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WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:30 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/09/15/AR2006091501012.html

"The World Health Organization reversed a 30-year-old policy yesterday and declared its support for indoor use of the pesticide DDT to control mosquitoes in regions where malaria is a major health problem."
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:52 am

WHO cares!

WHAT kept them from protecting Africans from needless death?

WHEN will they change their policies towards Africa?

WHERE are their brains?

WHY did it take them 30 years to figure this out?
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 1):

and finally, WHAT is your opinion besides "The WHO sucks ass big time!!!"
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):

and finally, WHAT is your opinion besides "The WHO sucks ass big time!!!"

Hmm...first time I heard someone say that the WHO sucks ass big time. The question is why did it take 30 years to recommend a reversal of this policy, and how many deaths did this policy create.

Still awaiting your opinion.
 
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
The question is why did it take 30 years to recommend a reversal of this policy, and how many deaths did this policy create.

I would imagine it had to do primarily with the pop-science from "Silent Spring" onward that dictated that DDT in all its incarnations and uses is evil and kills babies.
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
Still awaiting your opinion.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
that dictated that DDT in all its incarnations and uses is evil and kills babies.

Well, it does stay in the food chain for God knows how long, so I wouldn't be too keen to recommend its use either. Of course, the dose makes the poison, but in the case of DDT, the negative long-term effects have been recorded by a little bit more than "pop-science". Hence I guess the WHO chose the lesser of two evils in this case... but I'm a little too  drunk  to discuss this right now.  Wink
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):

Well, it does stay in the food chain for God knows how long

I havent read up on the whole issue, so it will be an interesting discussion to have.
 
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:39 am

WHO has a FAQ that answers some WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, and WHY questions.

Don't ask "WHO has?" I just told you.  

http://www.who.int/malaria/docs/FAQo...=%22%20site%3Awww.who.int%20ddt%22

Also an interesting press release.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr50/en/index.html

U.S. Senator Tom Coburn said:
"“Finally, with WHO’s unambiguous leadership on the issue, we can put to rest the junk science and myths that have provided aid and comfort to the real enemy – mosquitoes – which threaten the lives of more than 300 million children each year.”

But if they were junk science and myths, and we all know that, WHY did it take 30 years?

I remember reading about this issue in the past, about hundreds of thousands dying even though DDT could save them. It's about time something was done about it.

[Edited 2006-10-06 00:47:45]
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):
Well, it does stay in the food chain for God knows how long

The FAQ answers that. It bio-accumulates when used indiscriminately in general agriculture. It was never really a danger used in small amounts to save human lives. Unless you think humans are food.  Smile

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):
more than "pop-science".

Notice the quote from Tom Coburn calling them junk science and myths. And the weird thing is that WHO seems to be agreeing that they were junk science and myths. It just took 30 years to issue the press release.

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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:55 am

I have additional information. (Forgive me three posts in a row.  Smile )

The African countries are being threatened with bans on agricultural exports if they use DDT. It makes no sense because the DDT isn't for use on crops, but nonetheless they are being threatened.

Kenya says "The ban on DDT is still on."
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610050903.html

From Uganda: "BRITISH American Tobacco (BAT) Plc has strongly opposed the use of the highly effective public health insecticide, DDT as a means of malaria control in Uganda."
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610040700.html

Rwanda says yes, but it is in "defiance of an earlier warning by the Rwanda Environment Management Authority (REMA) director Dr Rose Mukankomeje, who said that the chemical's use will seriously hamper the growth of trade and investment."
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610050271.html

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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
I would imagine it had to do primarily with the pop-science from "Silent Spring" onward that dictated that DDT in all its incarnations and uses is evil and kills babies.

Rachel Carson is directly responsible for more deaths than any single genocidal dictator in history.
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
Still awaiting your opinion.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
that dictated that DDT in all its incarnations and uses is evil and kills babies.

Well, it does stay in the food chain for God knows how long, so I wouldn't be too keen to recommend its use either. Of course, the dose makes the poison, but in the case of DDT, the negative long-term effects have been recorded by a little bit more than "pop-science". Hence I guess the WHO chose the lesser of two evils in this case... but I'm a little too to discuss this right now.

Back until the 1970s, DDT was used indiscriminately by every jerk and his dog to fight any bug that came around. The difference now is that the WHO recommends the use of DDT INDOORS and used by trained professionals.
It was e.g. used in agriculture for crop dusting.

An equivalent would by the indiscriminate use of antibiotics I've seen in third world countries for each and every head cold, instead of reserving these medications for serious infections.

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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
Back until the 1970s, DDT was used indiscriminately by every jerk and his dog to fight any bug that came around. The difference now is that the WHO recommends the use of DDT INDOORS and used by trained professionals.

THANK YOU! That answer makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to me. I really appreciate it.
 
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
Back until the 1970s, DDT was used indiscriminately by every jerk and his dog to fight any bug that came around.

The problem is that the pendulum swang completely the other way, ignoring the actual proven benefits of DDT particularly in the third world. But that's life.
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RE: WHO Urges Use Of DDT: Changes 30-Year Policy

Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:47 am

As usual, the environmental reactionaries and junk science won the day thirty years ago, as it does today... (cough, cough... global warming). DDT could've saved millions of Africans' lives by combatting mosquito-borne illnesses. What a bunch of quacks.
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