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US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:16 am

I don't know how much is Dennis Kucinich trustworthy (I'm not an expert of US politics), but this article is a bit scary.

www.afterdowningstreet.org


he Bush Administration is preparing for war against Iran, using an almost identical drumbeat of weapons of mass destruction, imminent threat, alleged links to Al Queda, and even linking Iran with a future 911.

In the past few months reports have been published in Newsweek, ABC News and GQ Magazine that indicate the US is recruiting members of paramilitary groups to destabilize Iran through violence. The New Yorker magazine and the Guardian have written that US has already deployed military inside Iran. The latest issue of Time writes of plans for a naval blockade of Iran at the Port of Hormuz, through which 40% of the world's oil supply passes. Other news reports have claimed that an air strike, using a variety of bombs including bunker busters to be dropped on over 1,000 targets, including nuclear facilities. This could obviously result in a great long term humanitarian and environmental disaster.
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Just this past week, the International Atomic Energy Agency called "erroneous, misleading and unsubstantiated" statements relating to Iran's nuclear program which came from a staff report of the House Intelligence committee. Other intelligence officials have claimed over a dozen distortions in the report which, among other things, said Iran is producing weapons grade uranium.


Any opinion?
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
Any opinion?

Yup . . . it's mostly  redflag 

1) Direct negotiations with Iran.

Already being done.

(2) The US must guarantee Iran and the world community that it will not attack Iran.

 rotfl 

(3) Iran must open once again to international inspections of its nuclear program.

 rotfl 

(4) Iran must agree not to build nuclear weapons.

 rotfl 

Many of you joined me three years ago as I ran for President . . . .

Yeah, about 12 people I think.


. . . . to challenge the deliberate lies about WMDs, Iraq and 911, Iraq and Al Queda and the Niger "yellowcake" claims which put us onto the path of an unnecessary, illegal, costly war in Iraq.

Most of which weren't even brought to light three years ago, but I guess that's beside the point. With the short memory of most Americans good ole Dennis will bag 'em and tag 'em with this bull.


The Iraq war has caused greater instability and violence in the world community. In the meantime, our government has used the oxymoronic war on terror to trample our Constitution, rip up the Bill of Rights and rule by fear.

He sounds like a Democrat . . .
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
He sounds like a Democrat . . .

No, he sounds like he's read the National Intelligence Estimate report.
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
. . . . to challenge the deliberate lies about WMDs, Iraq and 911, Iraq and Al Queda and the Niger "yellowcake" claims which put us onto the path of an unnecessary, illegal, costly war in Iraq.

Most of which weren't even brought to light three years ago, but I guess that's beside the point.

The ya-didn't-know-we-were-liars-then defense!

Almost spilled my coffee laughing at this one.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:12 am

Hey as far as I am concerned, I am already at war with Iran.

Because when I was engaged by that IRANIAN made surface to air missile... that was financed, produced and supplied by the nation of Iran... yeah I took that as a message they wanted me dead.

-UH60
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
National Intelligence Estimate

Interesting to note that after the report was partly declassified, no new stories have been published to confirm the original stories. Wonder why?
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Hey as far as I am concerned, I am already at war with Iran.

Because when I was engaged by that IRANIAN made surface to air missile... that was financed, produced and supplied by the nation of Iran... yeah I took that as a message they wanted me dead.

I assume you are referring to a weapon built by Iran, but not fired by Iran since I never heard of a direct attack by Iran on US forces.

If this is correct, your posting is nonsense since we might as well accuse Boeing for 9-11 since (using YOUR criteria) the planes involved were financed, produced, and supplied by Boeing. Were we in a state of war with the Soviet Union when we supplied shoulder mount missiles to the taliban to help them in their fight against the USSR?

This kind of reasoning is no better than a fundamentalist's since it is blind to shades of gray and therefore escalates all issues, no matter how minor, to levels demanding heavy handed responses.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
The Iraq war has caused greater instability and violence in the world community. In the meantime, our government has used the oxymoronic war on terror to trample our Constitution, rip up the Bill of Rights and rule by fear.

He sounds like a Democrat . . .

Agreed. Sadly, Kucinich tends to cast too many pearls before the swine.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 6):

Padraig, when I said I was no longer going to engage you in any level of debate, I wasn't kidding around.   

And I'm only saying thing now, because since that day, this is like the 10th post you've directed towards me... and not one received a response from me. Obviously there's a reason, no?

