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N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:53 am

A South Korean government official says North Korea appears to have conducted a nuclear test, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reports


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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:59 am

Wow ... this should be interesting ....


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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:05 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...8/korea.nuclear.test.ap/index.html

Well, now any fake pretense of their program being for peacefull purposes is gone if this is true.

But I do wonder what everybody else has to say, There should be seismic evidence of the test.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:11 pm

Between N Korea and Iran, things are going to get pretty busy.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:11 pm

Ohhh boy......  Sad

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):

But I do wonder what everybody else has to say, There should be seismic evidence of the test.

US Geological Survey has not detected seismic activity.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

If this is true, then things are going to get busy pretty quick.

The news networks are reporting it, but no one's offering any proof other than N. Korea stated that they did it.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:17 pm

Nuclear weapons, apparently, brings happiness to North Korea?  confused 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 5):
US Geological Survey has not detected seismic activity.

Which brings up the possibilty that either

1. Their design tanked.
2. They are lying about the test.

Seismic monitoring is how the world new the Indians and Pakistani's had gone off the deep end a few years back and tested, and it is also why the Indians tested three weapons at once, to disguise the actual yeild.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Seismic monitoring is how the world new the Indians and Pakistani's had gone off the deep end a few years back and tested

This is why you don't see our intelligence guys going apeshit right now. Unless there's some remote detection station that hasn't reported in yet, which I highly doubt, I'm almost positive that this is a bluff or either a smaller version of the truth.

If they actually tested a nuclear device of the size they claimed they were going to test, it would have set off detectors all over eastern Asia.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:30 pm

This appears to be real...

"South Korea's presidential Blue House said a tremor had been detected in North Korea on Monday.

It said South Korea's Institute of Geoscience and Mineral Resources had detected a tremor of a magnitude 3.58 to 3.7 at 0135 GMT."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...odLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:31 pm

lets wait before we jump to conclusions..

they'll have to do some seismic testing, as well as radiation sniffing to find out if anything really happened..

Likely more rhetoric and bullcrap coming from a corrupt gov't.

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:40 pm

Apparently true, according to CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...8/korea.nuclear.test.ap/index.html

This changes the equation. Now, you take them aside, and you tell them: you tested one, we know you have others. If you use them, or even threaten to use them on Russia, China, Japan, the ROK, Taiwan, us-ANYONE, you will be annihilated.

No equivocation at all.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:42 pm

wow.... This is starting to freak me out.

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
It said South Korea's Institute of Geoscience and Mineral Resources had detected a tremor of a magnitude 3.58 to 3.7 at 0135 GMT."

I have to agree, from what I understand Nuclear Blasts cause pretty specific waveforms in the soil.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:43 pm

China got a 20 minute warning.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:46 pm

If only the U.S. had more soldiers than we'd be rid of this North Korea trouble now (sentence may be too simplistic).

Anyway, who knows. The Korean Central News Agency or whatever is a very bland organisation and probably lies all the time.

Wouldn't you have noticed some seismic activity?
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:53 pm

North Korea has a history of responding to pressure with more pressure.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:54 pm


 rotfl  Sorry, I had to.  Wink


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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:59 pm

The US is confirming this test. N. Korea did not get what it have wanted (less than 400kilotons), though.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 16):
If only the U.S. had more soldiers than we'd be rid of this North Korea trouble now (sentence may be too simplistic).

We have enough troops to fight a war with them. How? Because we would be fighting along side S. Korea and Japan (fighting Korea DOES fall under their realm of self-defense), and most likely other European nations. Just between Japan, the south, and ourselves we will be able to beat N. Korea.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 19):
The US is confirming this test. N. Korea did not get what it have wanted (less than 400kilotons), though.

400kt is pretty high for a first generation nuke. Few pure fission bombs have ever yielded that high (U.S. Mark-18 design was 500kt) but most bombs in that range are thermonuclear.

