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ahhhh......just a dream of mine. will i ever see it in my lifetime? of course! we'll win it 4 more yrs! any thoughts on england winning the cup?

Cheers,
Kyle

You will be dreaming for a long time seen as they lost 2-0 I think.

Tom.

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1): You will be dreaming for a long time seen as they lost 2-0 I think.

DAMN!!! to who? lets go beat 'em up!! nah, they just lost 2-0 for euro 08 didnt they?

Cheers,
Kyle

England will win the title in 4 years....






































































































...the title of having lost the most penalty shootouts in the history of Football.    

And in four years, it's Germany who'll claim its fourth title.

Today you really wonder why they kicked Sven (who probably is laughing his ass off) out.

Quoting Agill (Reply 4): Today you really wonder why they kicked Sven out.

No...I wonder why these over-paid, talentless woofters are still in the job.
 

Quoting Agill (Reply 4): Today you really wonder why they kicked Sven (who probably is laughing his ass off) out.

He probably wasn't Engerlish enough... which in all normal parts of the world would be seen as a major advantage. 

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3): England will win the title in 4 years....

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3): ...the title of having lost the most penalty shootouts in the history of Football. And in four years, it's Germany who'll claim its fourth title.

In your dreams buddy......but sometimes i seriously think i could have managed better than erickson. he must have been retarded......


Cheers,
Kyle

I guess it would take all the fun out of it if you just gave up the last shred of hope...! 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8): I guess it would take all the fun out of it if you just gave up the last shred of hope...!

for who, germany or england!?!?!  

Cheers,
Kyle

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 7): In your dreams buddy......but sometimes i seriously think i could have managed better than erickson. he must have been retarded......

Just look at us: we have won the last 6 games in a row, only two of those were friendly matches. And in comparison, England has tied against Macedonia 0:0 and lost against Croatia 0:2, also thanks to Paul Robinson allowing the own goal by Gary Neville.  

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Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 9): for who, germany or england!?!?!

Well, I leave that to the reader...!   

good luck and bad luck, thats all....      

Cheers,
Kyle

England Manager....who in their right mind would want that job?

Quoting 9V (Reply 13):

MMMEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Kyle

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter): ahhhh......just a dream of mine. will i ever see it in my lifetime? of course! we'll win it 4 more yrs! any thoughts on england winning the cup?

4 more years and either Poland or USA will get a star  

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3): ...the title of having lost the most penalty shootouts in the history of Football. Big grin duck

That title is OURS!

Signed,
Team Switzerland '06

Poland already has their star of the millenium (for them at least), Robert Kubica..... and the USA is just plain impossible.


Cheers,
Kyle

england win the world cup?? I think this smiley says it all:   

Well, in the game Slovakia Germany, almost the same happened, but here it was no goal for Germany...

I wonder what the English tabloids will say tomorrow. Probably it won't be nice to be an English national team player or coach tomorrow  

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 18): england win the world cup?? I think this smiley says it all:

...and as for Scotland:         

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 18): england win the world cup?? I think this smiley says it all:

ehhh, youll eat your words in 2010!

Cheers, Kyle

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 18): england win the world cup?? I think this smiley says it all:

They won it in 2003    and will loose it in 2007   

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):

You on drugs or something?
Quite simply, England aren't good enough to win the World Cup. Sooneryou lot get that into your head, the less pain you'll be in the next time you get knocked out.
 

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter): will i ever see it in my lifetime? of course! we'll win it 4 more yrs! any thoughts on england winning the cup?

Erm....I wouldn't hang hopes too high, you know...people have turned to alcoholism and worse for being a fan of Engerland AND being optimistic!

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3): the title of having lost the most penalty shootouts in the history of Football

I thought they already ARE record-breaking champion in this funny little sideshow to football??!!

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 23): Sooneryou lot get that into your head, the less pain you'll be in the next time you get knocked out.

Oh now, not at all, keep hoping, pal. There's nothing like the sight of 80,000 red-faced Engerlish hooligans driving home bawling like little kids....I had the pleasure this year, already looking forward to watch it again in Austria/Switzerland...and in South Africa      

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 23): Quite simply, England aren't good enough to win the World Cup.

Quite true. But the point is, with the players they have, they ought to be pretty close. But they aren't. Overpaid, self-obsessed prima-donnas utterly incapable if finding another player five yards away; so petrified of losing that they produce a team that's stultifyingly boring, pathetically negative and looking like they don't give a stuff. Ask them to play a slightly different formation and these multi-millionaire supposedly world-class performers look like they've just been asked to explain the General Theory of Relativity. Put them under any pressue and they resort to lumping the ball sixty yards up the field, irrespective of what the coach (any coach) asks them to do.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3): the title of having lost the most penalty shootouts in the history of Football

Don't know about in four years, I think we already hold this record.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 24): There's nothing like the sight of 80,000 red-faced Engerlish hooligans driving home bawling like little kids....I had the pleasure this year, already looking forward to watch it again in Austria/Switzerland...and in South Africa silly duck

Not often I agree with Germans, but you have a point there  

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter): any thoughts on england winning the cup?