You personally insulted me on that past thread, you refused to acknowledge your mistake, let alone apologize for it. And then you wrote me a convoluted email, where you not only continued to avoid taking responsibility for your rude remarks and apologize... you managed to insult me AGAIN by blaming the incident on my youth and inexperience.

Like I said the first time, you don't have my respect, let alone any responses from me. So please stop wasting your time.

-UH60

[Edited 2006-09-28 19:15:22]
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 6):
Because when I was engaged by that IRANIAN made surface to air missile... that was financed, produced and supplied by the nation of Iran... yeah I took that as a message they wanted me dead.

I assume you are referring to a weapon built by Iran, but not fired by Iran since I never heard of a direct attack by Iran on US forces.

Let me see if I can explain it better:

Iran supplied the missiles to the 'insurgents' for the express purpose of fighting the US. Iran has supplied money and weapons for these 'insurgents' for the express purpose of fighting against the US. Boeing DID NOT provide airplanes to the 9/11 terrorists for the purpose of crashing them into buildings.

Get it?
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
I don't know how much is Dennis Kucinich trustworthy

Being from Ohio I can say he is an idiot! Do nothing attention whore, get his name out in the press. He was once the Mayor of Cleveland, though that was before I moved here.
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):
Let me see if I can explain it better:

Iran supplied the missiles to the 'insurgents' for the express purpose of fighting the US. Iran has supplied money and weapons for these 'insurgents' for the express purpose of fighting against the US. Boeing DID NOT provide airplanes to the 9/11 terrorists for the purpose of crashing them into buildings.

This is why I also included the example (which you ignored) of the US supporting the Taliban when it suited them to cover the scenario where there was also a political intent in addition to making weapons available.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
The Iraq war has caused greater instability and violence in the world community. In the meantime, our government has used the oxymoronic war on terror to trample our Constitution, rip up the Bill of Rights and rule by fear.

He sounds like a Democrat . . .

Sorry ANC, using lines like that basically reduces your argument to the level of his. I don't agree with his hyperbole, but you know from my posts I'm concerned with the direction the administration is taking us, the (thankfully dead as it stands) monitoring bill is a prime example of that. And it didn't even give the President everything he wanted! You're using Democrat as a pejorative term, you know damn well there are plenty of us who question/disagree with Bush & Co who are as loyal and patriotic as you.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
Interesting to note that after the report was partly declassified, no new stories have been published to confirm the original stories. Wonder why?

What have you been reading? Everything I've seen says exactly what I read when the story broke over the weekend, including articles in today's papers. Al-Quaida is bloodied and dispersed, Iraq is a breeding ground for a new generation, fanaticism is more widespread and growing, and not as reliant on a central structure (Al-Qaida) as in the past.

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 6):
If this is correct, your posting is nonsense since we might as well accuse Boeing for 9-11 since (using YOUR criteria) the planes involved were financed, produced, and supplied by Boeing. Were we in a state of war with the Soviet Union when we supplied shoulder mount missiles to the Taliban to help them in their fight against the USSR?

As Andes already pointed out, you're comparison of Iran and Boeing makes your accusation of nonsensical posts sorta ironic. And to answer your question about Taliban/Russia, yes, we were fighting a proxy war with the Soviet Union, almost identical to what Iran is doing with the insurgents. I can only hope that it comes back to bite them in the ass the way it has us.

As far as the original question, no I can't believe we're preparing for war. I don't doubt that there are contingency studies and scenarios laid out, but that is SOP for any nation. In the current state of affairs, I can't think of a single act that would come closer to toppling the current administration than taking us to war against Iran. And as much as I distrust this admin, I can't help but believe they have the intelligence to realize we're already stretched to the breaking point and couldn't pursue another action without resolution of our current engagements.
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:35 am

having just spent two weeks travelling in Iran where I met nothing but warm , delightful , hospitable , courteous people my blood runs cold at the casual way people are talking about war - I certainly don't agree with a lot of things the Iranian government does in terms of human rights violations - but in my experience neither do a large number of ordinary Iranian people .

If the USA decides to attack Iran who is going to suffer ? the crackpot Iranian government who no doubt have access to the best shelters ? or the ordinary people of Iran ?

