bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:30 am

http://www.adn.com/money/industries/oil/story/8214591p-8111809c.html

Yeah yeah I know he isnt my favorite politician but Citgo is giving 100 gallons of home heating fuel for all the house holds in rural Alaska. I cant even begin to tell you folks how nice it will be to take delivery of my fuel when it gets here. It is very much needed, and will save me 500 bucks! Right now home heating diesel fuel costs $5 per gallon in my village. The 100 gal is worth probably a months worth of heat during a cold month. Say what you will about his politics, and I do realise Chavez has little to do with the decision from Citgo, but Ill gladly take the heat. Hell if OBL himself wanted to fill up my tank I would let him.
 
Zone1
Posts: 894
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:47 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:43 am

Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.
/// U N I T E D
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12425
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:47 am

I think that Bush ought to ban such deals as supports a foreign government. You should check out DrudgeReport.com - even liberal democrats are bashing Chavez for his anti-Bush bashing.
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:53 am

President Chavez also helped up out after hurricane Katrina hit us. His help was needed and shouldn't go unrecognized.
Bring back the Concorde
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
I think that Bush ought to ban such deals as supports a foreign government.

How does him giving out a few million dollars in fuel support that government? Not financially, and if you read the article, most of the people in there and myself included cringe at the connection there. But let me say this, in that one swift movement, Citgo just did more for the people of rural Alaska than the Bush tax cuts from a few years back. Rural Alaska is largely forgotten even within the state of Alaska. We have only have two strong advocates for us, Sen. Stevens and Rep. Don Young, without those two this area of Alaska would be stuck in the 1930s instead of being stuck in the 1980s. I am by no means a charity case, but last year my roommate and I split a $3k winter heating bill. I know I live in AK and its cold, but only 2 years ago it would have cost us half that much. This donation he is making truely is as close to foreign humanitarian aide as one will get in this country.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
You should check out DrudgeReport.com - even liberal democrats are bashing Chavez for his anti-Bush bashing.

I dont need to do that, I do think Chavez is a nut, I dont think this will even begin to convert any of the residents out here to become more socialistic than they already are. This in no way undermines anyones pride in being American. But we have more oil in this state than probably the rest combined. But yet in the rural areas we pay the highest prices for it easily in the nation.
 
Derico
Posts: 4209
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 1999 9:14 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:57 am

Well, not even the poor people in Venezuela or Argentina get that discount!!!

(either by him or US corporations)

edit: The Venezuelans do pay peanuts for oil though.

[Edited 2006-09-21 21:57:57]
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
 
aloges
Posts: 14842
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:38 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 1):
Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.

 rotfl  Don't you think there might just be a bit more to it than that?
Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.
 
Faustino927
Posts: 244
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
President Chavez also helped up out after hurricane Katrina hit us. His help was needed and shouldn't go unrecognized.

I will NOT support anyone who is buddy-buddy with Fidel Castro. He is a communist pig who is desperate for attention just like Fidel. Give me a break!!
It really pisses me off when people from the USA talk like you do. If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
 
slider
Posts: 6812
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:42 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
and will save me 500 bucks!

So $500 is the price of your soul....heh.
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 7):
If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.

Nah, I am afraid of those large Anacondas and crocodiles.  Smile
Bring back the Concorde
 
MKEdude
Posts: 952
Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 9:55 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 7):
It really pisses me off when people from the USA talk like you do. If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.

What an asinine statement.  sarcastic 

As Americans we will say what we want, whenever we want, no matter how many people get pissed off at it. It is our right as American citizens and if you can't accept that concept, then perhaps YOU should move to someplace where the constitution is written in pencil, and the government tells you what you can and cannot say.

As for Chavez he is a first class asshat, but then again so are most people with oil. Therefore if he is giving away free oil I won't say no.
"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 10):
As for Chavez he is a first class asshat, but then again so are most people with oil. Therefore if he is giving away free oil I won't say no.

Agreed, my dislike for Chavez is well known, but I rather take his $500 gift than have him use it in other places.

