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Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:02 am

I generally loathe taggers who vandalize railroad cars with gangsta names and crude pictures. However, I have to admit that some railcar graffito are absolutely beautiful works of art. If only they put their talent to work in more constructive and lucrative means.

Taggers want others to see their work. However, most of them aren't very bright. They paint over the reporting marks on the sides of the railcars, which earns an immediate trip to the paint shop. The more intelligent taggers know enough to leave the reporting marks alone. At least one tried to do more...

Last week while trainspotting (on public property) near Hoffman Junction just across the river from STP, a Union Pacific police officer stopped to check me out. We struck up a conversation that lasted nearly an hour. He told me about the time he caught a tagger in the act. But this tagger carried some unusual items: Masking tape, letter & number stencils, and black and white paint. He was restoring obliterated reporting marks! He told the officer that he was "giving back to the railroads for allowing him to share his art." The tagger had already completed a few railcars and seemed to know what he was doing. The yardmaster said that each obliterated reporting mark that he had repaired was done accurately with letters and numbers of the correct size in the correct locations.

Here are four of my favorites. Does anyone have others to share?









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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:11 am

I don't have any shots of my own, but those are amazing, thanks for sharing. The bottom couple are perfectly executed, it is indeed a shame that they are not somewhere else where they could be preserved. There are some schemes like that here in the UK, and they have been a great success.

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:20 am

Wow, for graffiti, that stuff is great. If I were a train engineer, I would actually be glad to put those cars on my consist. If graffiti would be much like this stuff, I wouldn't mind people who do it.

Anyway, thanks for sharing those pics.
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:05 am

Look what the poor beggers did to this!

http://64.246.11.82/images/f/FJ_GB_01_04.jpg.48121.jpg

I mean the green and yellow.. they could of come up with something more artistic..

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:15 am

 eyepopping  Those are amazing, wow. Beautiful.

Graffiti is a form of art. What has happened is that people associate it with gangs, violence, and claiming territories. This is true to a certain point. To say all graffiti is gang related is wrong. I agree I think its wrong to go and tag on someone's private property. And also I don't agree when its used to claim territory.

However, graffiti is more like public art. It's using your surroundings as a canvas. It's about expressing yourself. Where else can graffiti artists go? At my (art) school lots of people are amazing artists that tag as well. Unfortunately not everyone can afford art school. So what do you do when you have so much talent? You want to show the world. Tagging provides this. For the true graffiti artists it's not about gang banging but more about expression and love for art.

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting EWS (Reply 3):
Look what the poor beggers did to this!

Perhaps they are just beginners.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting EWS (Reply 3):
Look what the poor beggers did to this!

LMAO Lew Big grin


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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:35 am

These are amazing.
I wish we could edit a book with these.

And by the way, do they try to erase these graffitis?
Or do they leave them on the train?
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:57 am

Graffitti can be art. Tagging is vandalism.

The Radisson SAS in Stavanger, Norway invited graffitti artists to paint a big wall on their hotel a few years back. Each week, the wall would be painted white, and at the end of the week, a winner would be named. The wall would then be painted white again. This way, they got a lot of good advertising through the media, while at the same time not having the vandalizing tags on the wall. Some of the pieces were really good.
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Graffitti can be art. Tagging is vandalism.

Even if it's artistic, it's still vandalism. It wouldn't be considered vandalism if it was commissioned in some way.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting EWS (Reply 3):
I mean the green and yellow.. they could of come up with something more artistic

Hey! Green and yellow are nice. Dad worked for green and yellow.  Wink

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):
He told me about the time he caught a tagger in the act. But this tagger carried some unusual items: Masking tape, letter & number stencils, and black and white paint. He was restoring obliterated reporting marks! He told the officer that he was "giving back to the railroads for allowing him to share his art." The tagger had already completed a few railcars and seemed to know what he was doing. The yardmaster said that each obliterated reporting mark that he had repaired was done accurately with letters and numbers of the correct size in the correct locations.

Then what did he do with the guy?

Those trains look great, although you could say they should be allowed to, on passenger trains I don't think it's appropriate, on freight, maybe.

Imagine being at a crossing (whatever you call it) and seeing a train with a hundred carriages, each one painted with something different but special, would be great.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 11):
Then what did he do with the guy?

A quick three mile trip to jail. Second degree criminal trespassing and criminal damage to property would be a couple things he would have been charged with. I'm sure there were several more.

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):

Poor guy, lol.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:59 am

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:28 am



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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:56 am

I've seen some graffiti that is pretty nice. ChiefMark's starter shows some talent (well...I have reservations about the last picture); BUT it is still vandalism and against the law.

Furthermore, who be the judge on what is great, good, acceptable, marginal, sophomoric, bad, really bad, disgusting, pornographic, and/or just basically shit.

Do I dare beg the question of what other vehicles (and I don't mean railroad cars) or avenues (and I don't mean stuff on the street side) these "artists" could be better off spending their creative talents on? I am thinking we all have an idea; I am also thinking that none of us want to support through our tax dollars a free ride for them to paint "art" for "art's sake" to gaa-gaa society with another Campbell's Soup Can Scam.