At the moment , while the government is spouting its usual rhetoric the general population seem to be getting more and more liberal and western-oriented - I am sure that in the next few years the younger generation in Iran will push through enormous changes ( one of the great ironies in Iran is that the theocracy sowed the seeds of its own destruction after the 1979 revolution by bullying people into having at least 6 children per family - there is now a huge population bulge of young people hungry for change and who , inspite of , or maybe even because of , their governments anti-western rhetoric seem to be getting more and more pro-western ) all of this burgeoning goodwill will be destroyed if the current halfwitted hamfisted occupant of the White House decides that a war will make him look like a real man .

If he launches an attack which is going to hurt the civilian population of Iran far more than it will hurt any of the Iranian government he will turn the clock back nearly thirty years to a time when it wasn't just the government in Iran , but also the people who were virulently anti-west .
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 13):
And to answer your question about Taliban/Russia, yes, we were fighting a proxy war with the Soviet Union, almost identical to what Iran is doing with the insurgents. I can only hope that it comes back to bite them in the ass the way it has us.

Agreed, but point is there are different degrees of escalation and major differences between proxy wars and all out wars. Going off half-cocked and equating the former with the latter is sabre-rattling needlessly. Righteous sabre-rattling already helped get us into the mess we're in; it's absurd to repeat the same mistakes and set us up for the same pitfalls.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 6):
If this is correct, your posting is nonsense since we might as well accuse Boeing for 9-11 since (using YOUR criteria) the planes involved were financed, produced, and supplied by Boeing.

Talk about a backwards argument.

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 6):
Were we in a state of war with the Soviet Union when we supplied shoulder mount missiles to the taliban to help them in their fight against the USSR?

The Cold War was the closest-to-official-as-can-be-kind-of-war.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):
Iran supplied the missiles to the 'insurgents' for the express purpose of fighting the US. Iran has supplied money and weapons for these 'insurgents' for the express purpose of fighting against the US. Boeing DID NOT provide airplanes to the 9/11 terrorists for the purpose of crashing them into buildings.



Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 11):
This is why I also included the example (which you ignored) of the US supporting the Taliban when it suited them to cover the scenario where there was also a political intent in addition to making weapons available.

The US supported the Taliban, and the Iranians have supported the insurgents. But there is no correlation in your post with 9-11. The weapons (aircraft) used in 9-11 were not supplied to the terrorists. Making sense 1 out of 2 times in your comparisons is a poor average.

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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 13):
In the current state of affairs, I can't think of a single act that would come closer to toppling the current administration than taking us to war against Iran.

What do they have to lose by launching another "preemptive" attack? The current Bush Administration's mandate ceases to exist effective January, 2009.

Given the track record of this administration, is it too far-fetched to think that they may go in, create a mess and say: "Fu*k it", let the upcoming administration deal with the consequences."?

In my opinion,unfortunately, they have nothing to lose by doing this.

Yet, with the lessons hopefully learned it Iraq, will Congress allow the President to do such a thing and will Congress provide a rubber-stamp to fund such an undertaking? That remains to be seen until after mid-term elections are held and how the balance of power unfolds.

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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
( one of the great ironies in Iran is that the theocracy sowed the seeds of its own destruction after the 1979 revolution by bullying people into having at least 6 children per family - there is now a huge population bulge of young people hungry for change and who , inspite of , or maybe even because of , their governments anti-western rhetoric seem to be getting more and more pro-western )

Had the same speech with an Iranian exile a few days ago, and he confirmed the same to me. Iranian youths seem to be one of the most pro-western Muslims in the world.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
but also the people who were virulently anti-west .

I have been doing some reading on the Iranian revolution, and was surprised at what actually occurred. But no, there were not many anti-Western types in Iran at the time.

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 15):
it's absurd to repeat the same mistakes and set us up for the same pitfalls.

To be fair, there is no evidence of any imminent attack on Iran. All these discussions are mere assumptions with no real evidence.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 18):
Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 15):
it's absurd to repeat the same mistakes and set us up for the same pitfalls.


To be fair, there is no evidence of any imminent attack on Iran. All these discussions are mere assumptions with no real evidence.

I agree, but Bush did say "all options are on the table" in this context, and there has already been some sabre-rattling.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 15):
Going off half-cocked and equating the former with the latter is sabre-rattling needlessly. Righteous sabre-rattling already helped get us into the mess we're in; it's absurd to repeat the same mistakes and set us up for the same pitfalls.

