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Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:19 am

Have you seen this pic already? Some fans formed a human swastika against Italy in August.



UEFA have warned them they could be excluded from Euro 2008 if their fans continue to flout the game's anti-racism rules.

William Gaillard, the head of communications for European football's governing body, issued the warning to Croatian fans ahead of Wednesday's Euro 2008 qualifier against England, reminding them repeat offenders face serious punishment for any form of racial abuse.
 
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:25 am

Ouch...

When Europe is trying to unite... I fail to see the reason behind some people's actions...

NO TO RACISM... They should learn a lesson or two from Canada.

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Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:27 am

If they'd been drinking then that is quite a feat. A sick one but still.
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:29 am

Disgusting action, but if you look at the picture, you can see the intelligence level of the participants. Seems someone forgot to plan ahead, leaving the fourth arm truncated! Nothing like trying to be insulting and flubbing it because of your own stupidity. Big grin
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:54 am

Especially considering the fact that quite a few croats supported the german invaders during WWII with their own domestic fascists, this is extremely disgusting.  yuck 

They were used by the german forces to commit atrocities against some of the other balkan populations, among them the Serbs. It was one of the lingering reasons why the balkan war broke out with such bitterness and ferocity...

Those assholes deserve a hard slap on the back of their heads - maybe that would be able to shake loose the last remaining brain cells in there...!  crazy   gnasher 
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:56 am

Bunch of freakin aholes...I'd start to throw feces at them  Wink
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 5):
Bunch of freakin aholes...I'd start to throw feces at them

What good could that actually do?

They already stink, and they're already brown from head to toe...!  mischievous 
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
Disgusting action, but if you look at the picture, you can see the intelligence level of the participants.

Looks like the intelligence level in on par with the drunk football fans we have in the states. Disgusting no matter where you live.
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:00 am

That is beyond retarded.

I don't understand. Why is this such a problem in Europe?
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
Looks like the intelligence level in on par with the drunk football fans we have in the states

Except we don't have football fans that stand in a pattern creating derogatory words in the stands...And you know if they did it would become a serious riot.
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):
I don't understand. Why is this such a problem in Europe?

Maybe the same reason those morons in the white robes insist on parading themselves around minority neighborhoods here?
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
Maybe the same reason those morons in the white robes insist on parading themselves around minority neighborhoods here?

I realize that but like what AA61Hvy mentioned above, as rowdy as fans may get, most of it is directed at the other teams fans, etc. I don't really hear much of widespread fan racism at North American sporting events. When was the last time you saw the MLB, NBA, NFL, or NHL start up a "Say No to Racism" campaign?
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 9):
Except we don't have football fans that stand in a pattern creating derogatory words in the stands.

Ever been to a football game at the old Stanford stadium?? They have been know to push it to the edge and over.

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Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
Ever been to a football game at the old Stanford stadium?? They have been know to push it to the edge and over.

Can't say that I have. But I have never heard of anything like that. I know ESPN and the other news stations would be all over it if something did happen.
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):
That is beyond retarded.

IWhy is this such a problem in Europe?

It's simply disgusting but still not all Europe's problem, though generally racism is growing.
There are these far right hot spots, also in places you wouldn't expect, like in Russia where several coloured foreign people have been killed by neo-nazis.

I haven't seen neo-nazis in action in Finland yet and I hope I never will, I have met enough racist people anyway.
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
They already stink, and they're already brown from head to toe...!

Hey, screw you!  biggrin 
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 11):
racism at North American sporting events

Point taken. Maybe it's because our racists are too pussy to tell people how they feel out in the open? Thus the robes?
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:49 pm

Do you think its possible that it was by accident? Maybe they did not know they were sitting in that order? Come on, give them the bennifit of the doubt...?
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:22 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
Do you think its possible that it was by accident? Maybe they did not know they were sitting in that order? Come on, give them the bennifit of the doubt...?

I am sure that you are joking. They are all standing straight up, and looking foward.

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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 11):
most of it is directed at the other teams fans, etc.

As far as I personally am informed (though I don't follow football and consider it [censored]), this was indeed directed at the other team's fans, as a response to a direct provocation of similar calibre, though lesser magnitude. What the provocation was I do not know, but I can dig it up from some online news portal.
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:09 pm

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 19):
As far as I personally am informed (though I don't follow football and consider it [censored]), this was indeed directed at the other team's fans, as a response to a direct provocation of similar calibre, though lesser magnitude. What the provocation was I do not know, but I can dig it up from some online news portal.

Of course it was. Its not like they have done it before or so.
There have been several matches lately where they have been showing their real faces. And I doubt that they were provocated in those games as well.
 
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:30 pm

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):
I don't understand. Why is this such a problem in Europe?



