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Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:16 am

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, at a meeting with members of the Church of New York, said that the mission of all prophets was to direct man to perfection.
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Concerning slogans such as "Down with the US" raised by Iranians, he said that there was no cause for anger as they are not addressed to the American nation but to the aggressive, unjust, warmongering and bullying US policies.
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According to a report published Thursday by IRNA, the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life. In this relation, he referred to the offer of the Iranian nation of help to the American nation when the country was severely devastated by the Katrina storm in its south which the US Administration rejected.
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:35 am

HA! And this is coming from the government that trained its masses to chant "Death to America!"?

Sorry. I think it would take a lot more than that to convince most Americans that the Iranian government likes the American people.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 1):
Sorry. I think it would take a lot more than that to convince most Americans that the Iranian government likes the American people.

And vice versa
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

History seems to think otherwise...  redflag 





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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
History seems to think otherwise...

Although I think this is bs as well, noticed how the thread was Mahmoud Ahmedinejad respects the American people, not the Iranian people respects.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
History seems to think otherwise...

History, if *fully* read will also reveal the supression and manipulation of the Iranian people by Britain and the US, there should be no need to replicate posting pics of the things like the democratic Iranian govt overthrown by the CIA coup etc. Ahmedinejad has no need to train Iranians...
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 4):
Although I think this is bs as well, noticed how the thread was Mahmoud Ahmedinejad respects the American people, not the Iranian people respects.

You gotta read the article, Piercey...

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...the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life.

I think that clears it up.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
History, if *fully* read will also reveal the supression and manipulation of the Iranian people by Britain and the US

The Iranian people have a history of their own suppression and manipulation.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 6):
The Iranian people have a history of their own suppression and manipulation.

What a way to counter my point.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life.

Didn't he also more or less call for the destruction of Israel? Aren't they Jews? Are not a good number of Americans Jews also? I wonder if he wishes them happiness and prosperity.

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Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:25 am

Iran hates the US govt but not the US people.
Reading a.net, it seems that the US hates both the Iranian govt. AND the Iranian people...

But for Ahmedinejad to say what he said, I really wonder what made him say that? I know, HE READ A.NET NON_AV threads! Hehehehe

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 2):
And vice versa
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huh?
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:33 am

Hitler respected the American people, at least those of Aryan ancestory, so big deal.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Concerning slogans such as "Down with the US" raised by Iranians, he said that there was no cause for anger as they are not addressed to the American nation but to the aggressive, unjust, warmongering and bullying US policies.
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According to a report published Thursday by IRNA, the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life. In this relation, he referred to the offer of the Iranian nation of help to the American nation when the country was severely devastated by the Katrina storm in its south which the US Administration rejected.

How does 'death to america' fit into that? I do not think the Iranian man in the street is making any fine distinctions-least of all Mr. Ahmadinejad who claims he wasn't in on the sacking of the embassy and the kidnaping of a good number of Americans...despite hte well publicized picture

On the other hand, the Canadians pitched in and got a few of our folks out under the noses of the mullahs and their thugs...thanks, eh?
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People
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History seems to think otherwise...

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HISTORY indeed ! This was more than 280 months ago. Some 65% of the Iranians are less than 30 years old, and therefore in those times were small children at best.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
call for the destruction of Israel?

is Israel part of the USA ?  confused 

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
ren't they Jews? Are not a good number of Americans Jews also?

he urged the Israelis to get relocated to Europe or America to establish their "State of Israel" there  duck 

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
I wonder if he wishes them happiness and prosperity.

of course, just as above
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 10):
huh?

Sorry,i think it would take a lot more than that to convince most Iranians that the American government likes the Iranian people
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:11 pm

I would respectfully but firmly state without equivocation that if anyone believes for a nanosecond that Ahmadinejad has any scintilla of respect for the American people that they are brainless.

This is all a well crafted PR machine. A ploy. How can everyone not see how transparent this is?