So, I say prosecute the guys/girls and make them spend a year, with no time off for good behaviour, scrubbing off "art" from MY/YOUR places. Then when they graduate from "art school 201", they can get a degree in graphics application by installing the stripes and shields on police cars without screwing then up.

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):

shit that is some good work
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:00 pm

Until the early 1990's, NY City and it's Subway system was one of the largest mobile 'art' galleries/graffiti postings in the world. As it became more prevailent, it also encouraged more of it, including inside the cars as well as crime and a tolarance of crime. Then under several Police Commissioners and Mayor's Dinkins and Julianaie, they ended it. They made it more difficult for minors to get spary paint, started taking cars out of service and cleaning them often, they repainted subway cars with more paint resistanted coatings and caught a lot of them and made them pay fines and jail time. More recently, NY City has put out a special task force to remove graffiti from public and upon request, private buildings, as it hurts the communities, property values and also encourages criminal beheavor.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:58 pm

I once had a pic of a suburban train in Hamburg which they sprayed in the current color sheme of the german ICE. Another one had a big McDonalds "add" sprayed over the doors. I'll try to find the pics and post them here
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:06 pm

Laughed my ass off when I saw that one in my local train station 3 years ago

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 16):
I've seen some graffiti that is pretty nice. ChiefMark's starter shows some talent (well...I have reservations about the last picture); BUT it is still vandalism and against the law.

A question for AsstChiefMark and all the others enamored of graffiti.

If YOUR car or truck was tagged with a so-called work of "art," would you be as magnanimous as you are when other people's property is vandalized?
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:13 pm

Some of the work looks so detailed, how can they spend the time and not get caught? The bottom line its still vandalism.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:31 am

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/car/regional/RIB-RIO/NiceRioGraffiti1.jpg

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:20 am

Here in Cleveland, the Regional Transit Authority actually invited some well-known graffiti artists from around town to paint the walls at a couple of train stations. When I was riding the train regularly for a few months, I enjoyed looking at their "art."

Perhaps this constructive channeling of the art could spread to other places.
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:29 am

Yes, therein lies the pretty basic issue, Redngold...the "artists" were invited. They did not vandalise other's property. Regards...jack
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 25):
Yes, therein lies the pretty basic issue, Redngold...the "artists" were invited. They did not vandalise other's property. Regards...jack

Well, before people started to invite them, they had to do quite some vandalism to get known.
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
If YOUR car or truck was tagged with a so-called work of "art," would you be as magnanimous as you are when other people's property is vandalized?

Depends on the "Art." I wouldn't mind a few of the stuff pictured above plastered across my truck.
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:21 pm

Graffiti in 99% of it's outings is hideous to be honest however it can be extremely good, I have no idea how the better guys do it! I remember when I was at school we had a book in the library that was a compilation of some of the best street art, mostly from LA, NYC, Detroit and DC if I remember. A lot of it was done in memory of a fellow gang member killed and so it was highly respected stuff and was well 'maintained'. Some of it was eyepoppingly insane....
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:57 pm

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:07 pm

Here are four more really good ones.







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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:10 pm

Some of those art works in pictures above are truly nice. It would be nice to have some boring white, grey, silver freight carrages here in New Zealand painted up with nice art work. I remember arriving at my local Train station on a bus one morning while heading to school in 2002 and there was a passenger unit arriving at the station heading into Wellington and the art work or grafitti was really nice. Other passengers on the bus were realy impressed with the art work on the unit and I thought the work warrented it remaining on the unit, but remove the paint from the windows and replace the paint with special window covering that has the art on it that enables inside passengers to still see outside but people outside can only see as far as the window covering. Its used regulary on buses when a company has some side advertising that coveres some windows or a bus is painted all over in advertising.

There are a few shops/diarys/supermarkets in some of Wellingtons suburbs that are inviting some taggers to show on paper some of their art work and then letting the best tagger paint one of their walls that faces onto the road or car park. Some of those taggers deserve contracts to paint other walls. One even makes a living out of it. Some people really have excellent tallent skills while others have crap skills and resort to spraying their 'logos' or slain words/pictures on private fences, garages etc
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:28 pm

Seriously, how the hell do you do that? How can someone paint that good with some spray cans? It boggles my mind.


Very fascinating and nice stuff it has to be said.
 
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 27):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
If YOUR car or truck was tagged with a so-called work of "art," would you be as magnanimous as you are when other people's property is vandalized?


Depends on the "Art." I wouldn't mind a few of the stuff pictured above plastered across my truck.

Good. Then please make sure graffiti "artists" only tag your truck, and tose belonging to others who believe the same way you do. And leave the rest of us alone.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 30):
Here are four more really good ones.

I notice you haven't bothered to answer my question. If YOUR car or truck was tagged with a so-called work of "art," would you be as magnanimous as you are when other people's property is vandalized?
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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 33):
I notice you haven't bothered to answer my question

No. I don't approve of it. I'm just saying that some of it is aesthetically pleasing.

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RE: Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 26):
Well, before people started to invite them, they had to do quite some vandalism to get known.

Not necessarily - some are neighborhood artists who chose to do their work in the graffiti style. They can be legitimate muralists and memorialists.
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