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Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:27 am

Pope Benedict will meet Muslim ambassadors to the Vatican and Italian Islamic leaders in an attempt to end the furore caused by his speech in Germany.


A senior Vatican official on Friday said the purpose of the meeting was to restart dialogue with the Islamic world.

Invitations were sent for the meeting on Monday at the pope's summer palace in Castelgandolfo, outside Rome.

Muslim diplomats accredited to the Holy See hoped it would help to restore trust between the Roman Catholic Church and Muslims offended by the pope's speech last week in his native Germany.

Ahmad Faihma, Iran's deputy ambassador to the Holy See, said: "We welcome it and are definitely going to participate.

"This is a positive signal from the Vatican. I know that this will improve relations with the Islamic world."

Fathi Abuabed, head of international relations at the Arab League's Vatican mission, said: "This meeting will be very important, especially in these days, to try to stop every action that is not good."

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:32 am

I think this is good news. In fact a nice way to diffuse tensions.
What's the source??
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:32 am

Maybe these learned Islamic scholars and leaders should have cautioned peace right away, instead of letting this idiotic violence explode the way it did?

Still, such a meeting can only be positive.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 1):
What's the source??

Al-Jazeera tv news channel
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:41 am

Sounds like a good idea. Also, maybe the Islamic leaders can clear up what Qaddafi meant a couple of months ago when he said " westerners should put Jesus next to naked women" etc etc ... this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc

I'm all for dialogue!

Also wanted to add: Maybe they can ask those Islamic scholars why Pope let the largest mosque in Europe to be built in Rome close to the Vatican yet Christians can't build a church in Saudi Arabia or worship publicly. They could also clarify why a Muslim cannot convert to other religions, unless he wants to be killed, as we saw earlier on this year in Afghanistan (a liberated democratic country nonetheless  Yeah sure)

[Edited 2006-09-23 00:45:05]
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Maybe these learned Islamic scholars and leaders should have cautioned peace right away, instead of letting this idiotic violence explode the way it did?

They could not as they for sure were rather surprised about the whole commotion. Not least as they may well have understood the complicated and long speech of the Pope, quite in contrast to the press-corps

Quoting Marco (Reply 4):
those Islamic scholars

they canNOT speak for Saudi Arabia. Except whomever may be around from Saudi Arabia.
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:08 am

Hope they get patted down and searched prior to entering the building.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:09 am

they canNOT speak for Saudi Arabia. Except whomever may be around from Saudi Arabia.

The problem is that it's not just Saudi Arabia. It's any Islamic country in general - sure the laws might vary in terms of strictness but there's a big problem throughout the Islamic world. Saudi Arabia is the center of Islam so it should concern them anyway.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Still, such a meeting can only be positive.

One would hope so, but Pope Benedict hasn't impress me with his people skills, basically I think he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time.
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 3):
Al-Jazeera tv news channel
Alex!!!

Yes, that channel, preferred by 4 out of 5 terrorists worldwide.


Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
They could not as they for sure were rather surprised about the whole commotion.

You're joking? Aftert the violence unleashed after a freaking CARTOON was put out earlier in the year?

It's nice that the Islamic radicals have such a friend in their corner, MAF, who can explain away everything they do.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
You're joking? Aftert the violence unleashed after a freaking CARTOON was put out earlier in the year?

The whole commotion started rather suddenly, not leaving them much chance

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
It's nice that the Islamic radicals have such a friend in their corner, MAF, who can explain away everything they do.

it was not just the radicals who were involved
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Yes, that channel, preferred by 4 out of 5 terrorists worldwide.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Is that's why Bush wanted to destroy it?
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:23 am

He could have destroyed it if he wanted to. You should thank him for not doing so.  Wink
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Al-Jazeera tv news channel
Alex!!!

Yes, that channel, preferred by 4 out of 5 terrorists worldwide.

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did you make a poll with terrorists you know ? Good TV-stations are of course also watched by terrorists. Fidel Castro watches CNN. Is CNN therefore a Cuban Communist outlet ?
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
did you make a poll with terrorists you know ?

 rotfl   rotfl 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:49 am

I coudln't get the properties on this political cartoon, but it is perfect for this thread.

http://www.usatoday.com/opinion/cart...op1=&gdrop2=John%20Deering&gdrop3=

Hilarious.

As for Alex! and MAF, your humor, such as it is, doesn't change the fact that you, living in free nations, stand squarly on the side of those who would love to take your freedoms from you.

So yuk it up. Those of us who know better are laughing at your incredible naivete.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 4):
this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc

Out of the whole post this seems to be the most logical question, would really like the imams answering them.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 8):
I think he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time.

Can you please elaborate a little bit more this statement please ?
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 8):
basically I think he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time.