It's a divide and conquer tactic as old as propaganda itself.

How can a man who spews vitriolic hatred of America, has aided, abetted, sponsored, funded and enabled terrorists, anti-American outfits and has a formal stance against the USA NOT hate Americans?

We ARE America. All of us Americans. There is no America without the Americans who make it the country it is. It is insulting to everyone's intelligence that people would listen to this whackjob.
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
How can a man who spews vitriolic hatred of America, has aided, abetted, sponsored, funded and enabled terrorists, anti-American outfits and has a formal stance against the USA NOT hate Americans?

Do you have children? If so, perhaps you've noticed that there are days when you virtually hate everything they do. Nevertheless, you still love them. Likewise, you can like a people and hate their government's policies. Among people who live overseas and who are smart enough to tell the difference, what America does in the Middle East does not represent the American people.

Get over yourself - it isn't AMERICANS or WHAT AMERICA IS that people are angry about, although it no doubt makes you want to masturbate to think the world is jealous of America. IT IS WHAT AMERICA DOES IN THE MIDDLE EAST that angers people and causes hate.*

Only American policy in the Middle East has generated terrorism, nothing else.

If you don't want terrorism, change ME policy and stop killing Arabs/Muslims. The rest of the world, and several prominent Americans, see the American people as perfectly acceptable, but governed by a regime bought and paid for by outside interests.**

US Policies, like supporting the murderous Shah of Iran and thwarting Iranian democracy, is what causes anti-US sentiment in Iran and elsewhere.

Cairo

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:34 pm

I wish Khatami was still the Iranian president... *sigh*
While most of the problem in Islamic countries is about Islamofascism, Iran I think has gone totally the other way to Islamo-neo-radical socialism... Somehow Ahmedinejad gives me that impression... "The revolution of the Engineers" makes me worry about the nuclear agenda... I know most of Iran wants the nukes for civilian purposes, but I don't trust the political elite on this matter.

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):
Iran hates the US govt but not the US people.

I will believe that if Iranians stop saying "Death To America" and changes it to "Death to American Government" or "Death to American Policy". Remember our government was founded "By the People, Of the People and For the People". America IS the People of America. "Death to America" is quite clearly a death threat to we, the people of the USA.

If you really believe that Ahmedinnerjacket is not talking out of his ass, I hope you learn something of this thread. The Muslim world seems to think that when they have been saying "death to America", we shouldn't take it personally. Damn right we take it personally.

When we see the overreaction on behalf of muslims over the Danish Cartoons or the Pope's comments, we can see very clearly that Ahmedinnerjacket's words are not worth the hot air he used to breath them.

Grow up, Muslim world! If you don't really want to kill us, stop saying that you want us to die. Is that so difficult a concept to grasp???

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
Only American policy in the Middle East has generated terrorism, nothing else.

Ah, this old gem. Yes, it's our fault, we're the Great Satan, we're the cause of all evil in the world, blah, blah, blah....


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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
I would respectfully but firmly state without equivocation that if anyone believes for a nanosecond that Ahmadinejad has any scintilla of respect for the American people that they are brainless.

100% true. this guy is so full of shit it stinks.
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:21 am

LOL, I won't go as far as what Cairo said, but definitely there have been some screwups and perhaps with hindsight, bad decisions during the cold war. I think the phrase to use is that the US set up many tin-pot dictatorships.

1. Supporting the Shah of Iran... whose regime pushed the people of Iran towards radicalism, for the sake of having a stable ally as a buffer between Russia and the ME oil. Result... for the greater part of the last 30 yrs, Iran has been anti-America, and only seemingly recently has it reopenened some previously closed links with the US (eg. tourism).

2. Supporting Saddam Hussein, to cover for their blunder on Iran... Again, it yielded a cruel dictator and ended up with the US having to depose him in an invasion... Iraq is now a hot issue amongs the less moderate.