Perhaps, but as I read UH60's post, it wasn't an excuse to go to war, so much as a statement that from his position, he's already fighting that war, albeit by proxy. I can't argue with his reasoning.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
there is now a huge population bulge of young people hungry for change and who , inspite of , or maybe even because of , their governments anti-western rhetoric seem to be getting more and more pro-western

This matches everything I've heard, and is probably our greatest hope in reaching some sort of reconcilliation with Iran in the future. It's my sincere hope that that chance doesn't get fucked up by hard liners, on either side.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 18):
To be fair, there is no evidence of any imminent attack on Iran. All these discussions are mere assumptions with no real evidence.

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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
I don't know how much is Dennis Kucinich trustworthy (I'm not an expert of US politics), but this article is a bit scary.

Dennis is about as left as you can go in Congress, but he serves his constituents well, no matter what their political stripe. He's pretty popular in Cleveland.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Many of you joined me three years ago as I ran for President . . . .

Yeah, about 12 people I think.

 rotfl 

Actually, it was a baker's dozen, ANC-I think it was 13. Superfly was an honorary member.  Big grin

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 6):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Hey as far as I am concerned, I am already at war with Iran.

Because when I was engaged by that IRANIAN made surface to air missile... that was financed, produced and supplied by the nation of Iran... yeah I took that as a message they wanted me dead.

I assume you are referring to a weapon built by Iran, but not fired by Iran since I never heard of a direct attack by Iran on US forces.

If this is correct, your posting is nonsense since we might as well accuse Boeing for 9-11 since (using YOUR criteria) the planes involved were financed, produced, and supplied by Boeing.

Pad, what you say is nonsense. Boeing didn't give the aircraft to the terrorists-Iran DID hand over the weapons to those thugs UH60 has had to face. In his shoes, he is dead on-Iran, in a sense, has declared war on the U.S. via proxy in Iraq-just as they declared war on Israel via proxy in Lebanon.

Your posting is nonsense. I'll stand by UH60 on this one.
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):

The Iraq war has caused greater instability and violence in the world community. In the meantime, our government has used the oxymoronic war on terror to trample our Constitution, rip up the Bill of Rights and rule by fear.

He sounds like a Democrat . . .

Why, because he points out what's actually happening?

*plonk*

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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Hey as far as I am concerned, I am already at war with Iran.

Came across this a few minutes ago. I think everyone already knew Iran and Syria were known entry points into Iraq for foreign fighters. In the meantime, and I dont have the link, but the KSA is building a fence along its borders with Iraq to keep "terrorists" out of the Kingdom.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/28/iraq.iran/index.html

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
As far as the original question, no I can't believe we're preparing for war. I don't doubt that there are contingency studies and scenarios laid out, but that is SOP for any nation. In the current state of affairs, I can't think of a single act that would come closer to toppling the current administration than taking us to war against Iran. And as much as I distrust this admin, I can't help but believe they have the intelligence to realize we're already stretched to the breaking point and couldn't pursue another action without resolution of our current engagements.

This is not something new, there are probably contingency plans for any large country on what would be the best plan regarding the use of military forces in another country. THe US has them, everyone does. I am sure there are plenty of plans around the Pentagon concerning Iran and many other countries.

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 16):
Yet, with the lessons hopefully learned it Iraq, will Congress allow the President to do such a thing and will Congress provide a rubber-stamp to fund such an undertaking? That remains to be seen until after mid-term elections are held and how the balance of power unfolds.

You will not see a Iraq style US invasion of Iran unless they nuked Israel or another close ally, the Bush administration, despite not really publicly admitting it, knows that A. we dont have enough soldiers and equipment to fight another war, and a ground battle with Iran would not go as well as the 3 weeks it took to take Baghdad. I doubt we will even see airstrikes in Iran. But Iran could throw a serious wrench in the process if they mounted a military invasion into Iraq, doubt it would happen. But that would take a bad situation and make it unthinkable.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Because when I was engaged by that IRANIAN made surface to air missile... that was financed, produced and supplied by the nation of Iran... yeah I took that as a message they wanted me dead.

The UK faced British, French and US sourced and funded arms during the Falklands conflict, were we really at war with those countries?
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:37 am

Were those weapons donated to Argentina with the express purpose of killing the British? There is the difference.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 23):
The UK faced British, French and US sourced and funded arms during the Falklands conflict, were we really at war with those countries?

