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Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:10 am

 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:25 am



I saw this a couple of days ago, and what a hilarious piece it is. The Daily Show always does an excellent job of mocking these nutty fringe conservatives.

Edited to add the word "fringe".  Wink

[Edited 2006-09-22 00:28:41]
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:38 am

I don 't give a sh*t! You can keep your smelly tanks, crappy food and substandard accomodation- give me a bottle of Veuve, and a decent hotel room and some luxury!

I enjoyed that clip! I thought it was real to begin with and was a little shocked, but if that man is the type of person I'd come accross in the service, they can stick it where the sun don't shine!  Wink
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 2):
Raffik From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2006, 666 posts, RR: 7

Your turn Raffik,i am sure you can translate from Arabic Big grin
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 3):
Your turn Raffik,i am sure you can translate from Arabic

You know me Alex- I would have failed miserably at that test! We'd be in bed having a wild time before we even had time to get onto that striptease!
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 4):
You know me Alex- I would have failed miserably at that test!

Yes i know ,i guess an oral test is better for you  Wink
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 5):
Yes i know ,i guess an oral test is better for you

Best to stick at what I do best!
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:29 am

OMG, that was hilarious!!

I've got an idea ... why doesn't the army just open some gay bathhouses and steam rooms on base, then everyone's happy?
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
I've got an idea ... why doesn't the army just open some gay bathhouses and steam rooms on base, then everyone's happy?

It would be boring !
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:36 am

Why is it the gays who want to stay in or serve are well thought out and educated and the people who want them out of the military not-so-well thought out and seem to be uneducated?

I love the continual stereotype of gays the idiot insists is the "reality" of gay life. He needs to come from under the rock he lives under.

HILARIOUS video!!!!!!
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 8):
It would be boring !

Ooooh, you'd rather do the sauna, eh?  Wink
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:58 am

Blue is cute if thats what hes called  Smile
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Raffik (Reply 2):
I don 't give a sh*t! You can keep your smelly tanks, crappy food and substandard accomodation- give me a bottle of Veuve, and a decent hotel room and some luxury!

Ohhh, Raffik my friend, so you wanna be in the AIR FORCE do ya!?
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Ohhh, Raffik my friend, so you wanna be in the AIR FORCE do ya!?

I resent that!  Wink
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:33 am

Wow. I didn't realize most of us gays enjoyed drinking each other's piss. I must be missing out.
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
I've got an idea ... why doesn't the army just open some gay bathhouses and steam rooms on base, then everyone's happy?

They do.

Check out any bathroom @ Camp Pendleton.
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:21 pm

"I know I'd rather die in a terrorist attack than suffer an uncomfortable shower with a GAY........!!"

Lmao!!! I have a mate who is gay, whats the link to that vid? He's gotta see it!!

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
Wow. I didn't realize most of us gays enjoyed drinking each other's piss. I must be missing out.

Not even gonna start to tell you what is wrong about that.......(!) Ewwwwww!!! (That's just my opinion, don't reply with reasons why you think it's right cos I just don't wanna know!!)
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 16):
Lmao!!! I have a mate who is gay, whats the link to that vid? He's gotta see it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O5nY3Q_ZiA

One of the funniest things about the video is the way the interviewer keeps throwing the interviewee by agreeing with him. He's obviously not used to it!
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:23 pm

Damn! Youtube (as well as a lot of other sites) is censored here in the UAE so the video is not loading for me. Grrrrr.
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:39 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):

I actually think DR.Paul Camron is gay... Dunno why, but I think my "gaydar" just went beep, when he spoke about a gay raping a str8 in his sleep... Look at the way he says it and his facial expression when he says it, he looks like he likes saying it  Smile

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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting Windshear (Reply 19):
I actually think DR.Paul Camron is gay... Dunno why, but I think my "gaydar" just went beep

Why did I keep thinking of Quentin Crisp all through the interview? Mabye it's the hair . . .
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:31 pm

Paul Cameron is such a tired old queen.

Wonder if he likes his Peepee-tinis straight up or on the rocks. What a fool.
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
Wow. I didn't realize most of us gays enjoyed drinking each other's piss. I must be missing out.

That's what caught me off guard....I guess I'm a traitor drinking Crown and Coke.....
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 18):
Damn! Youtube (as well as a lot of other sites) is censored here in the UAE so the video is not loading for me. Grrrrr.

Through the magic of the web, you can download it here, which shouldn't be blocked.  Wink

http://homepage.mac.com/westy/FileSharing7.html

You'll need Quicktime to view it. MP4 format.
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:48 am

My favorite line:

"Although they have opened their ranks to the old, delinquent, and border line retarded, the military had to draw the line somewhere."

ROFL! Big grin .. That was great, thanks for sharing!
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:41 pm

As funny as that was, there is a pretty straight foward answer as to why the military doesn't want gay's in their ranks. It is because a large portion of the military are white, southern, and christian raised guys. Many (not all, not stereotyping) are raised to disaprove of gays, and taught to think negatively aobut them. More often then not, jokes between the guys include calling each other gay as a major insult. It's the just the mindset. Put a bunch of gays into that environment, and it'll mess up these guys rather simple minds.

