Matt D
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Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:42 am

I spotted these recently right here in city of Orange.

What the hell ARE they?

And both are for sale, although I can't imagine them being street legal.

http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/TinyCar1.JPG
http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/TinyCar2.JPG
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:48 am

Hate to say it Matt but those cars look better than most new cars today.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:49 am

Hey, Steve Urkel had a BMW Isetta. Those were actually rather revolutionary cars for their day.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Hate to say it Matt but those cars look better than most new cars today.

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They're so unique and stylish. You just don't see that much anymore, especially for a measly 6600 bucks.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:54 am

stick a roll cage in them and rally them.
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:55 am

Hate to say it Matt but those cars look better than most new cars today.

Afaraid I agree with you. The only current cars I would give any consideration to would be the new Mustangs, the Honda S2000, and maybe the Acura RSX.


BTW, it looks like the local Orange PD is converting to the new Chargers for their cruisers. Didn't look bad.

Meanwhile, I'm rolling out the Cobra on saturday and giving her a thorough wash/wax/detail.
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:56 pm

The Yellow car is a FIAT 500, one I would think could be great to have! The price tag relfects its age and condition...

 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:19 pm

Quoting Matt D (Reply 5):
. The only current cars I would give any consideration to would be the new Mustangs, the Honda S2000, and maybe the Acura RSX.

You can shorten that list. Acura has put the kibosh on the RSX.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):

I remember the second car from a TV show called 'Heartbeat'

Quoting Matt D (Reply 5):
Afaraid I agree with you. The only current cars I would give any consideration to would be the new Mustangs, the Honda S2000, and maybe the Acura RSX.

I quite like some of the 2006/2007 Chevrolet models.

There is a very ugly Honda vehicle that I saw for sale at a Honda yard in Jackson, MI and I also saw driving around Adrian, MI that made me feel sick.....how could anyone drive such a damn ugly vehicle. Its basically a box
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:00 pm

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
What the hell ARE they?

Like already said before these are a Fiat 500 and a BMW Isetta both are very popular cars in Europe in the 50s.
I believe the last Fiat 500 was build in the 70s or 80s. A real popular as you can see.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
And both are for sale, although I can't imagine them being street legal.

Why not? They were both sold in US dealers in the 50/60s.
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:06 pm

I've driven a Fiat 500 and the thing is pretty damned awful. No synchros on the gears, so you have to double-clutch every shift. Climbing a hill with any traffic behind you will get you run over. Brakes so stiff (no assist) that you really have to stand on them to slow down. The irony of this car is that you have to think like a big-rig truck driver to drive it, in that you have to plan every turn, every braking, and every gear change well in advance. Anyone who thinks that such a car would be quick and nimble (like a Mini) has not driven one.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
No synchros on the gears, so you have to double-clutch every shift.

Every down shift

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
I've driven a Fiat 500 and the thing is pretty damned awful.

The Cinquecento wasn't ever meant to be a sports car. It is basically the first generation Smart car and was never meant to be much more than a city driver. The fact that it has a 500cc engine should tip you off to that.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:37 am

Big version: Width: 480 Height: 278 File size: 29kb


This is ugly!

 vomit 

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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:53 am

Fiat will be selling a revisited 500 starting next year.



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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:58 am

A whole bunch of those cars can be seen at the Lane Motor Museum in Nashville; I had a chance to visit it the last time I was in the area:

http://www.lanemotormuseum.com/

The building that the museum's located used to be a factory for Sunbeam Bread factory.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Every down shift

A non-synchro trans is double clutched (or floated) on every shift.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:03 am

The one and only....



I give you the AMC Gremlin.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 17):
I give you the AMC Gremlin.

I see your Gremlin and I raise you an AMC Pacer.

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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:53 am

Oh!

Then I offer this FoMoCo gem from the 80's....


The (in)elegant Ford EXP
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 18):
I see your Gremlin and I raise you an AMC Pacer.