Weapons sold to them when they were peaceful friends. This is an entirely different situation: a belligerant nation, handing weapons over to belligerant terrorists, SPECIFICALLY to use against U.S. troops.

Nice to try and apologize for those scumbags Iran and Al Qaeda, but no go, Richard.
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 18):
but Bush did say "all options are on the table" in this context, and there has already been some sabre-rattling.

And if GWB hadn't said "all options are on the table", you would be accussing him of being unprepared for what may happen. And I assume you are talking about the sabre-rattling coming from Iran, aren't you?
 
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 26):
And if GWB hadn't said "all options are on the table", you would be accussing him of being unprepared for what may happen.

My dislike for Mr. Bush aside, in such a situation, diplomacy HAS to be backed up with threat of sanctions or military action. If it isn't, then the diplomacy will go nowhere.
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:50 am

I shook Dennis K's hand and had a chat with him long ago outside of a coffee shop on Detroit in Lakewood. I can vouch that he is a human and not an alien being as some (not here) have suggested. I can also vouch for the fact he had two super babes by his side. He introduced them as some sort of assistants. He is a pretty reasonable guy with unfortunately just a few more pie in the sky ideas than he should have at his age.

Is the U.S. preparing for war with Iran? Does the Pope bless muslims? The real question is will we go to war with Iran and that is a completely different argument altogether. But the simple answer is, only if they give us a real provocation such as exploding a nuke outside their borders.
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:13 pm

Any attempt to military invade Iran would be a horrible disaster. It would probably lead to horrible affects, including massive attacks on Israel terror attacks in Europe and the USA. Israel would of course retailate, probably using nuke weapons. In effect, it would be the end of the world.
We must put pressure on Bush, Congress, the Senate, the Military to NEVER consider an attack upon Iran.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
having just spent two weeks travelling in Iran

Thank you. Someone with first hand knowledge of the additudes and inclinations of the "people", who are always the last consideration in any military operation.
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 28):
Is the U.S. preparing for war with Iran? Does the Pope bless muslims? The real question is will we go to war with Iran and that is a completely different argument altogether. But the simple answer is, only if they give us a real provocation such as exploding a nuke outside their borders.

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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 26):
And if GWB hadn't said "all options are on the table", you would be accussing him of being unprepared for what may happen. And I assume you are talking about the sabre-rattling coming from Iran, aren't you?

Sabre-rattling from Iran - nah. It might be a cultural thing in the region to talk tough. I think the US took Saddam too seriously - and perhaps deliberateloy backed him into a corner where his only remaining tool was bombast but that it what the US wanted to help bootstrap going to war.

As for accusing GWB for of being unprepared, not at all. The criticism would be to quit trying to screw with Iran.
 
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 32):
The criticism would be to quit trying to screw with Iran.

How do you define 'screw with Iran'. Seems to me, that while GWB probably wouldn't be sending love notes, if there wasn't a credible concern of Iran's intentions, or their demonstrated willingness to support extremists, the US would be more than happy to let the relationship consist of name calling. As it is, even though GWB has said 'all options,etc.', to date we have let the Europeans and the UN take the lead. So how are we the one doing the screwing?
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 17):
I have been doing some reading on the Iranian revolution, and was surprised at what actually occurred. But no, there were not many anti-Western types in Iran at the time.



on reflection that doesn't really surprise me , even older people we met still seemed a lot more pro-Western than I expected - I guess I was just basing it on what I remember of TV news footage at the time ( and yes , I should know better than to believe selective footage showing mobs of protestors , poor judgement on my part ) ... anyway , here's hoping that the Iranians get to sort out their own country in their own way - personally I think that GWB should go and do a two week tour in Iran and actually talk to people - he would come away a lot more optimistic - perhaps I should send him the link
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 25):
Nice to try and apologize for those scumbags Iran and Al Qaeda, but no go, Richard.

Get out of my face Falcon, thats not what I was doing - but you do like to make this personal dont you.

In war it doesnt much matter what weapons you are faced with, if they hate you enough they are going to be throwing rocks when they cant get their hands on anything else.

Ok, how about the American weapons the British military faced in Ireland...?
 
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RE: US Preparing For War With Iran?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
I can only hope that it comes back to bite them in the ass the way it has us.

At last something I can really believe, although why you are worried about the Iranian's donkey getting bitten is beyond me.

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