3. Support for Zia-ul-Haq (and now for Musharraf?), again to extend the cover of the buffer between USSR and the gulf... again, deposing a socialist government, but ended up as an absolutist, and started turning Pakistan into more of a radical Islamic populace with his policies.

4. Support for Suharto, to ensure socialism and communism never returned to Indonesia. Sukarno's radical policies largely left alone the issue of religion, and inter-religion relations were good, and religious violence was large an economic issue (eg: the "land reform act" proposed by the communists). Suharto's regime brought about development which reached the people initially, this resulted in religion being a non-issue, however towards the end of his regime, religious leaders supported by "discontented" through inequality in development bit back. The middle class who in the past dismissed religious appearance and even moderate conservatism in the past joined the poor as they felt more left behind as new wealth no longer goes downstream but remained in the elite (and Modern Radicals formed behind the vice president BJ Habibie). Afterwards it was found that there have been allegations of killings of Islamic pacifists in the 70s accused of sheltering communists, Islamic Socialist movements, and the right wing Islamofascist minority. This resulted in a mix-match in the end of the 90s. And many saw Suharto's regime and its actions against certain sections of the Muslims as US sanctioned actions.

5. Support of the Mujahideen, was probably the largest blunder of the "Support whoever is fighting your enemy" ideology. In this case, the abandonment of the US support for the Afghanistan and the ensuing civil strife led to Afghanistan being the harbour for the discontent due to the US govt's perceived sudden change in attitude that "the Mujahideen never existed in the cold war"... That, and added with Pakistan's radicalisation thanks to Zia's policies = recipee for disaster.

And, is the US doing it again? The enemy is now the Islamofascists, the ultimate symbol being OBL and AlQaeda... So, now, the US is supporting yet another Pakistani dictator with "moderate" Islamic views... Dunno how this will turn out, but it was already too late when the Zia imposed the Islamization policy.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense... I feel like I'm talking rubbish again! Just letting out steam guys!

When it's govt. vs. govt. we've seen it before, but the current problem seemingly edging towards people vs people, citizens vs citizens, and the extreme of both sides trying to make this a civilisation vs civilisation, I'm getting worried...

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
When we see the overreaction on behalf of muslims over the Danish Cartoons or the Pope's comments, we can see very clearly that Ahmedinnerjacket's words are not worth the hot air he used to breath them.

Grow up, Muslim world! If you don't really want to kill us, stop saying that you want us to die. Is that so difficult a concept to grasp???

Agreed, the reaction to cartoons and the Pope's comments were an overreaction by your standards. Now, are you capable of addressing American overreactions?

Like, for instance, the overreaction (aka a full scale invasion) to the false "intelligence" indicating Saddam had WMD? What is the bigger over-reaction, demonstrating in the streets of Tehran by Iranians, or invading a country 7000 miles away from you that is no threat to you?

Quoting Slider (Reply 19):
Ah, this old gem. Yes, it's our fault, we're the Great Satan, we're the cause of all evil in the world, blah, blah, blah....

As in the life of an individual who accepts the bad things in his life are mostly his own fault - most of the bad things that happen bad in the national life of America or any nation is because of what that nation itself has done. No one is picking America randomly off the map. Policies that kill Muslims get you Muslims killing Americans* - it is really quite simple.

Get out of America and come to the ME and see for yourself.

Cairo

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
Do you have children? If so, perhaps you've noticed that there are days when you virtually hate everything they do. Nevertheless, you still love them.

What would a culture that straps explosive vests on their children know about love of children? Is it done to make a better world? How can you believe that? If the beheaders in Iraq, the suicide bombers in Palestine, the hijackers around the world win this struggle the world they create will be exactly like the methods they use to create it - all about murder and rule by terror. It can't work any other way no matter how badly Europe wants to believe it.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
it isn't AMERICANS or WHAT AMERICA IS that people are angry about

I have no doubt that this is true. I've never bought the "they are jealous of us" reasoning. Of course someone with no TV sees one in a shop window and it is playing reruns of "Dallas" and they might think that Americans are really wealthy, but I don't think that momentary envy would spark anything with the committment level that the terrorist movement has.