Omce again. I respect your way of thinking about HH The Pope. But why do yo think that he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time ?
Arguments ?
Reasons ?

Hope you have at least more than one.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:49 pm

Good to see the Pope taking a lead to diffuse an Unnecessary Flareup.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
stand squarly on the side of those who would love to take your freedoms from you.

rubbish! I never did and never will "stand on the side of ..... who would love to take freedom". I am squarely opposed to restrictive and negative parties like Hizbullah, Hamas, MuslimBrotherhood (Egypt), IslamicSalvationParty (Algeria), SVP (Switzerland), FN (France) etc . You just again make things up.
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:32 pm

These envoys are mainly scholastic theologians, not the street level hate-preachers. These are the normal channels of communication between the Pope and those street level hate-preachers.

Falcon84,
The protests on "Let's protest anything that we can brand as an attack in the hate everyone" campaign, were orchestrated by the hate preachers, not these guys who normally are in a dialogue with the Vatican. On the Danish cartoons, there were small protests in Indonesia, many felt offended but did not demonstrate. However, it takes time for these theologians to get their word across... eventually, people understood the meaning of the cartoon, at least their decision to be offended by it or not, is an informed one, and many chose to "stop being offended" by it.

By the way, thanks for the link to the cartoon! LOL Shows exactly why these dialogues are needed...

Marco,
I have a few friends who converted from Islam... they didn't get stoned to death and nor were they shunned... Well, I'm not from Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia obviously!

The problem with the Saudi is the Saudification of Islam they're trying to do! The fact that they are by geography is the center of the Islamic world is causing problems. I wish Mecca and Medina becomes a specially administered region... Though if that is ever suggested, the Saud family would do everything it has to prevent such a thing...

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By the way guys, whatever happened to the "international conference for religious tolerance" ???? I never heard of it again after 2001...

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:09 pm

According to Welt an Sonntag the EU commisioner José Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.

The reaction of extremists is the problem, not the what the Pope said about the 14th century emperor who wrote that islam is an evil and violant religion.

Ex president of Spain José Maria Aznar defends the Pope and his statement about islam, "it´s blown out of preportion" Aznar said.

I have to agree, why this tip-toeing about what to say or not to say about islam?

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Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
According to Welt an Sonntag the EU commisioner José Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.

Maybe someone should refresh Mr. Barroso's memory, because the EU shamefully failed to stand behind Denmark during the cartoon hysteria as well, even expressed regrets that abuot freedom of expression causing riots of fanatical mobs and did not even demand apology for destruction of its own property. Instead EU's very own EU chief foreign appeaser Solana went to Saudi Arabia and sucked up to wahabists.
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:09 pm

I hope something positive comes out of this. I have a sick feeling that these muslims will try to hurt the man and focus there attention and aggression on Catholics.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
Jos� Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.

His problem is that he fails to realize that there is no "conflict of the Pope with the Muslim World", but that there was some commotion about a speech.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
Ex president of Spain Jos� Maria Aznar defends the Pope and his statement about islam, "it�s blown out of preportion" Aznar said.

Beside the point that the head-of-state of Spain is King Juan Carlos and Jos� Maria Aznar was PRIME MINISTER, Aznar got it totally right.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 23):
Instead EU's very own EU chief foreign appeaser Solana went to Saudi Arabia and sucked up to wahabists.

rubbish! Solana is NOT an appeaser but a good diplomat, and he did NOT "suck up" but went there and explained matters.
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 25):
Solana is NOT an appeaser but a good diplomat, and he did NOT "suck up" but went there and explained matters.

Going to Saudi Arabia, issuing guarantees that no such cartoons will be published again (I wonder on behalf of whom this not elected by anyone, not accountable to anyone EUrocrat was speaking) is indeed "sucking up" and a futile as well as naive effort to appease one of the most evil among Muslim extremists.
It's just scary to think this guy was head of NATO at one time.

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 26):
issuing guarantees that no such cartoons will be published again

I am sorry, but is there ANY evidence that he really DID this ??? I mean even an elected politician in a democratic country canNOT guarantee such things.
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 4):
Sounds like a good idea. Also, maybe the Islamic leaders can clear up what Qaddafi meant a couple of months ago when he said " westerners should put Jesus next to naked women" etc etc ... this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc

I'm all for dialogue!

Also wanted to add: Maybe they can ask those Islamic scholars why Pope let the largest mosque in Europe to be built in Rome close to the Vatican yet Christians can't build a church in Saudi Arabia or worship publicly. They could also clarify why a Muslim cannot convert to other religions, unless he wants to be killed, as we saw earlier on this year in Afghanistan (a liberated democratic country nonetheless

Very well put once again...

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 26):
It's just scary to think this guy was head of NATO at one time.