BTW, I have heard thru the news sidelines that Chavez has overextended on his oil promises, and with the continuing fall in the price, I wonder if some financial troubles will await Venezuela.
 
cedars747
Posts: 2584
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:04 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 1):
Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.

I love whores  Wink
Alex!!!
Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !Jeg har en lidenskap for luftfart!j'ai
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 7):
It really pisses me off when people from the USA talk like you do. If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.

So anyone who is a dissenter should be forced out of the country? And how can you blame anyone for accepting help from an outside government when our own is unable/unwilling to help thier OWN citizens. Thats like telling the Somalians or wherever not to eat US aide food. I think GWB should have written Chavez a note saying thanks for helping out with little fan fare when Bush only wants to show up when the cameras are rolling and support inept cabinet members. I dont know if you realise the poverty that exsists in rural Alaska, it is third world in some respects. There are few jobs, minimal infastructure and commodities are greatly expensive. You come talk to me when you hunt for your food, haul your own water, pay 4.75 for a gallon of gas, $5 for diesel to keep you warm, this isnt miami pal where not having your pool heated is an inconvenience, if I dont have heat in my house I freeze to death! I struggle every day to pay my fuel bill. The fact that im going to take this donation graciously doesnt make me one bit less American than I was when I was born, 2 weeks ago, or when I die.

Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
So $500 is the price of your soul....heh.

Read above, if I run out of fuel in my tank at night and it is -40 outside, I may not wake up, so yeah you might say it is worth my life.
 
luisde8cd
Posts: 2444
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:02 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I cant even begin to tell you folks how nice it will be to take delivery of my fuel when it gets here. It is very much needed, and will save me 500 bucks!

Just great! While you will save 500 bucks which you will probably use now to buy a new TV or a new Computer, this fellow Venezuelan citizen will keep draging in Caracas's streets asking for spare change:



I'm sure that woman would appreciate those 500 bucks more than you would ever do.

These children would really love that their rural school could receive at least half of those 500 bucks you will get so that they can get decent textbooks and uniforms:



This single mother would also like to have 500 bucks to feed her children, but apparentely a citizen who lives in the most powerful nation on earth, needs it the most:



And while you enjoy those 100 galons of free heating fuel, I will apply to receive a goverment scholarship and give the money to a homeless-kids caring home which really need the money. Me and 5 other friends who don't appear in the goverment black list (a list of people who signed the petition to have a recall-election against Chavez), will try to get the money so we can give it to people who really need it.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
Just great! While you will save 500 bucks which you will probably use now to buy a new TV or a new Computer, this fellow Venezuelan citizen will keep draging in Caracas's streets asking for spare change:

Hey please dont bash me, firstly, I will actually use the access money towards gasoline, so I can go out and hunt my food gasonline is costing 4.75 a gallon here now. Though there are few beggars on the streets in the region of Alaska that I live, that is mostly because there are few streets, and if people live outside they will literally freeze to death. If one does not catch the salmon they need, nor hunt the game to eat they will starve, I have given many hundreds of pounds of food to family and friends in need. I am sorry to hear about the poverty that happens down there, please dont think I nor the native people of rural AK dont need the help either. We also in many ways feel left behind by the government and the rest of society. I would love to bring anyone who is interested here to see just what life is like in bush AK. Many many American and western citizens would be appalled by the conditions.
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):



Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 15):

I understand your point, Bushpilot, as you noted what I said in reply #11. But you must also feel Luis real pain in seeing his country being destroyed (oil production has not come up to the level it was before Chavez, so you could just imagine how Venezuela would be suffering if oil prices hadnt skyrocketed).

And unfortunately, there have been plenty of a.netters (who dont know any better) who express nothing but admiration for the man. It is very frustrating.
 
DLPMMM
Posts: 2128
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:34 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
Quoting Zone1 (Reply 1):
Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.

Don't you think there might just be a bit more to it than that?

Nope, I think Zone1 summed it up quite well.

