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Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:15 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/space_soyuz_dc

She has been told, however, to remove an Iranian flag from her spacesuit and, at the insistence of the Russian and U.S. governments, promise that there will be no political messages during her trip.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:20 am

Ok, so she spends $20 million on this and doesn't get to make a symbolic gesture recognizing her place of birth? Stupid.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:55 am

Well, there is just not enough information here to make any kind of judgement.

I understand that she was born in Iran and lived there until 1984. I also assume that she paid for the trip with money she earned while living in the US and from the economic opportunities she enjoyed here - that she would not have had in Iran.

What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

It seems possible that she has fallen in love with Ahmadinejad like so many liberals have because he is not George W. Bush and for no other reason. He may be a tyrant, a despot, a firebrand, an ignorant savage but at least he isn't Bush.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:00 am

Isn't Russia selling Iran all sorts of goodies? Whats their beef?

Frankly I dont see the problem. If she was born there and just wants to have pride, so be it. If she is a terrorist supporter, or a supporter of that crack head of a leader, then I have a problem.


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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

Because we have forgotten to 'make' our converted citizens realize to what country they have sworn allegiance to.
One of the things that made me throw up in my mouth when I lived in Miami was the majority residents allegiance to the Cuban flag. It was sad and disgusting.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
He may be a tyrant, a despot, a firebrand, an ignorant savage but at least he isn't Bush.

You know, now that you put it this way, I do kind of like him better then Bush. I'm not shopping for promise rings, but he's not Ivan the terrible... YET..
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

A DEMOCRATIC PROCEDURE  Yeah sure
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
Because we have forgotten to 'make' our converted citizens realize to what country they have sworn allegiance to.
One of the things that made me throw up in my mouth when I lived in Miami was the majority residents allegiance to the Cuban flag. It was sad and disgusting.

Well, if I had a bumper sticker on my car it would say:

IF THE PLACE YOU CAME FROM DOESN'T SUCK
GO HOME!


I too am offended by people who seem to have forgotten WHY they came here.

• Californians who fled that state with their businesses that could no longer operate there, come here and then vote their liberal, socialist California agenda here in a traditionally conservative state. Okay if you want to come here but why do you want to bring the attitudes that forced you to flee in the first place?

• Mexicans and other Latins who come here for economic opportunity but work very hard to turn their communities here into whatever salsipuedes they fled down there. Hint: No matter how little money I had at any point in my life I did not throw trash in my own yard. It is not poverty it is piggishness.

• Anyone who flees tyranny in some other country, comes here and gets rich because their work habits once needed for bare survival will, in this country, allow them to prosper - then finds fault with the system that raised them out of the gutter.

IF that is the case with this Cosmonette then may she burn up on re-entry. If it is not her motivation I would like to know more.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
to remove an Iranian flag from her spacesuit and, at the insistence of the Russian and U.S. governments

a childish, silly and stupid demand. The Iranian flag is not a negative thing but simply the flag of that country.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
I too am offended by people who seem to have forgotten WHY they came here.

why ... came ? NOT because they DISliked their country, but rather because they disliked their government. The flag is the flag of the country. So that there is absolutely NO reason for you to feel offended.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
I also assume that she paid for the trip with money she earned while living in the US and from the economic opportunities she enjoyed here - that she would not have had in Iran.

What do you know about economic opportunity in Iran?
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):

IF THE PLACE YOU CAME FROM DOESN'T SUCK
GO HOME!

Say goodbye to Boeing making any half-decent aircraft in the next 50 years then.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

She doesn't. She is (or was) wearing the iranian flag on one arm and the american one on the other.

Perfectly reasonable in my book. One's country of birth and youth will always have a place in one's heart, as will the new home country.

Come on, rabid xenophoby is so unbecoming...! Big grin
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
Come on, rabid xenophoby is so unbecoming...!

Unfortunately, he thinks it is quite stylish
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, he thinks it is quite stylish

Well, yeah - some animals perfume themselves with rotting carcasses, but it tends to make you rather lonely in human company...  mischievous 
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Well, yeah - some animals perfume themselves with rotting carcasses, but it tends to make you rather lonely in human company...

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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
Come on, rabid xenophoby is so unbecoming...!

It's one thing to not to want to allow others into your country, it's another thing to be disgusted by their behaviour when they arrive.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, he thinks it is quite stylish

Unfortunately, it seems to be becoming quite stylish here in the Unted States. Disgusting.

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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Ok, so she spends $20 million on this and doesn't get to make a symbolic gesture recognizing her place of birth? Stupid.