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:26 am

I have a few friends who converted from Islam... they didn't get stoned to death and nor were they shunned... Well, I'm not from Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia obviously!

I doubt the masses would be too happy if they knew that your friends converted from Islam, even in Indonesia. Anyway, I'm not sure what the punishment (or lack thereof) is for "apostates" in Indonesia but throughout the Arab world it's death. Whether it's carried out or not is another question. Society also shuns it - but yet at the same time hypcritically encourages people to convert to Islam through incentives (lowering prison sentences, giving money, etc).

The problem with the Saudi is the Saudification of Islam they're trying to do! The fact that they are by geography is the center of the Islamic world is causing problems. I wish Mecca and Medina becomes a specially administered region... Though if that is ever suggested, the Saud family would do everything it has to prevent such a thing...

Well to be fair Islam did start there...
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
According to Welt an Sonntag the EU commisioner José Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.

The reaction of extremists is the problem, not the what the Pope said about the 14th century emperor who wrote that islam is an evil and violant religion.

Ex president of Spain José Maria Aznar defends the Pope and his statement about islam, "it´s blown out of preportion" Aznar said.

I have to agree, why this tip-toeing about what to say or not to say about islam?

Micke//

Very good post and I agree completely! We can and will say anything we like about Islam, who are at best un-informed, but well-intentioned towards Europe. At worst.. well. No need to put it in words.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 25):
His problem is that he fails to realize that there is no "conflict of the Pope with the Muslim World", but that there was some commotion about a speech.

It is disappointing to see that very few EU leaders stand with the Pope, but not surprising. The EU is not a religious Union, but political.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 25):
Beside the point that the head-of-state of Spain is King Juan Carlos and Jos� Maria Aznar was PRIME MINISTER, Aznar got it totally right.

You are an immigrant from outside Europe who lives in Switzerland, so I don't expect you to know anything about Spain, but Aznar was indeed the President. The office of prime minister is called Presidente del Gobierno, the President. The current president of Spain is José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero. In English this is commonly, but incorrectly, referred to as prime-minister.

Educate yourself, before presuming to speak on authority about things you have no clue about, ok?

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Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
The reaction of extremists is the problem, not the what the Pope said about the 14th century emperor who wrote that islam is an evil and violant religion.

Ex president of Spain José Maria Aznar defends the Pope and his statement about islam, "it´s blown out of preportion" Aznar said.

I have to agree, why this tip-toeing about what to say or not to say about islam?

I was in Scotland during this particular flareup, and since we were on vacation, paid very little attention to any news. What struck me about the whole affair was the irony of some Muslims responding with violence to a comment by the Pope about six century old comments about the relationship of violence and Islam. Resorting to violent protest isn't the most effective way to argue against someone who has questioned your religion's relationship to violence.......
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 30):
You are an immigrant from outside Europe who lives in Switzerland, so I don't expect you to know anything about Spain, but Aznar was indeed the President.

Deary me! What was the benefit of adding that bitchy little paragraph in there, when in actual fact, you're agreeing with him! Take a chill pill; in actual fact, take a table spoon of arsenic and do us all a favour!
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 30):
Presidente del Gobierno

which in English language, the "official" language of a.net is a PRIME MINISTER. Before becoming rough, you might consider basics
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:42 am

The Pope can bond with Islamic fanatics on issues they agree on and people they both hate or consider worthy of open derision: gays, women, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus.

Nothing like two tired pre-historic shamans setting aside their differences.

Makes one all warm and fuzzy inside.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 34):
The Pope can bond with Islamic fanatics on issues they agree on and people they both hate or consider worthy of open derision: gays, women, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus

I had no idea that the Pope hated Jews, Buddhists and Hindus. Perhaps you could too explain the visit of John Paul II and Benedict XVI to a synagogue, the many times that the Dalai Lama was welcomed by JP II in the Vatican and why he invited Hindu clergy to pray together in Assisi.

Regarding gays and women, it's a matter of opinion but hate and derision are not accurate to describe the Catholic view in homosexuality and certainly not in women's issues, unless of course abortion is the only thing to look at in the Catholic doctrine regarding women.

I hope the meeting will help to put this behind.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 35):


I hope the meeting will help to put this behind.

Your hope is in vain. Once the world puts religion behind, we'll all be better off.
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:11 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 30):
You are an immigrant from outside Europe who lives in Switzerland

Really? hehe ME AVN FAN, you never came clean about this... Where are you from- originally?

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:34 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):
What struck me about the whole affair was the irony of some Muslims responding with violence to a comment by the Pope about six century old comments about the relationship of violence and Islam. Resorting to violent protest isn't the most effective way to argue against someone who has questioned your religion's relationship to violence.......