I also think that our freedom to criticise and defy church leaders is an idea that does frighten some imams in your part of the world. Not enough maybe to make them strap on the explosives, buy maybe enough for them to encourage others to do so.

No, I believe this next bit is true.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
IT IS WHAT AMERICA DOES IN THE MIDDLE EAST that angers people and causes hate.*

Chief among the things "America does in the Middle east" is guarantee the survival of Israel.

And that is the issue. It may not be the entire list, but it is the top 100 items on the list.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:23 am

Yes well, he also declare one day, that he wants to negotiate his Uranium enrichement program... Then the next he announces that Iran's enrichment program will continue no matter what, because it is the right of Iran.

He is dubious and he is only stalling for time, it is so obvious, I think we all know Middle Eastern war tactics by now, this is so so obvious!

Land for peace, was an effort made by the UK to avoid a conflict with Nazi Germany before WWII. This was the sole result of the total capitulation and occupation of Czechoslovakia... All of this was just to avoid another terrible war in Europe.

I think it is time people woke up, especially in Europe...

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
I will believe that if Iranians stop saying "Death To America" and changes it to "Death to American Government" or "Death to American Policy".

There are 65 million Iranians, if you think all of them walk out onto the streets to shout "Death to America", then you need to change your source of Middle East news. That stereotype image is the image you see in the US media propaganda machine, and that is the image you WANT to believe. Anyone who's been to Iran or has met Iranians will know they are some of the most hospitable people in the muslim world. But ofcourse i don't expect you to know that when you're surrounded by Fox news.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 23):
What would a culture that straps explosive vests on their children know about love of children? Is it done to make a better world? How can you believe that?

A stereotype given to you by those who seek agressive US policies in the Middle East, eg, the Neocons and their Israeli backers.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 23):
I have no doubt that this is true

Good, you have ability to see the other side of the story - which is quite unusual here.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 23):
nd that is the issue. It may not be the entire list, but it is the top 100 items on the list.

Quite right.

What you seem to understand is that there are valid reasons for Arabs/Muslims to be angry with America, even if you, like I, do not agree with all of the methods they use to show their anger.

When America can combine its zeal to punish the extremist murderers with an understandably painful confrontation and correction of its own policy mistakes, this whole problem can be finished.

Fighting the actual extremists is only treating the symptoms of the true underlying problem, namely US policies in the ME which do not reflect the fairness and dignity of the American people.

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 25):
There are 65 million Iranians, if you think all of them walk out onto the streets to shout "Death to America", then you need to change your source of Middle East news. That stereotype image is the image you see in the US media propaganda machine, and that is the image you WANT to believe. Anyone who's been to Iran or has met Iranians will know they are some of the most hospitable people in the muslim world. But ofcourse i don't expect you to know that when you're surrounded by Fox news.

Yes my Israeli cousin are in contact with ONE Iranian who is seeing the madness his country is doing... But he is argueing with his friends, family and teachers about their fanatical views on just about everything... You are right there are many Iranians who oppose their government, but I believe Cfalk only spoke about those active ones, you hear scream death to America... And lets not forget that this topic was about Ahmadinejad saying he respects Americans.

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
Only American policy in the Middle East has generated terrorism, nothing else.

If you don't want terrorism, change ME policy and stop killing Arabs/Muslims. The rest of the world, and several prominent Americans, see the American people as perfectly acceptable, but governed by a regime bought and paid for by outside interests.**



Quoting Cairo (Reply 22):
Agreed, the reaction to cartoons and the Pope's comments were an overreaction by your standards. Now, are you capable of addressing American overreactions?