I agree.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
It seems possible that she has fallen in love with Ahmadinejad like so many liberals have because he is not George W. Bush and for no other reason.

I don't think that her sympathies in any way really lay with the ruling party in Iran, or the mullahs that forced her family out.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
You know, now that you put it this way, I do kind of like him better then Bush.

then you're an idiot, Ted. and I don't think you're really an idiot, so tell me why...for God's sake...you make a comment like that. The guy represents a regime of radical fundamentalist mullahs who subjugate democracy, women and anyone who doesn't follow their line. They have to play up this nuclear thing since it's the only issue they seem to be able to strike a chord with in their own people, who are growing more and more restless, and he in particular has been threatening Jews and actively denying the Holocaust by sponsoring BS propaganda. Seriously, you can't say he's better than President Bush no matter how much you dislike the current President.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
What do you know about economic opportunity in Iran?

They are certainly not what they could be for all citizens if they had a truly democratic government that did not codify the discrimination against women and minorities through legislative oversight by the committee of mullahs representing or dominating the Ayatollah.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

dude, we are on the same page!
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
Say goodbye to Boeing making any half-decent aircraft in the next 50 years then.

Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. Could you explain?
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Isn't Russia selling Iran all sorts of goodies? Whats their beef?

I suspect they were just complying with a request from the current US administration.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
One's country of birth and youth will always have a place in one's heart, as will the new home country

I'm all for that, we cobbled this thing, our country, together by borrowing, plagerizing, importing or rejecting things from whence almost all of us came. It is our strength and we are really young enough to have the human desire to place ourselves in the long string of history. So for good and for ill, we use the hyphen. "Irish guy walks into a bar..., Jewish American Princess makes reservations for dinner..." You know them all, we eat the foods of the original cultures from which we sprang and celebrate or lament the things that brought us here.

And hopefully we rejoice at the good fortune that gives us the part of the identity that comes to the right of that hyphen. No need to be a cultural jingoist or a "rabid xenophobe". however, being a good American involves a significant contract with each other and the place we call home.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 19):

Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. Could you explain?

This isn't the 50s or 60s. Compare the number of decent engineering graduates out of American universities with the numbers of engineers that Boeing needs. If we took your comments to heart, Boeing would soon start churning out crap.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
you make a comment like that.

To aggrivate

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
.



Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
you're an idiot, Ted.

I have never claimed otherwise....

/sarcasm
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
She doesn't. She is (or was) wearing the iranian flag on one arm and the american one on the other

The linked article doesn't say anything about a US flag. Do you have a link for that bit of data? Anyway no one is forcing her to wear the US flag. If there was a problem I'd have just removed both of them.

There are some really obtuse members here who would deny or pretend that there is no political statement inherent in the choice of flags. In political statements, timing can be very important. Take, for example the proposed monument in Canada to the US draft dodgers who fled to Canada rather than serve in Vietnam*. I have long had a measure of respect for these individuals despite having gone to Vietnam voluntarily, myself. It cannot be easy to leave one's own country, to leave behind family and friends.

There were whole decades (80s and 90s) when Canada could have quietly erected such a monument and caused very little stir. They could have done this if the purpose of the monument actually was to honor their new citizens. The protest would mostly have been from my peers for whom "veteran" is their religion and race. The rest of us would have had our little say and moved on. But Canada had discussions about building this monument that were OBVIOUSLY tied to protest of the US invasion of Iraq. That made it a political statement separate from, or in addition to the point of the monument itself.

Flying the flag of Iraq (or Venzuela) at this moment in history is a political statement. Maybe a month from now, if we have an agreement with Iran regarding our current issues it won't be, but just now it is. I personally want to know more about her motivation in wearing it. If it is nothing more than to honor the place of her birth that is one thing. If she surfaces anywhere else in the near future with anti-US or anti-Bush, or anti-Iraq war, or anti-Afghanistan war statements that will tell us something else. This is not to say that such statement are not her democratic right to make, it just makes the position about the flag only being to honor her birthplace highly suspect. The article DID make mention of concerns that she would make political statements - something a couple of posts above ignored.

* * *


It is interesting that the same people who defend her desire to display the flag of Iran because it represents the nation - not the current regime also defend burning the US flag in other parts of the world because it is protest of the current (Bush) administration and NOT the nation they are protesting.

* Or hang around long enough on student deferments for the war would end and they could become President, or Vice President.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:34 am

Damnest, I say kick her out of the rocket!
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
It's one thing to not to want to allow others into your country, it's another thing to be disgusted by their behaviour when they arrive.