Don't tell me that you believe Chavez has some sort of altruistic motive. If that were so, I think there are much more deserving recipients in Chavez's home country (as exemplified by Luis).
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
And unfortunately, there have been plenty of a.netters (who dont know any better) who express nothing but admiration for the man. It is very frustrating.

I certainly understand your point, I have little care for the man, I find him mildly amusing at best, I dont take him serious one bit. I do not like one bit the fact that he probably lives in great luxury and is happy to give out aide to other countries, keep in mind this is mildly familiar to someone who lives among poverty in the US, amid tax cuts for the very wealthy and two very expensive wars, the one in Iraq being totally unjustified while people in our very own country struggle every day, I see no reason we should feel the need to accept foreign aide in this country when the US government hands it out daily, but that safety net is evaporating in this country as well.
Keep in mind that Alaska is also a large oil producer, the biggest in the US. %90 of the state government revenue comes from oil, the state government had its largest budget surplus in history, but yet my community recieved less than half of the pass through money as we had in the past. Meanwhile the people in the urban areas enjoy getting roads built, the governor rides around in a private jet, and thier schools are funded %100. I see and live the inequalities of government every day. I am sorry it happens anywhere on Earth.
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13501
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I cant even begin to tell you folks how nice it will be to take delivery of my fuel when it gets here. It is very much needed, and will save me 500 bucks!

Apparently you can be bought off by foreign leaders for $500. How sad for you.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 13):
Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
So $500 is the price of your soul....heh.

Read above, if I run out of fuel in my tank at night and it is -40 outside, I may not wake up, so yeah you might say it is worth my life.

As you already mentioned, it's saving you $500 - which means if not for Chavez, you would have already been prepared to spend that $500 to ensure your continued survival anyway.

And if you weren't prepared to...well, again - how sad for you.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
FDXmech
Posts: 3219
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2000 9:48 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 12):
I love whores

Let's leave Chavez's ****** out of it.
You're only as good as your last departure.
 
travelin man
Posts: 3198
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2000 10:04 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Hell if OBL himself wanted to fill up my tank I would let him.

I really really hope this was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. If I so much as saw OBL I'd physically kill him myself. And I am being very serious. Please tell me you wouldn't take free gasoline from Osama Bin Laden.
 
UAL747
Posts: 6725
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 1999 5:42 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:00 am

I'm not a Bushy, but it was funny to see Chavez call Bush a "Devil" when he was wearing a completely red leisure suit. Quite comical.

UAL
"Bangkok Tower, United 890 Heavy. Bangkok Tower, United 890 Heavy.....Okay, fine, we'll just turn 190 and Visual Our Way
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 21):
I really really hope this was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. If I so much as saw OBL I'd physically kill him myself. And I am being very serious. Please tell me you wouldn't take free gasoline from Osama Bin Laden.

Sure Id take his gas, then Id call the authorities and collect my reward. Keep in mind we not only take gas from OBL and Chavez every day, we buy it my friend, at high profits to those people. Keep in mind it is Citgo giving the fuel, regardless, with the investments the Bin Laden family has in oil, as well as Chavez, we are paying for that each time at the pump. Just the same as when we buy just about anything from WalMart, we are supporting a Chinese government who doesnt believe in the liberties we enjoy, they take the sweat shop profits and buy US treasury bonds forcing this country more into debt. So dont jump on my back for taking much needed fuel from a guy who you give money to. There are no Citgos in AK, the fuel we use is pumped on the AK north slope, shipped to washington for refinement and shipped back as gas and diesel, an entirey domestic product.
 
Zone1
Posts: 894
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:47 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 21):
Please tell me you wouldn't take free gasoline from Osama Bin Laden.