Like, for instance, the overreaction (aka a full scale invasion) to the false "intelligence" indicating Saddam had WMD? What is the bigger over-reaction, demonstrating in the streets of Tehran by Iranians, or invading a country 7000 miles away from you that is no threat to you?

How about Mr. Atta and his unfortunate penchant for flying fully loaded airplanes into occupied structures? I mean, what the hell did he expect?
Oh...I forgot. He's not around any more. What the heck did anyone do to him and his family except expect them to behave like civilized people and work for the betterment of the world-what a waste of a master's in architecture. I understand he was quite talented, but he's vaporized now and what did he do except bring down hell on your head? And you're blaming US???

Overreactions by our standards? Sir, you are a fool and a blusterer. What in the hell does the Pope giving a speech in Germany have to do with the United States? Yet all we hear is "Death to America" and a nun-a woman-gets shot in the back...for reasons which may be obvious to you but they are not at all clear to us.

You and many others would have the entire world believe that everything all the fault of the Americans, if they'd just sod off, go home and take the jews with them everything would be peachy keen. It's patently absurd, and you're a fool if you believe this.

You've been wringing each others' necks for the last 1300 years ever since your prophet admonished his followers to spread their religion at sword's point and to kill off all the jews while they're at it as it says in the Hadiths. There's no reason to think you'll stop now. Your governments stink, they do not respect the rights of the individual to breathe, they're incapable of anything past thuggery on a grand scale, they're no better than the barbary pirates and they are an offense to the developed world.

If there were a good way to do this I'd be the first to say "Yes. Bugger off to your cesspit. Kill each other as expeditiously as possible. We'll send a check to the last survivor."



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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 25):
There are 65 million Iranians, if you think all of them walk out onto the streets to shout "Death to America", then you need to change your source of Middle East news.

I never said ALL of them do.

If you look at our extemists, like the KKK, those can be readily ignored. Whenever they have a demonstration, maybe a dozen of them show up and spout their crap in front of an anti-KKK crowd that is usually 20 times bigger, which has to be held back by the police from kicking their asses. Those are our extremists. WE hold them in check.

Whenever there are "Death To America"-fests in Iran or Lebanon, do you think there is a counterprotest going on around the block? Is it bigger or smaller?

In any case, your extremists number a lot more than a few dozen. And if you recall, it only took 19 to kill 3000 people. Today there were supposed to be close to 100,000 people chanting Death to America and Death to Israel in Beirut. Damn right those numbers worry me, because your society does not immediately mock, shun, and persecute those who behave in such a manner.

And BTW, I'll watch Fox news maybe an hour or two per month.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 22):
Like, for instance, the overreaction (aka a full scale invasion) to the false "intelligence" indicating Saddam had WMD? What is the bigger over-reaction, demonstrating in the streets of Tehran by Iranians, or invading a country 7000 miles away from you that is no threat to you?

Glad you raised that point.

Since 9/11, the US has decided that it will respond to threats, rather than ignore them. We ignored many threats before, and it cost us 3000 dead, and 46 million dead in WWII. We will respond to threats as we percieve them.

Iraq was percieved as a threat due to Saddam's rhetoric and his refusal to live up to his peace treaty obligations, as well as his proven support for terrorism (such as paying rewards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers), and the possibility that he would provide terrorists with WMDs. Now, if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck, we assume it's a duck. As it was it turned out to be an animatronic duck. Oops. But Saddam brought it on himself with his behavior. We saw a possible threat, and we acted to get rid of it.

Countries like Iran, and organizations like Hezbollah need to understand that when they chant "Death To America", we are not going to ignore it. We see it as a threat to our citizens, and we are just waiting for an opportunity to remove the threat if we can.

I know that the reason they make their people chant that stuff is that giving the people an enemy to hate is a great way of maintaining power. That has been a political strategy of authoritarian regimes for thousands of years. But it cuts both ways now. Now we have TV, and we hear those chants too. And don't think we are not listening.