 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting Jalto27R (Reply 25):
It is because a large portion of the military are white, southern, and christian raised guys. Many (not all, not stereotyping) are raised to disaprove of gays, and taught to think negatively aobut them. More often then not, jokes between the guys include calling each other gay as a major insult. It's the just the mindset. Put a bunch of gays into that environment, and it'll mess up these guys rather simple minds.

If you ever get a chance, read Secrets of a Gay Marine Porn Star by Rich Merritt. He found exactly what you are talking about: homophobic jokes about gays from guys who regularly had sex with other men, but who would never see themselves as being gay.
 
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Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:22 am

When I first saw this, I thought it was hilarious, especially since I thought all of it was set up (it being from Comedy Central and all). But now it appears this Cameron type is actually for real, and means those things??? Including the 'drinking each other's urine' thing??? What a fool!

And good on Comedy Central for ridiculing him!
 
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Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 27):
But now it appears this Cameron type is actually for real

Cameron is very real, and every bit the idiot he comes off on screen. Unfortunately he's also got access to a lot of money and media, so he's very effective at spreading his bile.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 27):
And good on Comedy Central for ridiculing him!

I think the true measure of how totally clueless a tool like Cameron is, is agreeing to an interview with Comedy Central, not realizing just how bad he's going to be made to look. Long live The Daily Show!
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Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 28):
I think the true measure of how totally clueless a tool like Cameron is, is agreeing to an interview with Comedy Central, not realizing just how bad he's going to be made to look. Long live The Daily Show!

A while back they had a guy named Bo Dietl who made some pretty outrageous statements, and came out looking like a nutcase. I thought he was a fake, but turns out he's also been on the major news networks - particularly FOXNews (there are some videos out on YouTube). He also came back on the Daily Show - I have no idea why.

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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:59 am

OK....so here's where I stand on gays..... er...I mean here's where I sit on the gays....oh..wait...I mean..... I got it...here's where I poke my nose into the gays......damn!!! that's not what I meant!!!




I'm ok with gays in the military as long as they segregate showers by sexual orientation. I think that people attracted to women should shower together and people attracted to men should shower together....I want to shower with the lesbians....damnit!

I actually don't give a shit whether the people are gay or straight....I do think that homosexual activity in the military should be treated in the same manner as any other fraternization. Unit cohesiveness is paramount, and sexual reality within units causes real problems. This goes for hetero as well as homo sexual/romantic relationships.


That video is funny as hell.
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:24 am

Well I have a serious question and was just curious what the answer would be....


IF there were ever a major global conflict, i.e. another world war III and there was a draft, would one be exempt in the draft if they told the officer they were gay straight up? What happens if many use that line who are not gay? Seems like it would be a big catch 22 to the army in this day in age...
 
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Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 31):
Well I have a serious question and was just curious what the answer would be....


IF there were ever a major global conflict, i.e. another world war III and there was a draft, would one be exempt in the draft if they told the officer they were gay straight up? What happens if many use that line who are not gay? Seems like it would be a big catch 22 to the army in this day in age...

Very thought provoking question...
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 30):
....I want to shower with the lesbians....damnit!

 checkmark  ...exactly.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 30):
I actually don't give a shit whether the people are gay or straight....I do think that homosexual activity in the military should be treated in the same manner as any other fraternization. Unit cohesiveness is paramount, and sexual reality within units causes real problems. This goes for hetero as well as homo sexual/romantic relationships.

Well said. I don't care who you want to diddle as long as it doesn't affect your ability to do your job. Take your job as a soldier seriously, and who you choose to sleep with is nobody's business but your own.

Gays in the military; no problem. People in the military, gay or straight, who endanger others because they are preoccupied with sexual adventure; big problem.
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Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:32 am

My x-boyfriend is in the Airforce National Guard as well as a police officer. He is more manly than many straight guys I encounter and I think it is bullshit that he has to keep his sexual-orientation a secret. I wanted to join the Air Force when I was 18, but I dont have the courage to keep my "secret" a secret, so you lose Uncle Sam! I can always join the French Foreign Legion!

BTW, are there any other Log Cabin Republicans on here?!  Smile
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Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 34):
BTW, are there any other Log Cabin Republicans on here?!

Another oxymoron.

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 34):
I wanted to join the Air Force when I was 18, but I dont have the courage to keep my "secret" a secret, so you lose Uncle Sam!

It will always be a shame that the US loses quality people, educated people, people the government needs to keep "freedom and democracy" alive, all because they are gay.

Apparently liberty and justice for all came with an asterisk (meaning: not all citizens of the US are included).
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 35):
Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 34):
BTW, are there any other Log Cabin Republicans on here?!

Another oxymoron.

Not at all. Who says one cannot be both republican in values and a homosexual. Can a democrat not be for gun rights? Just because I dont agree with everything my party typically stands for, I still identify with them more than with democrats.