Don't they get a yellow shirt or a green jacket to wear?

Does everyone on the team get a cup?   
Does each team member get a turn to wear it?
Are they photographed wearing it for the "Cup Calender"?

That is so stupid to offer an athletic supporter as a trophy.   

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 22): They won it in 2003 and will loose it in 2007

thats a no brainer. I just wonder when they will win their next world cup whether it be in Cricket, Soccer or Rugby

Quoting Banco (Reply 25): I think we already hold this record.

You most certainly do......maybe a few well-deserved stains on your jerseys....?   

Quoting Andreas (Reply 29):

Wind-ups only work if the target disagrees with you, you know.  

Quoting Banco (Reply 30): Wind-ups only work if the target disagrees with you, you know

I'm not winding you up...do I ever??

Quoting Banco (Reply 25): But the point is, with the players they have, they ought to be pretty close

See, we disagree 

Quoting Andreas (Reply 31): See, we disagree

England have better players than Germany, but Germany romped through the World Cup and reached the semi-final - and could have gone further. England were inept throughout and limped out at the quarter-final stage. Germany were greater than the sum of their parts, England are far, far, far less.

I don't think any serious football expert would deny that England have a collection of fine players, but as a team, they're utterly, uselessly shite. When we got to the World Cup, the hope was that they would finally put it together and play as a team. They didn't, they got worse. the defeat to Croatia in itself isn't that appalling, it's a hard place to go, but coming on the back of the dreadful draw with Macedonia, the turgid World Cup display and the fact that they haven't put together a decent display in ages, the conclusion can only be that they aren't a team at all, merely a collection of talented mercenaries.

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Quoting Banco (Reply 32): I don't think any serious football expert would deny that England have a collection of fine players, but as a team, they're utterly, uselessly shite. When we got to the World Cup, the hope was that they would finally put it together and play as a team. They didn't, they got worse. the defeat to Croatia in itself isn't that appalling, it's a hard place to go, but coming on the back of the dreadful draw with Macedonia, the turgid World Cup display and the fact that they haven't put together a decent display in ages, the conclusion can only be that they aren't a team at all, merely a collection of talented mercenaries.

        

100% right there. Its ridiculous to hear how there's this excuse that the team formation was all wrong against Croatia. It really says that these bunch of useless wasters are ridiculously overpaid if they can't cope with a change in formation. I mean good grief it wasn't an earth shattering one. If Terry and Ferdinand are two of the so-called best defenders in the world, switching from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 or whatever shouldn't be THAT hard.

Talking of Ferdinand, I noticed that he's been claiming that the team was put under a weight of too much expectation by everyone prior to the World Cup Finals. Seems his forgetful side has kiced in again, bearing in mind he was the won claiming that the team were putting themselves under pressure becuase they believed they could win, etc....

But money is everything for some of these players - actually wanting to win for your country and pride in the jersey means nothing any more it seems.

Quoting Banco (Reply 32): England have better players than Germany

Interesting theory that I definitely doubt!

Now: How to prove it? Transfer payments? Forget it, useless, given the financing differences between Premier and Bundesliga. Just because someone was actually stupid enough to pay 27 mn Euro for a guy who was second rate during WC...well fine for him, it doesn't say much about the quality of the player, though!

So how to measure it? Why and exactly by how much is Rooney better than Klose (you don't want to measure by goals, trust me!!).

Why are Terry and Cole better than Metzelder and Mertesacker...or even Friedrich and Friedrich (again, don't go for the goals received...you wouldn't like the outcome )?

Or Lampard and Ballack (if one accepts the fact, that Ballack is a real 6, not as 10...a fact Bayern Munich never seemed to accept)...or Frings? Lahm?

Did you take a look at the average age of the German team...and those young players that are already waiting in the aisles to enter the team? You don't have an advantage there!

Using the CL and UEFA Cup? Forget it, your teams are pretty good there because you do have so many foreign superstar players (does Arsenal ring a bell? Chelsea?) German clubs just cannot afford (and I don't relly see a disadvantage there, but ok, I'll give you that, only: It doesn't prove English players to be better than their German counterparts.

Quoting Banco (Reply 32): don't think any serious football expert would deny that England have a collection of fine players, but as a team, they're utterly, uselessly shite.