And BTW, I would think that if the Arab world weren't so fond of chanting "Death to" America, or Israel, or infidels, or whoever, American forces would not need to be in the middle east. Behave yourselves, and they will go home. Continue to misbehave, they will stay. Very simple. Threaten us (verbally or otherwise) at your own risk.

In spite of all the propoganda, the US is not an imperialistic country. Wherever the US put military forces, when the threat went away, so did the troops. We had whole armies in Western Europe before the Wall fell, and now they are gone. Phillipinnes is no longer threatened, and the troops and bases are gone. If our allies in the middle east are not threatened, we will leave there too.

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
What the heck did anyone do to him and his family except expect them to behave like civilized people

his father is a highly respected retired lawyer, at least one of the sisters is a hospital doctor. The family DOES behave civilized. His plans for the restoration of a particular part of old Cairo and the ones for the restoration of the city centre of Aleppo actually were carried out in the meantime, and many buildings he planned in Germany are now standing. Very sad actually.
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 26):
A stereotype given to you by

"Stereotype" be damned. IT DOES HAPPEN. And it cannot be ignored even by throwing around words like "neocon" (which is a stereotype) Western culture may have been as barbaric as any that ever existed but we uniformly deplore the use of children as "soldiers." That is one of the points where we seem to be so far apart. We know that we go to great lengths and considerable expense to avoid civilian casualties. The "other guys" over there seem to go to similar lengths to avoid contact with our soldiers; preferring to kill their own civilians. It is a cultural difference that is going to have to be understood.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
call for the destruction of Israel?

is Israel part of the USA ?

Is Israel an ally of America? Wanna tap dance around the original question some more?   

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
ren't they Jews? Are not a good number of Americans Jews also?

he urged the Israelis to get relocated to Europe or America to establish their "State of Israel" there

How splendid. Maybe Ahmedinejad, in all his sovereignty    will help choose for them grant them safe and thorough passage to his chosen destination.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
I wonder if he wishes them happiness and prosperity.


of course, just as above

Yes, of course  .

MAF, like AA777 and QR, for you to err on this topic is inevitable. If you want to be taken seriously, answer the questions. If you lack the source material that helps support your argument, change sides. If you are simply unable to stand your ground, quit selling mind-numbing stupidity in hopes that someone will buy your argument. Ahmedinejad offering kindness? What a guy.   

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

That's nice. I still wouldn't miss him if one of his close Hizbullah friends detonated early in his presence.  Silly
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):
Iran hates the US govt but not the US people.
Reading a.net, it seems that the US hates both the Iranian govt. AND the Iranian people...

And where do you get that? I have nothing against most of the Iranian people. To be sure there are plenty of them who buy the hatful rhetoric of their government since 1979, and have grown up with the slogan "Death to America". But I don't think most of them buy it.

I really like how you give the Iranian people the benefit of the doubt, but not Americans. How fair of you!

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
I wonder if he wishes them happiness and prosperity.


of course, just as above

Well, since their happiness, MAF, includes living where they do, he doens't wish them happiness. He wishes them misery-as do you, and a whole boatload of people on this fourm, who constantly support the terrorists in this world.

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
I would respectfully but firmly state without equivocation that if anyone believes for a nanosecond that Ahmadinejad has any scintilla of respect for the American people that they are brainless.

Well, you can line them up two abreast, ten deep on this forum, Slider: ME AVN FAN, Cairo, QR-just to name a few.

They think guys like Amadinejad are just swell chaps, who really do care for the world. It's a lie-and in their heart of hearts, they know it, but their dislike and/or hatred of Israel and/or the U.S. and/or The West in general override any common sense.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
Get over yourself - it isn't AMERICANS or WHAT AMERICA IS that people are angry about,

That old lie, Cairo. It's obvious that you hate your own people and your own natiion, and so do many of these losers around the globe. They see what they have, and either they want it or they want to destroy it. But it IS the American way of life, as exemplified by it's people, that they loath. Of that, I have no doubt.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 32):
your argument

there is no argument. I simply quoted what he stated

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 32):
the source material

I gave the source

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 32):
Ahmedinejad offering kindness?

