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A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:05 am

The line between life and death for an individual is thin. We are, each of us, only a heartbeat away from death. A single heartbeat, the next one, could be the last, and in minutes thereafter, all of existence with our family, our friends, and all that we know, will ultimately cease to be.

Anyone who thinks that the world is founded on law and protected by gates of iron against the hounds of hell need to have another thought coming, and as the world faces the prospects of madmen with nukes, none of us are safe from the flash of nuclear annihilation.

In A Canticle for Liebowitz, the author ends his story with a reference to both birth and death, and he recognized that for all the illusions of mankind, there was only the constancy of historical happenstance. What we build upon our dreams of future persistence is nothing more than precisely those illusions that mark the solace we place on the excuses we give ourselves to justify the tedious process of life.

Hunter S. Thompson, the gonzo journalist, ultimately killed himself because he wanted a death as banal as life itself. But there have been many who found that life was too absurd to be lived, at least if you looked at it hard enough. Socrates, in this respect, was flat wrong: The life that was examined was, instead, that was not worth living.

And so as the world-historical events of our times unfold, the luxury of dispassionate observers is to withdraw from the world and to throw their cares to the wind.

In the famous words of John Lennon, we might as well let it be. Let it be.

The fate of the world is greater than light or darkness. The fate of the world... is nothing at all.

[Edited 2006-10-10 18:10:20]
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:07 am

What's your point dude?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
What's your point dude?



Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The fate of the world is greater than light or darkness. The fate of the world... is nothing at all.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:12 am

Do you actually have anything to say?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
Do you actually have anything to say?

Do you have a reason to doubt it?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
Do you have a reason to doubt it?

Doubt what I say? Well not tonight although I do doubt sometimes. Why, do you doubt that I doubt or is that doubtful?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 5):
Doubt what I say? Well not tonight although I do doubt sometimes. Why, do you doubt that I doubt or is that doubtful?

I don't doubt that you doubt at all.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The fate of the world... is nothing at all.

Is this a suicide note?

Does this mean we don't have to read your crap threads anymore?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Does this mean we don't have to read your crap threads anymore?

If only this were the case.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:32 am

It seems to me that this thread may be too abtract or vague for this Forum. Fine. Then I'll explain myself.

It seems to me that we are entering an era where nihilism may be the best protection against insanity. We have, in the Middle East, an excess of belief, where religion has been hijacked for the purposes of destruction.

We have, in the Far East, a cynical exploration of nuclear technology to extract concessions from the West. In some respects, they know us better than we know ourselves.

And we have, in the West itself, a lack of confidence in its own existence, as if everyone else's interests are more important than its own. This is, I think, the straw that breaks the camel's back. The West unconciously desires its own undoing, by failing to believe in the merits of its own existence.

The answer to this confusing state of affairs is to take the long view, which is that -- particularly if science is correct, and religion is the opposite -- the universe does not give two sh*ts about the world or its future.

Only we do.

I'm afraid that there isn't a "moral of the tale" at the end of the story of Earth, nor a grand or glorious finale in which the good people of the world rise up to heaven, whether literally or not. Even Walter Miller might have been wrong about this. Nor will the righteous be rewarded, nor the evildoer punished. Nor will villains meet their end at the ends of a mythical "god". In the book of nihilism, no one is damned, but by the same token, no one should give a damn. The universe is a tale told by an idiot, all sound and fury, signifying nothing. But unlike in the case of a Shakespearean play, it is a tale told by someone who might as well not exist.

So if you think that what happens in your world is important -- your personal world, or the literal world we see on CNN or the BBC -- think again. It isn't. It really doesn't matter.

In years hence, it could very well be that there will no one who gives a damn. And it is a virtual certainty that in a hundred years, you, yourself, and I, and everyone reading this message, won't exist at all.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Is this a suicide note?

Wouldn't that be something?

 Wink

But no, Ted. There's too much intellectualizing to be done.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9):
In years hence, it could very well be that there will no one who gives a damn. And it is a certainty that in a hundred years, you, yourself, and I, and everyone reading this message, won't exist at all.