I'd take the gas, douse him with it, and light a match.
/// U N I T E D
 
AeroWesty
Posts: 19551
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:18 am

How many gallons of heating oil would the cost of the Alaskan bridge to nowhere buy?
International Homo of Mystery
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13501
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:24 am

Just an aside - am I the only one seeing the irony in a man who just got a check for over $1100.00 from the State of Alaska Permanent Fund (paid to residents from oil revenues) complaining about the $500.00 he would have had to pay for oil if it weren't for Hugo Chavez?
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
thomasphoto60
Posts: 3716
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:04 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:33 am

As an aside, I was stunned to find out that Noam Chomsky was dead according to Chavez while reciting quotes from one of his books. He might want to brush up on his facts before making an ass out of himself......ooops....... never mind!

http://www.chomsky.info/

Thomas
"Show me the Braniffs"
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 27):
Just an aside - am I the only one seeing the irony in a man who just got a check for over $1100.00 from the State of Alaska Permanent Fund (paid to residents from oil revenues) complaining about the $500.00 he would have had to pay for oil if it weren't for Hugo Chavez?

A few notes about that, firstly I havent gotten it yet, it comes in about a month, and I put mine into an IRA, although there are plenty of people who blow thier dividend, I do not. Keep in mind, that for some families out here that is the only cash flow into thier community. Yeah a family of 5 gets 5500dollars, most use it for groceries etc. It is the same as income as any other sourse, and the IRS hits us pretty hard on the percentage they take for taxes. EA CO AS, I invite you personally, to come to my village, see what life is like here, we love living here, I never want to move, and shouldnt be forced to as has been suggested, but when you leave western Alaska I guarantee you will shake your head in disbelief at the poverty you see here. It is certainly second world poverty.
 
CastleIsland
Posts: 3212
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:40 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
Apparently you can be bought off by foreign leaders for $500. How sad for you.

In this capilist society, we are faced with bankers who charge us money to make money for themselves from it, insurance companies who charge exhorbitant rates to provide a service of entirely questionable value, and people who buy and sell real estate for great profit, at the same time, not performing any real service to fellow man. Let's talk about boards of directors of hospitals, who make decisions regarding life and death in light of their bottom line. That's a freaking humdinger. If some guy gets oil to heat his home for a month, how can you begrudge him that?

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
And if you weren't prepared to...well, again - how sad for you.

Why is it that the right is so happy to have the less fortunate out of their neighborhoods, but then acts condescending to them for not "bettering" themselves? Fact is, classes will always have to exist; it's just human nature.

I doubt Bushpilot is anything but a stand-up guy, who just happens to not make as much money as the average American. He also lives in a very harsh climate. SOMEONE has to live there!!! Or should we divest all the less fortunate areas of our country and just let the wealthy areas be considered the USA? The concept of "just better yourself and you won't need assistance" is so fucking patently absurd, that I will never understand it.

It's a damn bell curve, man, and it always will be. And for many, not for lack of trying.
"People don't do what they believe in, they just do what's most convenient, then they repent." - Dylan
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13501
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 29):
I never want to move, and shouldnt be forced to as has been suggested

I never suggested that you should move.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 29):
when you leave western Alaska I guarantee you will shake your head in disbelief at the poverty you see here. It is certainly second world poverty.

The company I work for has a proud heritage tied intimately to the State of Alaska, and believe me when I tell you that I DO understand the poverty.

Read on...

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 30):
If some guy gets oil to heat his home for a month, how can you begrudge him that?

I don't! Hell, if Hugo Chavez told me that he'd make sure I never had to pay for gasoline again, I'd be thrilled about my luck...

...but it sure as hell wouldn't buy my affections or change my opinion of the man.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 30):
I doubt Bushpilot is anything but a stand-up guy, who just happens to not make as much money as the average American.

I'm not here to debate Bushpilot's financial situation (although he certainly can't be hurting THAT badly, as he seems to have ready access to a computer and an internet connection).

My point is that while I'd be happy as could be if I didn't have to pay for gas or heating oil, I wouldn't let the sudden windfall be the determining factor in deciding what kind of person the President of Venezuela happens to be.