I did NOT ask anybody to believe him, as I do NOT have much trust and belief in him either

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 33):
I still wouldn't miss him if

neither would I, whenever hesitating to support your narrowly veiled death wish against him

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 34):
he doens't wish them happiness. He wishes them misery-as do you

that he wishes them misery is just your idea, which may be correct or wrong. I for my part do NOT wish them misery -- you got something totally wrong on that

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 34):
a whole boatload of people on this fourm, who constantly support the terrorists in this world.

WHO on here supports terrorists ? I see nobody doing so. You apparently suffer of persecution mania. Suppose you see terrorists behind every bush.
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 35):
WHO on here supports terrorists ? I see nobody doing so.

Therein lies the problem: there are lots who support the terrorists-and their sponsors, such as your shining light in the form of Syria, MAF. You're just wilfully blind to that fact.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 36):
support the terrorists

well, you just regard all political movements with somewhat extreme views as "terrorists".
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 35):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 32):
the source material

I gave the source

You gave this: http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/203538

I, in turn, give you this . .
Just type Ahmadinejad into Google and these shows up on the first page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4107270.stm

where it describes his desire (in the pretext) to wipe Israel off the map. And you said this . . . ?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
he urged the Israelis to get relocated to Europe or America to establish their "State of Israel" there

How do you compare his remarks to wiping them out to his remarks about wanting them to relocate?

Even the CFR (not one of my favorite outfits here in the US) says he's in over his head and condemns remarks of his:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...20601103&sid=aaFUcWK2UpGc&refer=us

The best Ahmadinejad could do was meet with some rabbis who were characterized by NYC Jewish groups (plural) as "representing nothing" (some of them, who the article says lost relatives in the Holocaust, suggested the Holocaust "was all a Zionist conspiracy"). Ahmadinejad played those genius rabbis while he ripped Jews. His "compassion" is a sham.
http://news.google.com/news?q=ahmadi...ad&hl=en&lr=&sa=X&oi=news&ct=title

When I say source material, it helps to bring multiple sources to support your argument. And yes, I say "argument". When you give a quotation and no opinion concerning it in the opening remarks, especially with the nature of your remarks in reply 13 (basically defending Ahmadinejad's remarks, for example, stating that yes, he does wish peace and prosperity to even American Jews), it appears you don't enjoy the objective position you (in reply 35) would like to impress on me that you do.

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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 30):
his father is a highly respected retired lawyer, at least one of the sisters is a hospital doctor. The family DOES behave civilized. His plans for the restoration of a particular part of old Cairo and the ones for the restoration of the city centre of Aleppo actually were carried out in the meantime, and many buildings he planned in Germany are now standing. Very sad actually.

A curious man was Mohammed Atta and a disgrace to his family..

I understood his masters' thesis was rather a good one in the field.

It just goes to show you how people can be very intelligent in their field of expertise and still not understand a fucking thing about anything...I imagine it was a perfect storm of misfiring neurons inside his head....

I understand he left a last will and testament, and among other things it left some quite specific instructions as to how his body was to be prepared for burial: "No looking at the goolies there! No sirree!"

Which is rather humorous when you figure out what shepe he was in after he hit the tower....what was going to be buried?
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 38):
How do you compare his remarks to wiping them out to his remarks about wanting them to relocate?

an interesting discrepancy. Looks as if he has harsh and soft positions in the pocket, to be used up on occasion

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 38):
His "compassion" is a sham.

both positions are a sham, as it is absolutely unclear what he really believes

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 38):
he does wish peace and prosperity to even American Jews)

which I meant rather ironically, as I am not so sure about him at all

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 38):
the objective position you (in reply 35

in reply 35, I simply stated MY OWN position

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 39):
a disgrace to his family..

a catastrophe for his family
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 37):
well, you just regard all political movements with somewhat extreme views as "terrorists".