It is possible what happened is they tired to fire off a thermonuclear device and only the primary worked while the second stage fizzled.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 19):
The US is confirming this test. N. Korea did not get what it have wanted (less than 400kilotons), though

That is a massive yield, especially for such a "new" nuclear power. This makes me think they had help from somewhere else.

Most of the USA's weapons are in this power range btw.
 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting B757300 (Reply 21):
It is possible what happened is they tired to fire off a thermonuclear device and only the primary worked while the second stage fizzled.

If they had the technology to create such a yield I doubt they would have failed in the second or third stage of the bomb.

Maybe because they have limited amounts of material at the moment explains it? Anyway, 400 kilotons would amount to 25 or so Hiroshimas.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 21):
Few pure fission bombs have ever yielded that high (U.S. Mark-18 design was 500kt) but most bombs in that range are thermonuclear.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we accomplish a few mega-ton explosions with the pure urinaium "gun" type tests? Or maybe that was with plutonium gun types?

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:17 pm

I'm guessing that the "400kt goal" is nothing but B.S.

But as a side note, the U.S. had tests were the second stage failed and only the primary went BOOM.

Edit: These were U.S. thermonuclear tests that fizzled.

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:30 pm

Link to USGS site showing 4.2 in North Korea
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:30 pm

China proliferated to Pakistan, and Pakistan in turn proliferated to North Korean, Iran and Libya. Pakistan exchanged nuclear tech for missiles long time back!! Google for that info. And the US administration looked the other way when China proliferated to Pakistan as Pakistan's help was required for Afghanistan war in the 80s.

Anyway, the US attacked Iraq only after making sure that it had no nuclear weapons  Smile So, there is no fear of US attacking North korea!!
 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:31 pm

The test is reported to have occurred at 01:36 GMT. Nothing shows on the Shemya, Alaska seismogram.

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/waveforms/crest/nc.SMY_BHZ_AT_--_00.2222121200.gif

Here's where Shemya is located.



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Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:32 pm

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:34 pm

So Much For Diplomacy...Some Administration Dont know how to conduct it nor care to even try.....Someone 4 years ago called Kim the part of the axis of evil and prodded him until he did this tonight....Guess they are betting this will secure a REPUG victory in a few weeks....so sad when FEAR and Terror are all you have to run on...

Where is Bill Richardson...he knew how to talk with the N. Koreans...Condi and company are pathetic failures on the broad scale.........
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:39 pm

I was waiting for someone to come in here and start the Bush bashing. Figures you'd pop for the first time in ages to do this.

In reality you can blame Bill Clinton, Bill Richardson, and Madeline Albright for North Korea obtaining nuclear weapons. All those "deals" they make with NK were broken before the ink was dry. Diplomacy does not work with nutcases like little Kim.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:43 pm

On a side note:

Can you explain exactly what "critical mass" means? I've been reading up on it for the past few weeks but I can't wrap my head around it.

I know its the minimum amount of fissile material required for a sustained chain reaction and all but how does that transfer into an actual nuclear detonation. There have been a few times where accidental critical mass has been reached in a lab, but no detonation resulted. The only thing that happened was a few died because of the initial pulse of radiation before they "knocked the two pieces apart." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin

Is the speed and intensity of the reaction the result of how fast the critical mass is brought together? It seems like, in the above source, they just touched for a few seconds. If they were slammed together with force would an actual exposion occur?

Also, with critical mass being a constant would the yield increase with the additional amount of material brought together to form a supercritical mass?

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:44 pm

I wonder if it was just an earthquake.

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 32):
I wonder if it was just an earthquake.

Mark

Nope, its for real. The US has confirmed. The USAF most likely had a Constant Pheonix airborne at the time and registered it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WC-135
 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 32):
I wonder if it was just an earthquake.

Mark

No, nuclear detonations create a unique seismic signal totally different from an earthquake.