Such as the irish with their inexcusably un-american riots on St. Patrick's day every year...?  crazy 

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):
The linked article doesn't say anything about a US flag. Do you have a link for that bit of data?

Here you go:

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Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):
Anyway no one is forcing her to wear the US flag. If there was a problem I'd have just removed both of them.

Your rant above basically threatened any new american who dared to not wave the american banner frantically enough for your taste...!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Well, there is just not enough information here to make any kind of judgement.

And then, you go make your own judgements in your thread, Slamclick.

Just because she live here now, doesn't mean she can't love her people and her land, SlamClick.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):

I too am offended by people who seem to have forgotten WHY they came here.

And I'm too offended by some Americans who think that this is the only place in the world that someone should love. I'm too offended by the smug arrogance of your stand, SlamClick.

This woman is Iranian and American. And yet you deny her the right to show pride in her native land, simply because she moved here.

I think it's stupid she's not allowed to wear the Iranian flag. I think she should also wear an American one right next to it. That would be a positive symbolic gesture.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
I think it's stupid she's not allowed to wear the Iranian flag. I think she should also wear an American one right next to it. That would be a positive symbolic gesture.

That was exactly what she intended to do! She left no doubt about it in an interview I watched on the news.

See the picture here:

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But the various Cro Magnons had already been all worked up too much to actually check what the real background was...!  crazy 
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
Here you go:

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The MOST interesting point about the flag she is wearing is that she uses the PRE-1979 Iran-flag of Imperial Iran ! The post-1979 one has the IRI insignia in the centre.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
And I'm too offended by some Americans who think that this is the only place in the world that someone should love. I'm too offended by the smug arrogance of your stand, SlamClick.

This makes the most sense. I often get the impression that Iran is a hole for anti-American sentimentality, but, I also know I don't much about the people themselves. One of my fellow dispatchers is half-Iranian and he's a cool guy. If the majority are like him, then I don't often hear about it.

If she made a political comment that was an attack on American policy, then there would be cause for the US government to confront her. Wearing the flag of Iran is (at least currently) no such statement. Even then, though, while wearing both national flags on her suit, she should hardly be viewed as subversive or otherwise. At worst, maybe she feels that she is sticking it to Washington by showing her country's flag, and, then, maybe Bush or Cheney would like to respond with the middle finger. At most, it's just pettyness. It's not that big a deal.

If her nationality were Pakistani, Venezuelan or even Chinese, this would not have happened. I'm not a fan of Iran in any way, really, but there's no reason for her to not wear a patch of the Iranian flag.

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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:07 am

I do not support the display of national flags of origin on spacecraft or spacesuits; I support only the display of flags of legal nationality.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 23):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
you're an idiot, Ted.

I have never claimed otherwise....

one more reason why I like you.............


that and you put your money where your mouth is......
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
But the various Cro Magnons had already been all worked up too much to actually check what the real background was...!

The thread starter only put up one link - WITH NO MENTION of a US flag. Blame him.

Besides

I said I wanted more information.
I said I wanted to know more about her motivations.


I did not call her a terrorist or any other name. I just wanted all of us to know more about this and that makes YOU angry? Why is that?

Now that I look at the thread starter's profile I am beginning to smell Islamofascist propaganda here. His RU list includes people whose politics are pretty much uniformly arrayed against the US.

Perhaps, Klaus, that is why YOU DON'T WANT more information. You just want to call me names.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
No, the Russians canNOT, as they would NOT have sufficient money without the partnership with the USA, and therefore can be expected to respect US-American requests.

I highly doubt that Russians (or any other participating country) have to comply with any political requests made by any of the partners. Operation of ISS is governed by the agreement signed by all participants. I'm pretty sure that it contains something about excluding political agenda from ISS missions - regardless from where the funding came from. I suppose there is also a legal agreement which governs what kind of emblems or logos could be carried on the spacesuits, etc.

BTW, if the Russians would not participate, the thing would probably not exist anyway since other participating countries have pretty much no experience in long-term space missions and construction of such space stations.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:27 am

Before you wrote

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
doesn't mean she can't love her people and her land,

did you read

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):

It is interesting that the same people who defend her desire to display the flag of Iran because it represents the nation - not the current regime also defend burning the US flag in other parts of the world because it is protest of the current (Bush) administration and NOT the nation they are protesting.

or

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):
Flying the flag of Iraq (or Venzuela) at this moment in history is a political statement.

...or do you suddenly not believe that is true.

How about I wear an American flag around Beirut, Tehran, Cairo, even Paris. After all, I have a great deal of affection for the place of my birth.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 36):
Perhaps, Klaus, that is why YOU DON'T WANT more information. You just want to call me names.