Firstly, I don't give a damn now and secondly; does my fast food, alcohol indulgent, social smoker lifestyle mean I won't live till 120? No shit!
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 11):
Firstly, I don't give a damn now and secondly; does my fast food, alcohol indulgent, social smoker lifestyle mean I won't live till 120? No shit!

Yeah, no sh*t. None at all.

I think it's positively hilarious that we delude ourselves that we have a stake in the future, when it's clear that, statistically, none of us here will live beyond the next complete orbit of the junior planet of Pluto.

And at some point, in light of this, I'll stop believing that the West deserves to survive as a civilization, because, goddammit, if the West doesn't believe in itself, there's not even the barest wisp of an excuse for believing it important to call for its defense.

Why don't we all take a collective suicide pill and end it all right now? It might save our enemies the trouble, and it might save on greenhouse emissions, besides.

Without belief, without conviction, there isn't a motherf*cking thing that matters. And that's pretty much the truth, any way one puts it -- in one's pipe, in a smoke, or otherwise.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Why don't we all take a collective suicide pill and end it all right now?

Because I want a damned beer ok?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13):
Because I want a damned beer ok?

LOL. That's as good a reason as any, mate!  Smile
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:02 am

Erratum:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Anyone who thinks that the world is founded on law and protected by gates of iron against the hounds of hell needs to have another thought coming, and as the world faces the prospects of madmen with nukes, none of us are safe from the flash of nuclear annihilation.


Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Socrates, in this respect, was flat wrong: The life that was examined was, instead, that which was not worth living.

As corrected.

Because. Spelling. Matters. And don't ask me why. I don't like the answer.

[Edited 2006-10-10 19:03:31]
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Yeah, no sh*t. None at all.

No, there most certainly was one. A real grunter. I sh*t, therefore I am.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
No, there most certainly was one. A real grunter. I sh*t, therefore I am.

A follower of "Est", I see.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
intellectualizing

Is THAT what you call it... yeah..

Try this:
http://www.philosophy.com/
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
Is THAT what you call it... yeah..

Reading philosophy for the sake of reading it sucks. If you don't believe me, try reading Schopenhauer. And resist the temptation to slit your wrists.

The only honest way to approach philosophy is to understand it from your own experience. And even that, at times, is questionable.

The best and most appropriate philosophy, at times, is found in this coarse and elegant phrase: "Life sucks, and then you die."

Five words, but what words they are.

 

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 19):
The only honest way to approach philosophy is to understand it from your own experience. And even that, at times, is questionable.

See, but half the time I suspect you're simply ripping material off other people, and spewing it out like it's your own original thoughts.

I don't get you, AF. I mean, no matter how hard you try and convince us otherwise, you can't be that intelligent. Christ, you've frequently cited GlobalSecurity.org as a reference, do I need further proof?  Wink

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 19):
Life sucks, and then you die."

Five words, but what words they are.

I'm sorry, but this has to be ammended to be more correct.

"Life sucks, then you fill out paperwork on the suck. Die on your own time mister."
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 20):
See, but half the time I suspect you're simply ripping material off other people, and spewing it out like it's your own original thoughts.

Yeah, I know you have that suspicion. Give me proof of any such rip-off and I'll give you $50.00 by PayPay, UH. No questions asked. But it has to be proof, and no fair telling me that I quoted stuff that I actually said I quoted, with or without permission.

The deal is, as I've said before, that I never pass off stuff written by other people as my own. Almost invariably, I give sources, etc., etc. Pretending that I wrote stuff when I didn't is intellectual dishonesty of the worst kind, and whatever the kind of bastard I am, I ain't that kind.

And I've told you -- sometimes I write as a journalist, sometimes as a law-type guy, sometimes as a pseudo-philosopher, sometimes as a quasi-scientist, and sometimes as a "real guy" who thinks of the world as a consummately f*cked-up place, because that's the way it really is, Walter Cronkite. Or whatever the hell. It depends on what side of the bed I fell off earlier that morning.

If I get any sleep at all.

And this isn't saying that I'm any more intelligent than you or anyone else here. It's just that I happen to be more interested in writing about what I think. So that oughta take care of your "intelligence" theory.