Hell, you've got his own COUNTRYMEN on here routinely calling him a despot! His record is shady, yet a sudden gift of $500 means the man is a peach? Come on. I'd like to think everyone here is smarter than that.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):
I'm not here to debate Bushpilot's financial situation (although he certainly can't be hurting THAT badly, as he seems to have ready access to a computer and an internet connection).

My point is that while I'd be happy as could be if I didn't have to pay for gas or heating oil, I wouldn't let the sudden windfall be the determining factor in deciding what kind of person the President of Venezuela happens to be.

Hell, you've got his own COUNTRYMEN on here routinely calling him a despot! His record is shady, yet a sudden gift of $500 means the man is a peach? Come on. I'd like to think everyone here is smarter than that.

Firstly, despite me saying that he is my new good buddy, that I actually think fondly of him, I think it is despicable what he has done to his country. I find him mildly humourous the same as I do any of the crackhead despots.
I have a full time job, and do alright for myself but I do consider myself quite lucky. But only have access to a computer and internet at work, as the connection at home is well over $100 per month, so I dont bother. All I am saying is not to bash me for taking 100 gallons of fuel, bash the people who actually buy citgo fuel, they are the ones supporting his regime.
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13501
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 32):
All I am saying is not to bash me for taking 100 gallons of fuel

I don't - in fact, I'd think you were nuts if you turned down 100 gallons of free oil. I was taken aback by the fact that this "gift" seemed to suddenly mean he was a swell guy.

Hearing that you haven't in fact been taken in by this flim-flam man removes any concern I may have had.  Smile
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):

Interesting how Chavez picks on rural Alaska where with few, very few exceptions I'll wager no one knows the guy is a fuckin' crackpot. You, my friend, should know.

Now, if the same offer were made to me - I'd tell him to keep his gawddamn fuel. First of course the obvious reasons, but secondly he's deliberately trying to look benevolent at the expense of rural Alaskans. Furthermore, there are families in other parts of Alaska - along the railbelt and road network, that could use the fuel also . . .

It's a chickenshit maneuver by Chavez to appear as though he really gives a shit.
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
scamp
Posts: 616
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:48 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
this fellow Venezuelan citizen will keep draging in Caracas's streets asking for spare change:

I hate to disillusion you, sparky, but there are people in major American cities begging for change, so don't think your "fellow Venezuelan citizen" is alone in the world. Furthermore, you sure as hell won't see the moneysucking whores in the right wing doing anything to alleviate the cost of home heating oil. That just might cut into their oil stock dividends.
If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
 
AsstChiefMark
Posts: 10465
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:14 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:51 pm

I wonder if I can get someone to fill my basement with natural gas.  Silly

Mark
Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Damned MSP...Red tail...Red tail
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:55 pm

Did anybody else pick up on the fact that he chose to announce this great offer right before freeze-up?

Kind of hard to move a fuel barge up a river when it is frozen solid.

Still take the idiots oil, but remember he is a pure bred south American dictator and didn't do this to help anybody out but his own ego.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
CastleIsland
Posts: 3212
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:40 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 34):

No desire to respond to the very crux of my message, which speaks to the very nub of societal unrest and party disent these days?
"People don't do what they believe in, they just do what's most convenient, then they repent." - Dylan
 
luisde8cd
Posts: 2444
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:02 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Scamp (Reply 35):
I hate to disillusion you, sparky, but there are people in major American cities begging for change, so don't think your "fellow Venezuelan citizen" is alone in the world.

Is that true???? I didn't know that...  sarcastic 

You are simply too short-minded to understand my post. Nothing more to add here.

Quoting Scamp (Reply 35):
Furthermore, you sure as hell won't see the moneysucking whores in the right wing doing anything to alleviate the cost of home heating oil.

That's your country's problem, you don't need a South American dictator to fix your domestic mess. Next time try electing a Democrat if you hate the rightwing politics.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 39):
That's your country's problem, you don't need a South American dictator to fix your domestic mess. Next

No we have Frank Murkowski.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 39):
Next time try electing a Democrat if you hate the rightwing politics.