No - but in related topics you've always been quick to judge along assumed ideological lines rather than acknowledging more complicated realities, as in this case. That does indeed lower my debunking threshold, in this case maybe even a bit too far.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 38):
And you pretty much called her an ingrate and a bad american.

That is an extremely subjective assessment of my words.

I said there was not enough information in the very first post. It turns out that the very pertinent fact that she was also wearing a US flag was left out. Had that been mentioned my opinion would have been that the US was being childish as they are with Castro's Cuba and that she should have removed her US flag too. I still think she should do that. But it is now my opinion that the thread-starter wanted to start a flame war. It is really too late to suggest deletion on the basis of "flamebait" as (because of my inquiring) it is now known by one and all that she intended to wear both. That should have been stated up front and shame on the o/p

I am the only one that I can see wanting to know her motivation.

I am the only one so far to acknowledge right/wrong on both sides of the issue.

I have been called xenophobic, you yourself compared me with an animal rolling in carrion, (that was pretty rude) The xenophobia you so incorrectly identified in me was called

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 15):
Disgusting.

...by a person who had absolutely nothing else to contribute to this discussion.

You say I

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
threatened

Prove it or retract it. Find a quote of mine in this thread where I offer or suggest violence or even unlawful conduct toward anyone. Do this to prove your integrity or admit that you overreacted.

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You know, it appears that reading this forum is becoming pointless. When even a known intellect like Falcon84 so obviously kneejerks without reading the entire post I have to wonder who is left reading this stuff. Even his analysis of what I said was so wide of the mark, what hope is there for the rest.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
you've always been quick to judge

Ahh, stereotyping! Well sir, welcome to the club. We meet every day on planet Earth.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
in this case maybe even a bit too far.

I will freely admit to some prejudices. Problem is with prejudices, that they are generalizations, and when we generalize we open ourselves to being wrong far too often. I may have initial gut feelings in an issue but I do want to know more, to hear both (or more) sides.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
I think she should also wear an American one right next to it. That would be a positive symbolic gesture.

I agree and that is exactly what she intended to do.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 31):
The MOST interesting point about the flag she is wearing is that she uses the PRE-1979 Iran-flag of Imperial Iran ! The post-1979 one has the IRI insignia in the centre.

 checkmark  It was ALL OVER THE NEWS!!!

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 36):
The thread starter only put up one link - WITH NO MENTION of a US flag. Blame him.

I thought the people on this site should have been a little more aware than that. It was ALL OVER THE NEWS. Yet this part of the story came JUST now and when I searched to confirm it I couldn't find any of the big media even mentioning it. Looks like they wanted to do this quietly.
Slamclick, I think if you had spent half the time posting rants trying to search what you are missing you would found the answer. I thought you should have been better informed, and on top of it, should you not know something why not try looking it up instead of assuming things.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
IF that is the case with this Cosmonette then may she burn up on re-entry. If it is not her motivation I would like to know more.

Wishing someone a violent death just for not agreeing with your view of the country you both share is disgusting and an example of why you tend to get harsher replies than you normally would.

We can agree on many other things you've posted, but when it's about certain political topics, the accumulated experience with your attitudes makes it difficult for me to always stay as objective as I should.

I'm ready to apologize up to a point for overreaching in this case, but you're really a bit too quick on the jingoism for your own good.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 43):
I thought the people on this site should have been a little more aware than that.

Oh it is OUR fault?

Personally I think you were deliberately flame-baiting.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
If she is a terrorist supporter, or a supporter of that crack head of a leader, then I have a problem.



Quoting OlegShv (Reply 25):
Since she is not a citizen of that state and that state has no official participation in this program, its flag does not belong there.

Lets not forget she is a paid customer, NOT a member of the crew.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 34):
I said I want to know more about her motives.



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 36):
Now that I look at the thread starter's profile I am beginning to smell Islamofascist propaganda here. His RU list includes people whose politics are pretty much uniformly arrayed against the US.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 
I missed that until now.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 41):
But it is now my opinion that the thread-starter wanted to start a flame war.



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 41):
That should have been stated up front and shame on the o/p



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 41):
I am the only one that I can see wanting to know her motivation.



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

May I suggest you read a little about her BEFORE reply to me. In case you may miss one aspect of her life, the X-Prize was renamed the Ansari X-Prize afer her due to her donation of a million bucks as a prize to the winner. Other than that... rant away....
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 43):
It was ALL OVER THE NEWS!!!

Indeed. There was sustained and prominent reporting even here (with her not being related to Germany at all) and any major news site has plenty of information...
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 45):
Oh it is OUR fault?

