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Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:55 am

did you guys see that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) invited Ahmadinejad to discuss some of his views with them. He accepted and they met yesterday at the InterContinental Hotel in New York.

Jewish groups and the Bush Admin. boycotted the event and asked if the CFR would have invited 1930's Hitler to the same event. the CFR defended the invite by noting it has, in the past, included other lunatics such as Arafat, Mugabe, Castro, and IRA political leader Gerry Adams.

Apparently, Ahmadinejad spent most of the meeting questioning the Holocuast's veracity and trying to establish moral equivalence with America by answering questions about Iran with quetions about American foreign policy.

the conclusion was disturbing...

Robert Blackwil, a former state department official said “If this man represents the prevailing government opinion in Tehran, we are heading for a massive confrontation with Iran” and Brent Scowcroft, former national security advisor, said Ahmadinejad was a "master of counterpunch, deception, circumlocution" as he shook his head in frustration.

Not good people. Not good.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/wo...868ac87af&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting TNNH (Thread starter):
"master of counterpunch, deception, circumlocution"

Sounds like the Bush administration... the point?
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:25 am

The interview I saw him was was a total crapshoot. He didn't answer a single question. All his "answers" were not direct and instead he just sidetracked every question.
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:36 am

If as Bush and the US Government claim - Ahmadinejad and his country are state sponsors of terrorism then why does he still get granted access to US to go to the UN summit? I'm playing devils advocate here - but is it purely because of etiquate that he has to be invited - because Iran are still memebers of the UN therefore they automatically get granted access?

Also, since he (Ahmadinejad) was a hostage taker in 1979 then wouldnt he technically still be classified as a criminal according to the US?


Just a thought...
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 3):
Also, since he (Ahmadinejad) was a hostage taker in 1979 then wouldnt he technically still be classified as a criminal according to the US?

Just to clarify, AFAIK it was proven that it was a different man who looked similar to him quite some time ago.

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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting TNNH (Thread starter):
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) invited Ahmadinejad to discuss some of his views with them.

What's wrong with that?

Quoting TNNH (Thread starter):
Jewish groups and the Bush Admin. boycotted the event and asked if the CFR would have invited 1930's Hitler to the same event. the CFR defended the invite by noting it has, in the past, included other lunatics such as Arafat, Mugabe, Castro, and IRA political leader Gerry Adams.

That's just not smart and shortsighted, imho. What could be better than to see and experience how crazy Ahmadinejad (or anyone from those mentioned above) is yourself, firsthand. The moral superiority of free societies as opposed to dictatorships is (should be) that they do allow dissenting opinion, regardless how stupid or bizarre it may be.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 3):
If as Bush and the US Government claim - Ahmadinejad and his country are state sponsors of terrorism then why does he still get granted access to US to go to the UN summit? I'm playing devils advocate here - but is it purely because of etiquate that he has to be invited - because Iran are still memebers of the UN therefore they automatically get granted access?

As crazy as it is you let the guy in as a show of our ability to allow folks to speak their mind and show their true craziness. Not letting him in would have been a huge black eye to us.
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting A332 (Reply 1):
Sounds like the Bush administration... the point?

What was the point of including Scowcroft's remark in my thread? Is that what you're asking me? Are you serious? You don't think that the views of a former National Security Advisor and veteran of international diplomacy are relevant to a discussion of a man many people in the west are beginning to see as a potentialy violent and highly depraved psychopath. Surprised you couldn't understand that.

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 3):
If as Bush and the US Government claim - Ahmadinejad and his country are state sponsors of terrorism then why does he still get granted access to US to go to the UN summit?

I really don't think that's an option. I think every UN recognized leader of every UN member needs to be allowed to attend the UNGA. The US however can limit his stay here to the conference and probably prevent him from leaving the city, but we've got to allow him in. As for whether he was a terrorist involved with the kidnapping, as president he has some kind of executive immunity, that may burn off when he is no longer a head of government.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 5):
What's wrong with that?

Are you asking me? I don't think this psycopath deserves any of the recognition he already gets from his worldwide series of inflamatory remarks. Why does the Council need to discuss with someone who wants to wipe another country off the map? How is this threatened destruction even compatible with the concept of "foreign relations". That's not "relations". Yeah, he can speak at the UN, but he shouldn't be granted any recognition by anyone else while he is here, he's a bad guy.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 3):
If as Bush and the US Government claim - Ahmadinejad and his country are state sponsors of terrorism then why does he still get granted access to US to go to the UN summit? I'm playing devils advocate here - but is it purely because of etiquate that he has to be invited - because Iran are still memebers of the UN therefore they automatically get granted access?

The UN has a treaty with America regarding entry to the US to attend UN conferences and access to the UN headquarters. There are also similar treaties between the Vatican and Italy (for Rome), UN and Switzerland (for Geneva), NATO and Belgium (for Brussels).

Its how Mugabe managed to attend the Pope's funeral whilst being banned from entering the EU.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad In New York

Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 3):
Also, since he (Ahmadinejad) was a hostage taker in 1979 then wouldnt he technically still be classified as a criminal according to the US?
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Just a thought...

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but a wrong thought, as he was NOT a hostage taker in 1979

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