Sorry Tony Knowles ain't much better.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting Scamp (Reply 35):
you sure as hell won't see the moneysucking whores in the right wing doing anything to alleviate the cost of home heating oil. That just might cut into their oil stock dividends

Is it me, or has the price of oil not gone DOWN in the last several weeks, were some like Chavez wants to keep the price high. Next time you make such a statement, at least pick a better time than when prices are going DOWN.
 
itsjustme
Posts: 2727
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:58 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 34):
Now, if the same offer were made to me - I'd tell him to keep his gawddamn fuel.

Jesus ANC, don't you ever come down off that soapbox of yours? Your response to an offer of 100 gallons of heating oil is up to you. But $500 worth of free oil may not have the same significance to you as it does to Bushpilot. Relax man.
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 30):

I doubt Bushpilot is anything but a stand-up guy, who just happens to not make as much money as the average American. He also lives in a very harsh climate. SOMEONE has to live there!!! Or should we divest all the less fortunate areas of our country and just let the wealthy areas be considered the USA? The concept of "just better yourself and you won't need assistance" is so fucking patently absurd, that I will never understand it.



Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 38):
No desire to respond to the very crux of my message, which speaks to the very nub of societal unrest and party disent these days?

I'm not sure what you're looking for here my friend . . . since I responded only to Bushpilot - who is, as you surmise, a hell of a stand up guy - and not to the balance of the posts in this thread . . .

However -

I don't bemoan Bushpilot or any other fellow Alaskan - especially those in rural (what we call Bush) Alaska - for thinking great things about the windfall of a hundred gallons of heating oil. When it's blowing and shitty and fifty below zero (F) in Dillingham this winter I'm sure Chavez's fuel will burn as warm as anyone's.

Please, read this again and save me from retyping it:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 34):
he's deliberately trying to look benevolent at the expense of rural Alaskans. Furthermore, there are families in other parts of Alaska - along the railbelt and road network, that could use the fuel also . . .

It's a chickenshit maneuver by Chavez to appear as though he really gives a shit.

Expounding on that thought . . . there are literally hundreds of thousands of people in this country that could use a hundred gallons of fuel this winter. Chavez, while a nut case, has obviously done his homework. I'll wager right now - and we can settle up in LAS  biggrin  - that 95% of Rural Alaskans didn't have a gawddamn clue who Chavez was day before yesterday. They certainly do now . . . but only in the light that he's going to try to give them 100 gallons of heating oil. They will not know his history or the fact that -despite being "elected" he's a dictator and a nut case. I'm quite sure Bushpilot would back that up . . .

Chavez is targeting an ignorant audience in hopes of appearing benevolent - by ignorant I don't mean stupid either. . . . I shouldn't have to explain that, but this is A-Net afterall.


As for Bushpilots particular financials, I have no idea. But I know mine . . . and they are fairly healthy. That said, I wouldn't accept it . . . just on principal. If my financials were in the shitter, I wouldn't accept . . . just on principal. Some things simply aren't worth the price . . .

Will I villify those that do? Nope . . . not at all. Will I still think Chavez a POS Screwball taking advantage of them . . . yes, I will.

Does that answer your concern?
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13501
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 38):
No desire to respond to the very crux of my message, which speaks to the very nub of societal unrest and party disent these days?

Sure - here goes:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 30):
In this capilist society, we are faced with bankers who charge us money to make money for themselves from it, insurance companies who charge exhorbitant rates to provide a service of entirely questionable value, and people who buy and sell real estate for great profit, at the same time, not performing any real service to fellow man. Let's talk about boards of directors of hospitals, who make decisions regarding life and death in light of their bottom line. That's a freaking humdinger.

And while you're on the soapbox you forgot to address celebrities and professional athletes who are compensated to the extremes while teachers, police officers and firefighters seldom see high wages.

BUT - while capitalism may not be perfect, it has proven to be a far better system than anything else - warts and all.