The United States, under the Vela Uniform program, attempted to determine if it was possible to hide a nuclear test. Vela Uniform includes the only two U.S. nuclear test to have occurred east of the Mississippi River.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting B757300 (Reply 30):
I was waiting for someone to come in here and start the Bush bashing

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A little history:

1992: In May, for the first time, North Korea allows a team from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), then headed by Hans Blix, to visit the facility at Yongbyon. Blix and the U.S. suspect that North Korea is secretly using its five-megawatt reactor and reprocessing facility at Yongbyon to turn spent fuel into weapons-grade plutonium. Before leaving, Blix arranges for fully equipped inspection teams to follow.
The inspections do not go well. Over the next several months, the North Koreans repeatedly block inspectors from visiting two of Yongbyon's suspected nuclear waste sites and IAEA inspectors find evidence that the country is not revealing the full extent of its plutonium production.
1993: In March, North Korea threatens to withdraw from the NPT. Facing heavy domestic pressure from Republicans who oppose negotiations with North Korea, President Bill Clinton appoints Robert Gallucci to start a new round of negotiations. After 89 days, North Korea announces it has suspended its withdrawal. (The NPT requires a 90-day notice before a country can withdraw.)
In December, IAEA Director-General Blix announces that the agency can no longer provide "any meaningful assurances" that North Korea is not producing nuclear weapons.
12 October, 1994: the United States and North Korea signed the "Agreed Framework": North Korea agreed to freeze its plutonium production program in exchange for fuel oil, economic cooperation, and the construction of two modern light-water nuclear power plants. Eventually, North Korea's existing nuclear facilities were to be dismantled, and the spent reactor fuel taken out of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_K...pons_of_mass_destruction#1989-2001
 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 20):
We have enough troops to fight a war with them. How? Because we would be fighting along side S. Korea and Japan (fighting Korea DOES fall under their realm of self-defense), and most likely other European nations. Just between Japan, the south, and ourselves we will be able to beat N. Korea.

You've obviously never been to South Korea.  no 

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:03 pm

Some more seismographic data to ponder. Data from station YSS (Yuzhno Sakhalinsk, Russia)

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/YSS_24hr.gif
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 20):
Just between Japan, the south, and ourselves we will be able to beat N. Korea.

Really? There are barely enough to cover Afghanistan and Iraq. To fight a war with the DPRK...a very well trained and brainwashed army, the US would have to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. And unlike Iraq, the North Koreans are brainwashed into thinking that the US and Japan are plotting invasion all the time. They are brainwashed into to thinking that Americans and Japanese WILL rape thier women and kill the children. Do you remember how the Vietnamese had networks of tunnels? North Korea has even more. They have bases built into mountains and can move their troops in guerilla style.

Though many of the poor and oppressed would help they will do it out of fear because they have no clue of reality outside of their own country.

This is a serious problem and the last thing that needs to happen is flame it with war mongering. The US never fought the Soviet, but we kept the lines of direct communication open.

At least people in the Soviet people saw power struggles and knew that their leaders could change. North Koreans can only have this if Kim Jong Il dies and his son takes over. It will never be someone else...always family.

Kim Jong Il's successor is his 2nd born son who is western educated and known to be a little more reserved yet a strategist. He has not been seen much unlike Kim Jong Il who was seen much before taking the reins in 1997.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:07 pm

This does put a whole new perspective on things.

Anyone thinking Kim isn't a complete crackpot, and thinking he wouldn't do this musta been smoking heavy drugs . . . this was a guaranteed test, sure to happen. You betcha the US was watching.

Question is: Now what? What will China do (nothing)? What will South Korea do (nothing)? What will Japan do (nothing)? What will Russia do (nothing)? They will leave it up to the US - as always - to take the lead on reaction to this. Then decide whether to join us or condemn us. None of the countries surrounding North Korea will have to gut to make the first move - Kim knows it.