In its ugliness it looks good somehow and sice Wayne´s World I just love that car. Party Time, Excellent....
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 19):
The (in)elegant Ford EXP

Haven't seen one of those in ages.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
There is a very ugly Honda vehicle that I saw for sale at a Honda yard in Jackson, MI and I also saw driving around Adrian, MI that made me feel sick.....how could anyone drive such a damn ugly vehicle. Its basically a box

The Honda Element:

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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:38 am

By far, the ugliest small car I've ever seen is Citroen Ami 6:



 vomit 

It makes the Citroen 2CV look flat-out cute in comparison.
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:42 am

CURLYHEADBOY,

I actually like the design of the new Fiat 500--it least it doesn't look strangely upright like the Smart ForTwo. Will they revive the Topolino name?

[Edited 2006-09-23 02:52:51]
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 16):
(or floated)

My preference. Eliminates the need for that pesky clutch unless starting/stopping.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:34 am

Ok, I see your Escort EXP and your Citroen Ami 6, and raise you the car that more or less single handedly killed the British automobile industry.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/4e/Austin.allegro.1979.arp.750pix.jpg

The Austin Allegro.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 17):
I give you the AMC Gremlin.

"OTTO!!! There's a Germlin on the side of the bus!!!"-Bart Simpson.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 18):
I see your Gremlin and I raise you an AMC Pacer.

How Dare you speak ill of Wayne and Garth's "Merth-mobile"
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 14):

I like the idea of a glass roof

Quoting PROSA (Reply 22):

MY EYES, MY EYES, get it out of my sight *runs out of the room screaming*
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:11 pm

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!  mad 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:56 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

'Fly, as a committed leftie (or as a leftie who should be committed, either works Big grin) the Fiat 500 should be the kind of car you drive around in. Ditch that monument to wasteful capitalism of a Town Car and get yourself a Fiat 500, or maybe an old Citroen 2CV!

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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:04 pm

I'd love to have one of those old Fiats, always great with some nostalgy.



Isn't there a sportier version of the 500 aswell, that is called Abarth? I remember i drove that car in the PC-game Rally Trophy some years back.
 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:07 pm

Cfalk:
I know a Frenchman two blocks away that showers once a week that has that same car along with a Citroen DS5(?), Renult Le Car, Peugeot 505 wagon and a gul-wing door Delorean. Big grin
I see a pattern here!


If I had to drive a 40 miles each way to work like many Americans, I'd go for a diesel powered 1984/85 Lincoln Continental converted to biodiesel.
Those came with a BMW powered turbo diesel straight 6.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 30):
Fly, as a committed leftie (or as a leftie who should be committed, either works Big grin) the Fiat 500 should be the kind of car you drive around in. Ditch that monument to wasteful capitalism of a Town Car and get yourself a Fiat 500, or maybe an old Citroen 2CV!

May I recommend you the classic socialst car:
The East German Trabant 601



or the even uglier Wartburg


The 2CV and the Fiat 500 are only for lefties that only talk, dring red wine and have their summer vacation in Tuscany. Real socialists prefer these old relicts from the Cold War....it gives you more of the feeling of being an underdog

[Edited 2006-09-23 11:14:20]
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
Real socialist prefer these old relicts from the Cold War....

Which explains why they gave up on socialism. They saw that their system could not make a descent car, or pretty much anything else. PJ O'Roarke once said that Communism fell because nobody could stand wearing Bulgarian shoes.

Maybe you are right. Superfly needs to drive a car built in one of these hotbeds of socialism - maybe that will bring him back to the real world.  Wink
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:31 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 34):
Superfly needs to drive a car built in one of these hotbeds of socialism - maybe that will bring him back to the real world.

Oh man have you set yourself up!
Ford & GM are operating under the best corperate friendly government policies since the roaring 1920s and the best they can give us is the current crap in there fleet?
Yet there hey-day (1950s-1980s) they had a larger tax burden and strong labor unions.  scratchchin 
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:18 pm

Interestingly enough, the 2CV is not that ugly a car. It was simply built, very reliable for its day, and beloved all over Europe (Citroen only phased out production due to increasingly stringent safety laws).
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Ford & GM are operating under the best corperate friendly government policies since the roaring 1920s and the best they can give us is the current crap in there fleet?

