go down.)

Then we ran the hostage drill (where the head of the "bad guy" is over the shoulder of the sillouette of the "hostage". In 10 seconds I took down all 7 bad guys at 15-yards without hitting any victims. So I think I'm getting decent... Still some work to do, but I'm getting decent.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:46 am

You need to follow what you believe. If you think this was an 'isolated incident' then stick around, but if you notice police cars around all the time and murder/violence as a constant, get the fluck out of dodge.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:13 am

Stevie, crap happens everywhere...I think you know that in my nice little neighbourhood in semi-rural Seattle suburbs we had two cars stolen on our street and a home invasion nearby. This is a neighbourhood with houses in the $500,000 - $1M range. You'll never be 100% safe anywhere, so take the necessary precautions and stay there.

Unless you get to the point where you feel unsafe taking out the garbage or just in your house, for example. Those sorts of things would make me leave because they would diminish my quality of life.
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 15):
Stevie, crap happens everywhere...I think you know that in my nice little neighbourhood in semi-rural Seattle suburbs we had two cars stolen on our street and a home invasion nearby. This is a neighbourhood with houses in the $500,000 - $1M range. You'll never be 100% safe anywhere, so take the necessary precautions and stay there.

This is pretty much the same where I live, and we have had what you listed, plus a gang related murder a couple years ago. The murder wasn't too unnerving, because it was by no means random. However, they did empty over 25 rounds at the guy, so it is still disturbing.

What people are trying to say, is you aren't safe wherever you live, although some places are better than others. Unless you can afford to move to a better neighbourhood, dont bother.
 
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RE: Friday Night: A Night I Won't Forget

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:18 pm

I live in apparently the best town of the Southwest(Santa Fe,NM) and best town in NM to raise a family and we had 2 murders in 2005. As said Shit happens everywhere you go. Even the suberbs.

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