For what it's worth.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:04 am

And, Jesus H. Christ, if you can find a Google reference to the title of this thread, Google must have updated itself in the last 30 seconds.

Which wouldn't surprise me, provided the reference is to this thread.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 22):
The deal is, as I've said before, that I never pass off stuff written by other people as my own. Almost invariably, I give sources, etc., etc. Pretending that I wrote stuff when I didn't is intellectual dishonesty of the worst kind, and whatever the kind of bastard I am, I ain't that kind.

I was only yanking your chain AF.  silly  I don't really think your writing is fraudulent.

Trust me... I truly believe you are legitimately that dull.  Wink

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 24):
Trust me... I truly believe you are legitimately that dull.  Wink

It wouldn't be the first time that you're right, UH.  Wink
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:20 am

Are you really so starved for attention that you feel the need to continually post this kind of shit and *try* to sound deep on an airliners forum?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 15):
Erratum:

For lack of a better term: W-T-F!
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 26):
Are you really so starved for attention that you feel the need to continually post this kind of shit and *try* to sound deep on an airliners forum?

In a word, "no". And neither do I post a number of other kinds of messages, and least of all, those that imply that a fellow member doesn't have a life because he posts messages on the same board on which everyone else posts.

Last time I looked, none of us posted here because we were on the "A" list at Spago's.

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
none of us here will live beyond the next complete orbit of the junior planet of Pluto

AerospaceFan, I just love your posts for the comedy value.
 bigthumbsup 

Now what I want to know is are all the other inmates allowed internet access from their cell too? Big grin
 
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting 9V (Reply 28):
Now what I want to know is are all the other inmates allowed internet access from their cell too? 

Yeah, but I managed to bash all their heads in with my giant intellect and now I have exclusive access. They deserved it. John Ashcroft said so.

Pretty soon I'll figure out the straps on this jacket, and then we shall see.

 

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 29):
Pretty soon I'll figure out the straps on this jacket

No please don't..you just keep posting with the pen in your mouth pressing the keys one at a time.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting 9V (Reply 30):
No please don't..you just keep posting with the pen in your mouth pressing the keys one at a time.

Pen? Who needs a pen?

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 19):
"Life sucks, and then you die."

Five words, but what words they are.

Such a powerful five words, apparently, that they threw in a sixth for free.  Smile

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Why don't we all take a collective suicide pill and end it all right now?

Because despite all the stuff that we've done to screw it up, the world is still a pretty sweet place. And it would be a damn shame to miss out on it. That's why.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:46 am

You can't change fate, you can't change pre-destiny, but they're only valid when they occur, as each second goes by, you have the choice, right, obligation or whatever else, to better one's fate and destiny... Otherwise, hope shouldn't exist.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 32):
Such a powerful five words, apparently, that they threw in a sixth for free.

Call it the five-word discount.  Wink

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 33):
You can't change fate, you can't change pre-destiny, but they're only valid when they occur, as each second goes by, you have the choice, right, obligation or whatever else, to better one's fate and destiny... Otherwise, hope shouldn't exist.

True, but sometimes I think that it's all part of the same fabric of illusion. It's what they teach us -- for example, in much the same way that they say that we should sing the praises of the great men who lived before us, but how much are these praises worth in the long run?

Of course, they say that goodness is its own reward.

Sometimes it's best not to think too much about the nature of existence, I've found, because what one sees is not necessarily what one wants to find.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 34):
Sometimes it's best not to think too much about the nature of existence, I've found, because what one sees is not necessarily what one wants to find.

So what have you seen and what would you like to find?  Wink
 
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:18 am

Intelligence: taking 20+ paragraphs to say what can be summed up in just 5 words.

Or so some people seem to think....
 
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:18 am

AF, I think what you're trying to express is actually coming from a genuine crisis of conscience, just externalized and (slightly) disguised.

What remains once you've officially abandoned and denounced the fundamental principles which you've once believed in (or had outwardly claimed to believe in)?

Not much.

It's not a new idea to assign the blame for it to others in proxy. But I don't buy it.

"The west" isn't really in a crisis - a part of the USA are, after explicitly discarding their own foundation, and they're still in some kind of free fall as a result.