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
Maybe the same reason those morons in the white robes insist on parading themselves around minority neighborhoods here?

Agree with TedAce, I do think that unfortunately thus racist problem is not limited to Europe. I cannot stand racism, and I'm glad to see I have witnessed very little rascism. They are basically IDIOTS, often drunk or drugged. Two personal examples, while living in Madrid, Spain, for many years, an Irish friend moved over, now he's very white skinned and extremely blonde, thus standing out amongst the "tanned" white locals. One evening walking in my neighbourhood by himself, in which I never had a problem but there did tend to be quite a few drunk students around at weekend nights, he was beaten up on the street, luckily somebody called the police who where nearby and they helped him and arrested all the offenders, who just thought he looked "too pale"! Also walking around the wonderfully beautiful city of Salzburg in Austria, an apparently peaceful place and home of "The Sound of Music", I was surprised to see a group of neo-nazis walking around the city centre shouting out in German, couldn't understand them, but they seemed quite violent. Again police appeared from no where and they were all loaded in a police van.
A sad, yet amusing story. Years ago I was in Malaga city centre during the Easter celebrations (Semana Santa). I was sitting down and there was this black American guy looking very nervous and he saw me, obviously considered I was a safe looking person, asked if I spoke English, yes I'm Irish, and he asks what the hells going on here, I've just arrived and I'm terrified, the KluKluxClan are parading all through the streets, being protected by the police and everybody's cheering them". I explained the were simply part of religious parades, and that's how they dress... nothing to do with the KluKluxKlan. Poor fella!

Seriously though, there has been a worrying yet marginal increase in rascism here in Europe in recent years, usually in the poorer areas with high unemployment and low expectations. Immigration is also rapidly increasing in Europe, between the EU expansion. In my own homeland, when I return, I'm surprised to hear what I would describe as "rascist remarks" against the huge number of foreign nationals that have suddenly landed on our shores in search of a better life in the wealthy Ireland of today. But I don't really consider Irish people to be rascist, it's more a sense of surprise at all these foreigners suddenly moving in to your area, taking jobs, etc., but on the whole when I speak to my young nephews and nieces I envy them as they are so open now, talking about their school friends from Colombia, Mexico, Spain, Croatia, Polan (loads of Polish in Ireland!), Latvians, Chinese, Africans.
Some football supporters are just total f**kers. But unfortunately it's just a minority, and like all minorities, the hit the headlines.
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:22 pm

The more these groups are marginalised the more powerful will be their lure to other youngsters. "Shame, shame" from the above will only glorify them amongs their preferred audience.
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 21):
this black American guy looking very nervous and he saw me, obviously considered I was a safe looking person, asked if I spoke English, yes I'm Irish, and he asks what the hells going on here, I've just arrived and I'm terrified, the KluKluxClan are parading all through the streets, being protected by the police and everybody's cheering them

That is pretty funny, you can't help but feel sorry for him! He should have bought a travel guide!  rotfl 
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Continental (Reply 15):
Hey, screw you!

Hey, I wasn't referring to all croats, just to the nazis among them!  innocent 
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting 9V (Thread starter):
Some fans formed a human swastika against Italy in August.

Just to better clarify this episode, the swastika wasn't against Italy but was against Livorno supporters, famous for their communist political ideas.

Obviously this detail doesn't reduce the seriousness of that episode!
 
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting 9V (Thread starter):
UEFA have warned them they could be excluded from Euro 2008 if their fans continue to flout the game's anti-racism rules.

FIFA and UEFA are a huge joke when it comes to sanctions. They always come up with these "threats", yet most of the times they fail to enforce them. Similar threats have been given to Italy and Turkey in the past two years, but in the end nothing really happened except for a some small fines and two or three games behind closed doors.

It's nice to have anti-racism rules and such, but in the end it only looks good on paper, nothing more. How long do we still have to wait until they enforce said sanctions properly?
 
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
Do you think its possible that it was by accident? Maybe they did not know they were sitting in that order? Come on, give them the bennifit of the doubt...?

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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting Vio (Reply 1):
NO TO RACISM... They should learn a lesson or two from Canada.

Excuse me? Are you trying to tell me that Canada is free of racism? Such a place, unfortunately, does not exist.
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RE: Damn Croatian Idiots!

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting 9V (Thread starter):
William Gaillard, the head of communications for European football's governing body,

one of my ex-bosses before he moved to UEFA !!


Seriously though, this has long been a problem in Croatia - and it is on the rise in other parts of Eastern Europe football-wise. I once attended a Ferencvaros - Ajax Champions League match in Budapest and the behaviour of the Fradi fans was horrendous. They got ordered to play their next euro matches behind closed doors as a result - and rightly so.

Time to stamp it out now.
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