I couldn't of said it better myself. Who do they think they are holding protests and such over a comment made by a religious figure? There's muslims everyhwere saying that the Christian infidels must die, yet do you see priests coming out and demanding appologies? Why should it be the Pope and Catholics who have to make peace, and not Muslims? Why do you always here Muslims on the TV/radio saying that people need to learn more about their religion? Why don't they come out and embrace the people and make them want to find out more?

Here in Australia the PM has a Muslim advisor comitee which are always up in arms about something. Why should Muslims have the special comitee and not Hindus, Jews, or Buddhists? What makes Australia's Islamic population more important than any other religion?

I know that alot of people here have opposing views, but I'm sorry, this just pisses me off.

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 38):
Here in Australia the PM has a Muslim advisor comitee which are always up in arms about something. Why should Muslims have the special comitee and not Hindus, Jews, or Buddhists? What makes Australia's Islamic population more important than any other religion?

This is a repeating pattern, and I think your question is fair.
All religions should be treated with respect, but this is insane, because it all happens while some want Islam to spread and at the same time claim it is under attack  no  Makes no sense, when the west is secular...

Also since when does criticiszing terrorists, political islamists and violence done in the name of Islam, become a personal attack on any peaceful Muslim? This overeaction has been witnessed several times lately, in this forum alone...

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 33):

which in English language, the "official" language of a.net is a PRIME MINISTER. Before becoming rough, you might consider basics

No, that is not true. You are most ignorant of Spanish government - quite naturally, but don't try and push your ignorance as truth to those who know better.

And I should.

You said that Aznar was not the head of state, based on him being called the President of Spain. Goes to show how little you know.

The office of the President of the Government is equal to Prime Minister in most countries, but in Spain it is still called the Presidency.

While correct to use Prime Minister, in the case of Spain, it is even more correct to refer to him as the President. That is what he is. You didn't know that Aznar was the President of Spain and you tried to dismiss the article as being factually incorrect or ill-researched because of this.

You were wrong, the article was right.

As an aside, prime minister is primer ministro in Spanish, and the Presidente del Gobierno is never referred to as such. The UK Prime Minister is Primer Ministro del Reino Unido.

So this is a distinct office in Spain, similar to, but not the same as the office of Prime Minister. J.L.R. Zapatero is the current President of Spain, the last President was Aznar, so the article is 100% correct an you are simply flat out wrong.

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Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 40):
The office of the President of the Government is equal to Prime Minister in most countries, but in Spain it is still called the Presidency.

ok, ok, I accept this in principle. But if you translate it into English, you simply have to accept that the head of government is NOT the "president" with that English word. Just to give an example. High-ranking Swiss ambassadors had the title "Minister" as those 7 people in the Federal government are NOT ministers but Federal Councillers. But Switzerland had to stop this practice when the United Kingdom most harshly protested in Berne many decades ago about "misleading practices". And since then there are no "ministers" any longer. And while the Bundeskanzler of Germany is the head of their government, the two Bundeskanzler in Switzerland are just Heads of the Protocol ! But even in Switzerland, if people talk about THE Bundeskanzler, the German one is meant usually.
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:31 am

I think he should organise an iftar in their honour and then try to entertain them, so that everyone realises that there is better to do in life than war.
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):

so MAF... Where are you from? Originally... I was born here in DK... Let me hear about your roots  Smile

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting Windshear (Reply 43):



Quoting Windshear (Reply 43):
are you

I just a week ago got a brand new Swiss passport. Really nicely decorated .
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:36 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 42):
I think he should organise an iftar in their honour and then try to entertain them, so that everyone realises that there is better to do in life than war.

Yup,like organising a circus "The antecedent Pope use to enjoy circus a lot"
and after that ,a biiiig vegetarian pizza with alcohol free beer
Happy iftar to all  Wink
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 44):
I just a week ago got a brand new Swiss passport. Really nicely decorated .

But where are you from originally?  Smile

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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting Windshear (Reply 46):
where

Oran
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 47):
Oran

Oran and Wahran are the same ,isn't it ?I have been in Tlemsen and Wahran.....Wonderfull place,make's me remember the Kalifa's era !And tlemsen is the Muslim Vatican !
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Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !Jeg har en lidenskap for luftfart!j'ai
 
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RE: Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 48):
Oran and Wahran

of course. If you replace the "wa" by "Oua" then you get it. The "O" was a French invention. And they killed the kh as they could not deal with this letter.
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You may however realize that Oran just as most of Algeria in the 50ies had a very sad history, when more than a million Algerians got killed, with 10'000s of orphans "rescued" to Europe or to Egypt, very often by separating brother and sister, etc. But, well, on visit, "homecomer" realize that everybody looks like them, moves like them, feels like them, ........... strange but nice .

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