I don't see what this has to do with a self-important, delusional crackpot dictator-wannabe like Chavez trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the un and under-educated masses through bribery, though.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
BHMNONREV
Posts: 1209
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:17 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 42):
that 95% of Rural Alaskans didn't have a gawddamn clue who Chavez was day before yesterday. They certainly do now . . . but only in the light that he's going to try to give them 100 gallons of heating oil.

I think the only thing those rural Alaskans will remember is who Santa Claus was this year...

To me the most embarrassing part of this whole mess is the fact we have two American "celebrities", Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover who can't stop singing this assclown's praises. Glover, who in my book had my utmost respect for his tireless efforts to get Mandela freed in the 80's, seems to be the real attention whore here. But when you have not had a real meaningful movie role in a while I guess you will do whatever is necessary to get in the headlines..

What seems to be the problem Danny, are those "Lethal Weapon" royalties starting to dry up?
 
Faustino927
Posts: 244
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
Just great! While you will save 500 bucks which you will probably use now to buy a new TV or a new Computer, this fellow Venezuelan citizen will keep draging in Caracas's streets asking for spare change:

Luis I understand you completely. My parents left Cuba 39 years ago to escape communism and we get really angry when we see assholes like Chavez say that our President is a "devil." People in Cuba are also starving to death because of Fidel Castro. You never win in these polls because the situation in Venezuela and Cuba is our problem and not theirs. We have a totally different view. They get the free gas and our people starve to death. What can I tell you.
Saludos desde Miami,
Dios te bendiga.
Faustino  Smile
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
 
slider
Posts: 6812
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:42 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 24):

I'd take the gas, douse him with it, and light a match.

HUAH! Not only douse him with it, but pour it down his gullet too and watch OBL and Chavez go up in a blaze of immolated glory.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 25):
How many gallons of heating oil would the cost of the Alaskan bridge to nowhere buy?

Ask Uncle Ted...maybe he'll find some new ballywick with the free oil from Chavez thing.
 
CastleIsland
Posts: 3212
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:40 pm

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 42):
Chavez is targeting an ignorant audience in hopes of appearing benevolent

True.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 42):
Does that answer your concern?

It does if the issue here is Chavez being a nutjob, and not Bushpilot taking something from a nutjob.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
And while you're on the soapbox you forgot to address celebrities and professional athletes who are compensated to the extremes while teachers, police officers and firefighters seldom see high wages.

Damn straight.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
BUT - while capitalism may not be perfect, it has proven to be a far better system than anything else - warts and all.

Better doesn't mean good, and should not lead us into complacency.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
I don't see what this has to do with a self-important, delusional crackpot dictator-wannabe like Chavez trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the un and under-educated masses through bribery, though.

It doesn't, really. What it has to do with is your statement:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
And if you weren't prepared to...well, again - how sad for you.

What a condescending way to suggest to someone that it's "too bad you didn't have more money." As I said, there will always be a distribution of less fortunate, more fortunate, and a large group in the middle. Looking down on the less fortunate group is ridiculous, because, by definition, they HAVE to be there.
"People don't do what they believe in, they just do what's most convenient, then they repent." - Dylan
 
TNNH
Posts: 217
Joined: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:25 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:51 pm

look, take the oil and save your money, but just remember chavez isnt doing this because he cares about you, this is a political ploy to spite your current presidential administration.

you have to know that.
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13501
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 47):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
And if you weren't prepared to...well, again - how sad for you.

What a condescending way to suggest to someone that it's "too bad you didn't have more money."

There's a difference between "didn't have more" and "wasn't willing to spend," though - and THAT is what my point was all about there.

From his previous statement, it was obvious that prior to Mr.Chavez' acts he was going to spend $500 on heating oil to stay warm this winter to, as he said, keep him from not waking up the next day.

My point was that if this is a life or death issue and the the difference between life and death was $500 but that he WASN'T prepared to spend it (meaning he wasn't willing to - not that he didn't have it), THAT was sad.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: PacificBeach88 and 12 guests