That sounds much better...fine players, not fineR players!! The second part of your sentence of course is totally correct! 

Quoting Andreas (Reply 34): Did you take a look at the average age of the German team...and those young players that are already waiting in the aisles to enter the team? You don't have an advantage there!

How do you work that out? England only have a single player over the age of 30, and most of them are mid-twenties or younger. They had the youngest squad in the World Cup. As for your younger players coming through, I should point out that your under 21s were beaten 3-0 on aggregate by....England two days ago. And Rooney, Lennon, Downing and a couple of others are still eligible for that U21 side.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 34): Now: How to prove it?

You can't "prove" anything one way or the other. I would take it on the opinions of footballing experts the world over, including your very own Franz Beckenbauer. Without exception they all talk about England's talented players, while struggling to understand (well, not all struggling, some of them lambast the tactics, which is fine) how the team can be so poor.

You and me can sit here and say our players are better than yours and vice versa for all eternity, and it'll make no odds. Lampard, Gerrard, Owen and even the much maligned Beckham have all been either winners or runners-up in the European and World players of the year awards in the last few years, which suggests that their peers think they're fairly useful.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 34): Why and exactly by how much is Rooney better than Klose (you don't want to measure by goals, trust me!!).

Klose's a weird one. He looks decidedly average, but he does keep banging those goals in. Rooney's all about potential really. He burst on the scene in 2004, but since then has been largely injured. He certainly wasn't fit in the World Cup. He's still only a kid.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 34): Why are Terry and Cole better than Metzelder and Mertesacker...

In the case of Cole, perhaps because all the big clubs across Europe want him? Not exactly ringing proof, but you can't assess such a thing objectively. Terry I would never claim to be anything that special.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 34): Or Lampard and Ballack

Ballack's a fabulous player. The point here being that with Lampard and Gerrard, England's midfield ought to be one of the most potent about. It isn't, the two of them look like they were only introduced just before kick-off.

As for CL matches, Arsenal are a case apart, entirely foreign. Chelsea's spine is very much English, as is Manchester United's and Liverpool's. The English players are their key players. It's not especially different to Italy in that regard, and they of course, are the World Champions. It's no excuse (for us, I mean) to talk about foreign influence.

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): How do you work that out? England only have a single player over the age of 30, and most of them are mid-twenties or younger.

I said "no advantage"...that implies no disadvantage either! It just sounded as if you trying to say the English does have much more perspective than the German one...and that is not true! The French have a problem (they have a lot of problems by birth, but in football they have a homemade one), both Germany and England do not have....that is easy to work out!

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): You can't "prove" anything one way or the other. I would take it on the opinions of footballing experts the world over, including your very own Franz Beckenbauer. Without exception they all talk about England's talented players, while struggling to understand (well, not all struggling, some of them lambast the tactics, which is fine) how the team can be so poor.

I do not want to prove anything, I wanted to point out that your statement, English players are better than the German ones, is wrong. It may have been true one time or another, but it certainly isn't right now!

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): You and me can sit here and say our players are better than yours and vice versa for all eternity, and it'll make no odds.

That is exactly what I'm trying to say...you just can't no matter how you try to measure it.

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): Lampard, Gerrard, Owen and even the much maligned Beckham have all been either winners or runners-up in the European and World players of the year awards in the last few years, which suggests that their peers think they're fairly useful.

Yes I already gave you that, but it would be dead wrong to conclude that your have "better" players...Chelsea and Arsenal have played matches without any English players at all...or 1 or 2 at most!

And Beckham...well we have a similar case in Germany I took some time to think about: He worked well with ManU, that is, in a certain, rather small perfomance "window", and he got his reputation...he went to Real and thereby left his performance window...and basically ended his career as a top player (same goes for Figo btw). His achievement in merchandising...ok, but that doesn't help English football really!

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): Klose's a weird one. He looks decidedly average,

Ok, but then I prefer an average-looking forward who keeps scoring like mad to any hipster who doesn't score or even worse, gets sent off on a regular basis.

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): Chelsea's spine is very much English, as is Manchester United's and Liverpool's

Because they have the money to buy all English top players..and in the case of Liverpool I do have another opinion....the answer is Spanish!

Quoting Banco (Reply 35): The point here being that with Lampard and Gerrard, England's midfield ought to be one of the most potent about.

Right so....one of the...same here with Ballack and Frings, and it works better and better!! Yesterday evening was so lovely to watch for a tactics afficionado like me: Ballack and Frings just took the steam out of Slovakia, totally and completely...they just positioned themselves in such a way that Slovakia was unable to bring their forwards in a position to score.

They drew the defense away form their goal and made way for our forwards to kick the living you-know-what out of them in the first half.