For commenting on something you don't really know all about... YES!!
I hope you know that the X-Prize was, and if you don't: Sorry its not my fault.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 45):
Personally I think you were deliberately flame-baiting.

O comon!!!!!! Read the posts by a 'SlamClick' to know that flamebaiting really is.

[Edited 2006-09-23 00:37:38]
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
jingoism

I'm not so sure it really deserves to be called jingoism. I've criticised my own country or its leaders a hundred times here. The important thing for me is this: When my ancestors came here to the American colonies THEY UNPACKED. They made it their home. A number of them even went to war against England TWICE. One took a flogging from a British officer for his outspokenness.

My (conditional) displeasure with her would have been IF she wore the Iranian flag as a political statement against the US and/or its current, past and future administrations and their polices toward Iran and friends. Mark Twain said it best:

"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you.
This is the principal difference between man and dog."


If she does in the near future verbalize such sentiment I think those of you who argued her side would be honor-bound to acknowledge the political intent.
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 47):
Indeed. There was sustained and prominent reporting even here (with her not being related to Germany at all) and any major news site has plenty of information...

Reading the thread, you did give that impression. But its not like this is not newsworthy, she is the FIRST woman space tourist and maybe in the top 5 space tourists so far (probably 3rd??? not sure).
She got a lot of fame through the X-Prize as well, she was on the also on the cover of a magazine (my memory is failing me a bit here) listing the top female business women etc.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 49):
When my ancestors came here to the American colonies THEY UNPACKED.

And they (hopefully) accepted that violence could not be the response to political dissent.

Consistently sticking to principles like that for over two centuries is one of the main achievements of the USA, not the forced tribal loyalty that ruined so much of the rest of the world during the same time.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:32 am

I'd like to know if there was any other astronaut (or cosmonaut) who has ever asked to put the flag of his ethnic origin, rather than his legal national origin, on his or her spacesuit.

Ms. Ansari is a civilian, so she may not be bound by the same rules that apply to government personnel (into which class all astronauts, cosmonauts, and military officers, other than tourists fall). However, there've been other space tourists who've traveled in Soyuzes before, and I don't recall that any of them ever asked to wear the flag of their ethnic or racial origin.

Of course, there've only been a handful of such tourists, but still....
What's fair is fair.
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 49):
the Iranian flag as a political statement against the US

A) why should the Iranian flag be a statement against the USA ?
B) THE flag she had, if of any political relevance, was a political statement against the present Iranian regime, as it is NOT the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran but the pre-1979 flag of the Empire of Iran .
 
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RE: Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 53):
THE flag she had, if of any political relevance, was a political statement against the present Iranian regime, as it is NOT the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran but the pre-1979 flag of the Empire of Iran .

It doesn't matter, really. I don't think that flags of ethnic origins should fly on spacecraft, if they fly any national flags at all.

It doesn't make sense to amp up the "isms" or political affiliations already applicable in space. In this sense, it's "bad enough", so to speak, that nations display national flags at all in space rather than, say, the flag of the UN or simply an organizational flag, like the flag of NASA (and yes, there is such a flag) or ESA. The proliferation of flags is encouraged when folks take along flags other than those of their nationality.

Nor is this nation-specific. If an American took Russian citizenship after renouncing his American citizenship, and then flew on Soyuz as a tourist, I wouldn't want him to display an American flag during the mission, either. If he displays any flag, let him display the Russian one. (If he's a dual citizen, that's a different matter.)

It would be confusing as heck if people start bringing in flags on tourist missions that uninformed people who may see images of that flag on that mission can falsely claim with pride shows involvement by nations that have nothing to do with the space mission involved. Iran, either now or pre-Revolution, has had almost nothing to do with space exploration. There's no reason for its flag to be diplayed, in preference to any other flag, in space.

I'm not singling out Iran here. The vast majority of nations haven't had anything to do with space, except their use of satellites advanced countries have lofted there.

Reference:

See a small image of NASA flag flying from a post (the rightmost when viewing the photograph):

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_pages/0043-0502-0223-5354.html

See a larger image of a triangular portion only of the NASA flag:

http://images.ksc.nasa.gov/photos/2004/medium/KSC-04PD-0797.jpg

The NASA flag appears to be the official NASA Seal surrounded by a field of dark blue.

For an image and link to a publication-quality version of the official NASA Seal, please see:

http://grcpublishing.grc.nasa.gov/graphics/meatball.cfm

(The Seal is obviously the image at right.)

[Edited 2006-09-23 01:09:38]
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