As for a war with North Korea? Not happening. Not unless someone has a half dozen Divisions of US Infantry in their hip pocket. South Korean Army - tough bastards, but not enough of them, and no leadership. Japanese Defense Forces? Operative word: Defense. They won't move unless the Japanese territory is directly attacked. Even if there is fallout from the test on Japanese soil, nothing will happen. China? Nope. They could mow over North Korea in short order, but they don't care and have no need. Russia? Nope, they could care less as well. They have their own problems, North Korea isn't one of them.

The countries that face the largest threat from this revelation: The United States, Canada, Mexico. They are directly in the path of any fallout from any test (failed or otherwise). They are in the direct path of Kim's missiles.

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:15 pm

BBC Reporting the N Koreans are claiming it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6032525.stm

This was out of the blue, wonder how that changes what's to happen.

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 26):
China proliferated to Pakistan,

 rotfl 
Oh so that's the latest version of the truth?? I always through AQ Khan stole it from the Dutch.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:19 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html

Of course it is Foxnews so it probably isn't True the US confirmed.

Also right now they are looking at about a 4KT or smaller explosing, depending on who's sismic data you use.....If I remember correctly Hirosima and Nagasaki where closer to 20-40 KT range.

I think there is a real possiblity that this test was a flop.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 40):
Oh so that's the latest version of the truth?? I always through AQ Khan stole it from the Dutch.

You really need to know more about your own country. I am getting tired of having to educate you everytime. Thats the reason I mentioned Google in my post. What is new to you is old news for regular pakistan watchers  Smile

Pakistan Nuclear Weapons

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In the past, China played a major role in the development of Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, especially when increasingly stringent export controls in western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire materials and technology elsewhere. According to a 2001 Department of Defense report, China has supplied Pakistan with nuclear materials and expertise and has provided critical assistance in the construction of Pakistan's nuclear facilities.

In the 1990s, China designed and supplied the heavy water Khusab reactor, which plays a key role in Pakistan's production of plutonium. A subsidiary of the China National Nuclear Corporation also contributed to Pakistan's efforts to expand its uranium enrichment capabilities by providing 5,000 custom made ring magnets, which are a key component of the bearings that facilitate the high-speed rotation of centrifuges.

According to Anthony Cordesman of CSIS, China is also reported to have provided Pakistan with the design of one of its warheads, which is relatively sophisticated in design and lighter than U.S. and Soviet designed first generation warheads.
...

Xerox Khan stole from Dutch, no doubt about it, but Pakistan was also helped along by China.
 
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 41):
If I remember correctly Hirosima and Nagasaki where closer to 20-40 KT range.

Hiroshima was around 12.5 kilotons.

Nagasaki was roughly 21 kilotons similar to Trinity.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Apparently true, according to CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...8/korea.nuclear.test.ap/index.html

This changes the equation. Now, you take them aside, and you tell them: you tested one, we know you have others. If you use them, or even threaten to use them on Russia, China, Japan, the ROK, Taiwan, us-ANYONE, you will be annihilated.

No equivocation at all.

The problem is the normal population of North Korea, who are deprived of all outside information (even radios and TV sets in North Korea are factory set to be only able to receive government channels, media control is much stricter than it ever was in Russia, East Germany and China) and have to believe what
the government tells them.
A few months ago I watched a documentary by a Swiss TV team who entered NK as tourists on a guided tour. At one stage they got away from their chaperones and met some NK teenagers and young people who were genuinely interested to learn about the outside world. All these people, who have no power at all in the country would perish in a nuclear war.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 20):
Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 16):
If only the U.S. had more soldiers than we'd be rid of this North Korea trouble now (sentence may be too simplistic).

We have enough troops to fight a war with them. How? Because we would be fighting along side S. Korea and Japan (fighting Korea DOES fall under their realm of self-defense), and most likely other European nations. Just between Japan, the south, and ourselves we will be able to beat N. Korea.