Small wonder you're sort of dizzy at this point...!  mischievous 


Freedom, human rights, democracy with the actual possibility of open discussion and criticism have never stopped being fantastic ideas - you just stopped believing in them!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with propagating these ideas in the world - quite to the contrary; But my impression is that you and your like-minded compatriots need a strong dose of the same medicine even more urgently than some of the people in the middle east do.

I'm sure we don't need to send any missionaries over to you in this particular matter - apart from it being extremely weird, ironical and inappropriate, I have a much stronger belief in the self-healing powers of your country than you yourself do.

You're much less vulnerable and much stronger than you appear to believe - you just need to re-discover that fact again...!  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting 9V (Reply 35):
So what have you seen and what would you like to find?  

I think that the process of life is a parallel of what Weber called the disenchantment of the world.

There isn't any kind of magic that one sees in the world, today or at any other time, and it's really only the reality of reality, so to speak, that one faces. Good doesn't always win, and in fact, it often loses. Badly.

One of the things that sticks in my mind is that the depths of despair are often greater than the heights of euphoria. I remember working in an office where individuals would be called in for conferences about the last will and testament of their deceased loved ones. I remember one day hearing the grief and horror of a survivor, who, in fighting against what I think was the desires of the executors of an estate, wailed in bereavement and disbelief that the executors would assent in a course of action that I think that that survivor simply could not comprehend. It wasn't difficult to hear; her bootless cries could be heard from one end of the office to the other. To no avail.

I've seen and heard a lot of things in my years, but her lamentations from sheer anguish and disbelief that seemed to go on for hours are still with me, trapped in some recess of my mind, and to this day I wonder what that survivor now thinks of what the executors did now that the decedent has long passed from the Earth.

The dead remained silent, no matter how sad the cries, and they remain dead, and eventually, so also dies also their memory.

Because once you're gone, you're gone, and nothing else really matters. Not what you've done, not what you've said, and certainly not what you hope will happen for the good of mankind.

All, they say, is vanity.

Existence is a melody sung in the wind, really, and once it's done and you've left, only the wind remembers what you sang.

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 38):

You still haven't answered the question.

Quoting 9V (Reply 35):
So what have you seen and what would you like to find?
 
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting 9V (Reply 39):
You still haven't answered the question.

It's the best I can do for the moment. You got your money's worth, I should say.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 40):
You got your money's worth



Actually Aerospace Fan, I think you got your money's worth, ... with whatever it is you're smoking today  Wink
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:32 am

I always give these kinds of responses my Standard Answer: "Hey, baby, I'm high all right -- on life!"

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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
AF, I think what you're trying to express is actually coming from a genuine crisis of conscience, just externalized and (slightly) disguised.

Kind of like my divorce thread eh?
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 43):
Kind of like my divorce thread eh?

Ted, you said not to read those threads, and I've actually complied.

 silly 

Seriously, I haven't read them. But they must be pretty interesting.  Smile
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 43):
Kind of like my divorce thread eh?

I'm not sure I'm following you...?  eyebrow 
 
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 44):
But they must be pretty interesting.

in a watching the needle go into your eye in super duper slow motion kind of way... yes.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 45):
I'm not sure I'm following you...?

That's ok.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:29 am

1. Goldie Hawn
2. Mexican food
3. Fear of death
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ilikeyyc
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The fate of the world is greater than light or darkness. The fate of the world... is nothing at all.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 38):
The dead remained silent, no matter how sad the cries, and they remain dead, and eventually, so also dies also their memory.

The whole point of life is to get the entire world to notice when you are gone, just like Steve Irwin.
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RE: A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness

Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 48):
The whole point of life is to get the entire world to notice when you are gone, just like Steve Irwin.

I disagree, and in that I must say different strokes for different folks.

There are only TWO people who I want to really 'notice' me when I'm gone; my son and my daughter.

Now while it might be nice to have a few nice posts in my honor here, I understand the reputation I have, and expect most of the responses to be along the lines of 'now we just have to wait for AeroSpaceFan to kick the bucket and we might be able to have some decent threads'.

Throw me in the oven, put my ashes in a few places that make me happy, and be done with me. That's just fine.
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