Ford and GM are currently paying between 10 and 15 times the social costs vs their foreign competitors, due to their Unions' refusal to move into the 21st century and have independent health care and pension providers. Sorry, but the laws are much more pro-corporation in Germany or Japan.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Yet there hey-day (1950s-1980s) they had a larger tax burden and strong labor unions.

And a virtually captive market which had practically no foreign competition and a hunger to consume in the postwar years which ensured that no matter how crappy the quality, cars would sell if they would at least look good. Those days are over.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 16):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Every down shift

A non-synchro trans is double clutched (or floated) on every shift.

Long before my time but the difference was that the accelerator needed to be "blipped" in neutral when changing down. What a carry on.
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 32):
I'd go for a diesel powered 1984/85 Lincoln Continental converted to biodiesel.

Did they make a Lincoln diesel.

Of course they used the same engines as the Ford trucks generally. But a 7.3 diesel would habe been a tight fit. Even in that big engine compartment.

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
The East German Trabant 601

Aren't they forced to grind those bodies up and mix them with asphalt for roads because the fiberglass bodies are so toxic?
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 36):
the 2CV is not that ugly a car. It was simply built, very reliable for its day, and beloved all over Europe

Beloved for their poultry-housing qualities, rather than for any automotive excellence, I assure you  Smile
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 36):
the 2CV is not that ugly a car. It was simply built,

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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 13):
This is ugly!

What you have there is Poland's finest. Its called the "Maluch", which roughly translates to "small one, tiny one"... something to that effect.

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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 39):
Did they make a Lincoln diesel.

Sadly it was borrowed from the BMW 5-series.

Cfalk:
Germany has national health-care so there companies are relieved of that obligation.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 43):
Sadly it was borrowed from the BMW 5-series

Still it does bring up the question, that if the big Lincolns such as the town car used the same plants that Ford trucks use, would installing a 6.5, 7.3 or powerstroke diesel be that big of an issue?
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 44):
Still it does bring up the question, that if the big Lincolns such as the town car used the same plants that Ford trucks use, would installing a 6.5, 7.3 or powerstroke diesel be that big of an issue?

It certainly wouldn't be an issue with my genereation Town Car. I can fit a small town under the hood of my car.  Wink
The 7.3 diesel should fit wothout no problem. If gas prices shoot up to $12.00 a gallon, that just might happen.
I am sure the current 6.0 liter should fit under the hood of the current panther platform Town Cars (1980-today). Not sure about the 7.3 fitting under the hood of the current model.
The current 4.6 gas V8 gets great milage anyway.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 44):
Still it does bring up the question, that if the big Lincolns such as the town car used the same plants that Ford trucks use, would installing a 6.5, 7.3 or powerstroke diesel be that big of an issue?

Probably not. FWIW the Powerstroke (the Cummins ISB and Duramax too) are basically medium duty truck engines. Too big, too heavy to be suitable in a 1/2 ton truck let alone a full sized sedan. Not to mention that those engines are considerable more expensive than the gassers. You need to be towing/hauling a lot of stuff to justify to initial expense for the better fuel economy and power.
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RE: Small Ugly Cars Revisited

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:54 am

I'm really confused why you guys say that all those classic cars are ugly. THEY ARE BEAUTIES! Wonderful cars of the past. Nothing close to anything we see today.

Matt D, I'd kill to have a car like the first one in the original post. I mean it's simply great.

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 14):
Fiat will be selling a revisited 500 starting next year.

I really like that Fiat. It's very modern-day, looks efficient, and perfect for the crowded streets we have in many capitals of the world now-a-days.

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Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:00 am

Haven´t seen that before but have you noticed the Smart Roadsters in the back of the original post. Did not know that they were imported to the States.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 46):
FWIW the Powerstroke (the Cummins ISB and Duramax too) are basically medium duty truck engines. Too big, too heavy to be suitable in a 1/2 ton truck let alone a full sized sedan

Hell, you could get the old 460 in the Crown Vic for a while.
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