Also China, no matter how suspicious they might be about the renegade government in NK, they would not be willing to have US troops right at their border.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 38):
Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 20):
Just between Japan, the south, and ourselves we will be able to beat N. Korea.

Really? There are barely enough to cover Afghanistan and Iraq. To fight a war with the DPRK...a very well trained and brainwashed army, the US would have to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. And unlike Iraq, the North Koreans are brainwashed into thinking that the US and Japan are plotting invasion all the time. They are brainwashed into to thinking that Americans and Japanese WILL rape thier women and kill the children. Do you remember how the Vietnamese had networks of tunnels? North Korea has even more. They have bases built into mountains and can move their troops in guerilla style.

Though many of the poor and oppressed would help they will do it out of fear because they have no clue of reality outside of their own country.

This is a serious problem and the last thing that needs to happen is flame it with war mongering. The US never fought the Soviet, but we kept the lines of direct communication open.

At least people in the Soviet people saw power struggles and knew that their leaders could change. North Koreans can only have this if Kim Jong Il dies and his son takes over. It will never be someone else...always family.

Kim Jong Il's successor is his 2nd born son who is western educated and known to be a little more reserved yet a strategist. He has not been seen much unlike Kim Jong Il who was seen much before taking the reins in 1997.
(1st sonfell out of favor after getting caught trying to enter Japan with a fake passport).

See above.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
Anyone thinking Kim isn't a complete crackpot

I'm quite sure that Kim is a certificable nutcase, but I'm not sure how much power he actually has. It could well be that the true power lies with the concrete head Stalinist generals of the NK army and he is just a front man.
AFAIK, while the top NK military respected Kim senior, they rather looked down on the son as a weirdo and whimp, but needed him for political reasons

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 41):
I think there is a real possiblity that this test was a flop.

Somehow something doesn't quite add up. There are parts missing in this atomic puzzle. For one thing, there should have been a bigger seismic bang... Unless it was a really small device like L-188 mentioned.

I think we're used to seeing the results of larger bombs that produce subsidence craters:



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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
What will China do (nothing)? What will South Korea do (nothing)? What will Japan do (nothing)?

Unless the regime in NK changes quickly or Lil Kim suddenly decides to follow Gaddafi's example and massively pull back from earlier idiocy, the Japanese will shortly alter their constitution to allow true armed forces vs SDF and very possibly build the bomb themselves. They have the technology and materials required.

The best chance at ending this is for the Chinese to be so opposed to the idea of Japan having nukes that they finally get on board with meaninful sanctions against NK. They don't want a flood of NK refugees that would result from a regime change but I think they'll find this possiblity much preferable vs. nuclear Japan.

btw, I don't think a nuclear Japan would be any danger to China but given their experiences during and before WWII their concerns are understandable.

Latest news is estimated .55 kiloton yield. This would not be very impressive if true; not quite as pathetic as their last big missile test but close. I'll be interested to see if this number holds up.
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 37):

Thanks for that, very interesting.

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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 13):
wow.... This is starting to freak me out.

Don't let it. The Chinese will deal with North Korea in very short order. The entire reason the rest of the world has been more or less ignoring the North Koreans (which pisses off lil Kim) is because China has pretty much said (quietly mind you) they will deal with them.

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China also demanded Pyongyang stop any action that would worsen the situation, Reuters news service reports.

"The DPRK has ignored the widespread opposition of the international community and conducted a nuclear test brazenly on October 9," China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on its Web site.

"The Chinese government is firmly opposed to this," the statement said.

China won't stand for that s**t in their backyard. But they'll deal with it in a very methodical and effective 'typical Chinese' fashion. (Note this isn't a sterotyping of the Chinese, but more an admiration for their steady yet effective methods).
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RE: N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:51 pm

Kim Jong Il is a f**king idiot. Pursuing an insane nuclear program while his people starve? What kind of great leader is he? He's a crackpot pure and simple.

Unfortunately, he's a bit more dangerous of a crackpot now.
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