I value small government, religious freedom, low taxes, right to bear arms, right of unborn children to life, the right to the PURSUIT of happiness, NOT the guarantee, etc.
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 36):
Just because I dont agree with everything my party typically stands for, I still identify with them more than with democrats.

Republicans tend to be the leaders in any and everything anti-gay. Look at what is going on in Ohio with gay marriage, again.

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 36):
the right to the PURSUIT of happiness, NOT the guarantee, etc.

Then why does everyone else get that guarantee? Why should some people pursue it and others get it? How equal is that? I don't want to be rich, I don't want to own all the land. I don't want to own companies. I want, simply, what others are afforded. This way when I get happens, it means THAT much more to me.

I want my marriage to be recognized. I want my husband to be taken care of when I die with regards to my social security and my retirement from my company THAT I EARNED. I want to have healthcare for me and my husband no matter where I live or who I work for. I want to be sure that I will not be discriminated against solely on the fact I am gay. I want to know I cannot be fired because I am gay.

That may come off as whiny, but stiff bikkies, every non-gay person in the US is guaranteed that. And more. Gays have to have laws passed. Equal?

All men are created equal. (Declaration of Independence) Liberty and justice for all. (Pledge of Allegiance) Equal protection under the law. (Fourteenth amendment) I'll be damned to sit by and watch others be treated with full access to laws with regards to rights and I get to be a second-class citizen and not get recognized. Especially since I pay taxes, am a US born citizen and deserve equality, like everyone else entitled to it.

I vote. I write my congressmen, representatives, governor and senators. I use what little rights I have to make changes. Yet, somehow, I still can't get married, I still can't serve my country, I still don't have the right to say who gets my social security when I die, some places still won't let my husband come see me in the hospital because he is not "family".

Pursuit of happiness? Far from it.

Republicans do nothing to further the advance if civil rights with regards to gays. Democrats are just better at hiding it. You, Vanguard737, as a gay man are not granted the same rights as everyone else. You should know that.

Show me where Republicans want gays to have the same rights as the rest of the citizens of the US. Please.

I can understand you see have the same beliefs, values and ideals as Republicans, I will give that to you. One thing they have not done, is help people like you equal access and equal rights afforded the rest of US citizens. Republicans do not value your core value of who you are of what you and family mean to you. Doesn't that mean something to you? When do you come first?

The part of the Declaration of Independence where it states "all me are created equal" must have some asterisk (and I know I have said this before) that I cannot see. As a gay man and US citizen it does not include me. Or you.

Sorry for my rant all. This was not at all an attack on you Vanguard737, at all, just the HUGE injustice of it all.

Thanks for listening. Flame away.

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Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:44 am

Bill

I feel you could have saved youself much typing if you had done a search on Log Cabin Republicans.

You asked me to show you republicans that value gay rights...well...thats what the Log Cabin Republicans are, Bill!!!  Smile

http://online.logcabin.org/

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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 38):
You asked me to show you republicans that value gay rights...well...thats what the Log Cabin Republicans are, Bill!!!

Vanguard,

I had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

But the Log Cabin Republicans are a HUGE minority within the party. You mean to tell me that GOP is warm and fuzzy with the LCR? All warm and fuzzy with the idea of equality? Then why is the GOP (the LCR party leadership) all for anti-gay issues? (Like what is going on in Ohio?)

Republicans as a whole aren't. I would at least expect the LCR to be.

Thanks, Vanguard

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Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 38):
You asked me to show you republicans that value gay rights...well...thats what the Log Cabin Republicans are

Unfortunately, while I laud their idealism, the LCRs have absolutely no influence on the Republican party, in fact they are pretty much pariahs. The ones that do control the party, the neocons and religious right, are mortal enemies to all things gay. So, while its one thing to support conservative values (which I do in many areas, for a big city fag, I'm fairly conservative), supporting a party that actively seeks to deny you the same rights and privileges as others, is difficult to understand.
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
You mean to tell me that GOP is warm and fuzzy with the LCR?

Hmmm, to be honest I don;t ever recall saying that  Smile I was merely answering your request: "Show me where Republicans want gays to have the same rights as the rest of the citizens of the US. Please."  Smile

That is also why I do not donate to the mainline GOP.

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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
But the Log Cabin Republicans are a HUGE minority within the party.

So are the closet cases in the catholic church, apparently - it has never kept them from being violently homophobic, quite the opposite, in fact!
 
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 41):
Hmmm, to be honest I don;t ever recall saying that I was merely answering your request: "Show me where Republicans want gays to have the same rights as the rest of the citizens of the US. Please."

That is also why I do not donate to the mainline GOP.

G'night from Chicago!

I wasn't implying you had. I meant Republicans as a whole, not a small minority.  Smile

You most definitely showed me a small faction. Too bad the whole picture doesn't agree with what the LCR stand for.

'night Vanguard

(No hard feelings, please, between us. This is just a forum to discuss and I am very open to and welcoming of other views.)
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RE: Why Gays Should Not Serve In The Army

Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 43):
(No hard feelings, please, between us. This is just a forum to discuss and I am very open to and welcoming of other views.)

No hard feelings at all!  Smile

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