Oh and btw: For Chrissakes find another goalie...otherwise you'll end up NOT travelling to EC 2008!! But I take you guys figured that one out for yourselves   

When will the "national" teams of England and Scotland be merged into a winning British team ?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 37): When will the "national" teams of England and Scotland be merged into a winning British team ?

That will be the day Scotland finally manages to conquer England....I highly doubt England would do this out of their own free will   

No pun intended, but that sounds like merging the German and the Swiss AND the Austrian team into a winning entity........I can't see the German team change on even ONE position! 

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Quoting Banco (Reply 35): They had the youngest squad in the World Cup.

Falsch. Ghana had the youngest squad in the World Cup followed by the Swiss team.

Quoting Aviationmaster (Reply 39): Ghana had the youngest squad in the World Cup followed by the Swiss team

And look where they ended up...there are some similarities though....as far as penalties are concerned...   

We should have appointed O'neill as manager.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 40): And look where they ended up...there are some similarities though....as far as penalties are concerned... duck

When it comes to penalties, the Swiss team still takes the cake, heck the English at least managed to score once 

Quoting Aviationmaster (Reply 42): heck the English at least managed to score once

That was accidental and certainly not to be expected...but true   

Quoting Andreas (Reply 24): I thought they already ARE record-breaking champion in this funny little sideshow to football??!!

Maybe FIFA could give them for this an official title. 

Quoting Banco (Reply 25): we already hold this record.

True, but see above. Let's make it fully official with a title for this record by FIFA.  

Quoting Aviationmaster (Reply 39): Falsch. Ghana had the youngest squad in the World Cup followed by the Swiss team.

Really? I stand corrected then. I'm sure I read it somewhere...   

Quoting Andreas (Reply 36): It just sounded as if you trying to say the English does have much more perspective than the German one...and that is not true!

It wasn't a specific comment against Germany. Believe it or not, I can sometimes go a whole hour without thinking about the Germans...  

Quoting Andreas (Reply 36): I wanted to point out that your statement, English players are better than the German ones, is wrong. It may have been true one time or another, but it certainly isn't right now!

Yes, but I think you're wrong. You just saying it doesn't make it any more true than me just saying it! I'll go with the likes of Pele, Platini and Beckenbauer saying that they (should have) had the finest midfield in the World Cup, one of the very best sets of players, blah, blah, blah. They know more than any of us.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 36): Oh and btw: For Chrissakes find another goalie...otherwise you'll end up NOT travelling to EC 2008!! But I take you guys figured that one out for yourselves

Ah, that one was just a freak. It took a huge bobble, these thing happen from time to time to all 'keepers. I'd be more critical of Neville's backpass - defenders are routinely told to make sure backpasses are wide of the goal for that very situation.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 38): Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 37): When will the "national" teams of England and Scotland be merged into a winning British team ? That will be the day Scotland finally manages to conquer England....I highly doubt England would do this out of their own free will

Nor would Scotland, not would Wales, nor would Northern Ireland. You have to understand this: fans of all the UK nations are adamantly opposed to this idea, not just one.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 44): True, but see above. Let's make it fully official with a title for this record by FIFA

What for? Competitions are held when there's some degree of uncertainty. What uncertainty is there here?  

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3): And in four years, it's Germany who'll claim its fourth title.

Nope, I think Scotland will take that title   

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 18): england win the world cup?? I think this smiley says it all:

   Exactly Gavin!   

JG

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 46): Nope, I think Scotland will take that title

What title will Scotland win? The title of not qualifying for a World Cup yet again?   

Quoting Banco (Reply 45): Believe it or not, I can sometimes go a whole hour without thinking about the Germans...

I believe NOT! 

Quoting Banco (Reply 45): They know more than any of us.

And WHAT do you expect them to say on English TV...or on German TV when it comes to our midfield after the first few games....Exactly!

Quoting Banco (Reply 45): defenders are routinely told to make sure backpasses are wide of the goal for that very situation.

Actually in the case of England backpasses in any direction should be forbidden   . Now it wasn't the first one but hey....it's your goalie!

Quoting Banco (Reply 45): You have to understand this: fans of all the UK nations are adamantly opposed to this idea, not just one.

I know that, after watching several games in the presence of people from all over UK (sometimes simultaneously) one tends to learn a lot about what these people think about each other. My point was rather that England's team wouldn't exactly get stronger....though I have to say, you might be able to grab another goalie.....

Quoting Banco (Reply 45): What uncertainty is there here?

None whatsoever, which is why I recommend to show it on your jerseys!!

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10): also thanks to Paul Robinson

The number one reason England never wins. Their keepers suck.