No. I regard those who actively support, fund, foement and participate in acts of violence against others as terrorists-you know, like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, Al Qaeda. You know-those creeps whom you seem to laud so much.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 40):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 38):
he does wish peace and prosperity to even American Jews)

which I meant rather ironically, as I am not so sure about him at all

Forgive me, I did not ascertain that from your previous remarks. Thanks for the clarification.

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Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 41):
you seem to laud so much.

I never lauded el-Qaeda. And I heavily DISlike Hizbullah and Hamas. Neither Iran nor Syria ever supported el-Qaeda.
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
How about Mr. Atta and his unfortunate penchant for flying fully loaded airplanes into occupied structures? I mean, what the hell did he expect?

Atta and the rest were all Saudis. Why America did not take this as an act of war either perpetrated or condoned or tacitly allowed by the Saudis is beyond me. A very simple method to end toerrorism is just to announce: whatever passport the terrorists hold, that is the country that just declared war on America and can expect a full reprisal.

Imagine if in the cold war 12 people with Cuban or Soviet passports had struck the twin towers: that alone would have been justification for war. It is said the US military is good for old fashioned wars against nation states - fine - declare war on the nation states that created the terrorists (Saudi Arabia).

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
And you're blaming US???

You and George Bush have a common myopia: black and white viewpoints. More than one party can take the blame in any dispute, life is rarely so simple as one or the other. This is true today in the Middle East, America gets a big part of the blame - but certainly not all.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
Yet all we hear is "Death to America"

All YOU hear because of your news sources or what you choose to read/watch. Iranians are natural cultural allies of the US, they aren't Arab, and are very curious and friendly about Americans.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
You and many others would have the entire world believe that everything all the fault of the Americans

Again, there is no one side to take all the blame. America gets part of the blame, yes. Besides that, the whole world already believes as I do - even America's closest allies put the blame for America's troubles largely where it belongs - on American foreign policy. *

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
You've been wringing each others' necks for the last 1300 years

Americans kill more Americans every year than the grand total of all "Muslim Terrorism" has killed anyone ever. America is fighting the Vietnam war every two years in terms of lives lost on the streets of America - and this is what some idiots believe the rest of the world is so jealous about. America's priorities are in America - not in the ME.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
If there were a good way to do this I'd be the first to say "Yes. Bugger off to your cesspit

There is a good way to do it. Leave. Garrison Israel if you like, but leave.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 34):
They see what they have, and either they want it or they want to destroy it. But it IS the American way of life, as exemplified by it's people, that they loath. Of that, I have no doubt.

Unfortunately this is just mental masturbation. The Pentagon rightfully says it is the policies of America that cause anger, not the American way of life** - but I'm sure you know better.

Cairo

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/07092006/...ys-most-canadians-blame-u-s-9.html

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 44):
Atta and the rest were all Saudis

Not really. Mohammed el-Amir el-Atta was Egyptian, Marwan al-Shehhi was an Emirati from Abu Dhabi and Ziad Jarrah was a Lebanese from Beirut. And one was from Yemen.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 44):
whatever passport the terrorists hold, that is the country that just

while these countries are exactly the ones also attacked by the organization in question.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 44):
Arab, and are very curious and friendly about Americans.

most Arabs, in spite of the opposition towards foreign politics of the White House and the US-Congress, also basically are curious and friendly about US-Americans. That "death-to-America" thing may pop off at certain occasions in certain places but is NOT the basic position of people.
 
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Bull-freaking shit he does.




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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:38 am

The whole scene reminded me of Team America...quite pathetic!
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 46):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Bull-freaking shit he does.

Shifting from one extreme to the other.
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RE: Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:32 am

Some little 5 foot 4 inch dwarf respects us. Whoopee fu..ing doo.

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