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Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:46 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/11/shays.kennedy.ap/index.html

I just don't believe it! Why can't Republicans in tight races just say "What Foley did was terrible, but it was the action of a disturbed individual, and doesn't represent a positionheld by the general Republican electorate?"

A lame four-decade old tit-for-tast is astounding. I hope voters aren't really that stupid.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I just don't believe it!

I may not believe it but coming from a politician it doesn't surprise me anymore. I think he needs a little bit of water to wash his foot down with after this one.

While I shudder to think what will happen if the Democrats take control it won't come as the least bit of a surprise given the retardedness of the GOP as of late.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:29 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I just don't believe it!

Why not? When in serious trouble of one way or the other, the official Republican response, and that of many of their loyals, is to find something to say "well, the Democrats....". They still blame Bill Clinton for about everything, case in point lately being John McCain's pot-shots. So wny not bring up somethng that happened almost 40 years ago, that didn't involve a minor, and did involve a current member of Congress. It's the M/O for the GOP of this day and age.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:35 pm

So what's actually expected of the voters after statements like this? Are people supposed to say "Well, yeah. I guess Ted Kennedy DID do an awful thing back then. I guess that cancels out the current GOP scandal. I'm voting republican?"
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:43 pm

New legal and political arguments by the GOP:

1. He raped your wife, but she didn't die. Let him go.

2. He buggered your 8 year old child, but he/she didn't die. Let him go.

3. Yeah, he was tortured for 24 hours, but at least he didn't die. Quit, complaining.

4. He robbed you and broke your legs, but at least you didn't die. Shut up.

They kicked you out of office, but at least you're still alive. So, get lost, Mr. Shays.

Frankly, Shays must have been having a bad day. He's one of the smarter Republicans around. The fact that he said this is tragic.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:44 pm

Disgusting? Yes. surprising? No.

Remember, this is the party that accuses war hero's of being cowards who inflicted their own wounds either on purpose or out of incompetence.

This is the party who associated Max Cleland, a decorated war hero who lost limbs in battle, to Osama bin Laden.

This is the same party who made phone calls to potential voters in South Carolina accusing ONE MEMBER OF THEIR OWN PARTY of having an illegitimate minority child.

They have no shame.

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
"What Foley did was terrible, but it was the action of a disturbed individual, and doesn't represent a positionheld by the general Republican electorate?"

I actually give Reynolds in NY a lot of credit for saying the right thing. He acknowledged mistakes were made, more could have been done, and apologized. As far as I'm concerned, he's forgiven.

Instead of the 'circle the wagons' and 'deflect, blame, deflect, blame' games the GOP likes to play in these situation, they should follow Reynolds lead and grow a pair.

But they don't really have the best example in their party leader, Mr. 'I haven't made any mistakes.'

BTW, $5 American to the person who guesses the first Bush ass kisser on here who tries to get this thread off topic.  Wink
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):
This is the party who associated Max Cleland, a decorated war hero who lost limbs in battle, to Osama bin Laden.

While that campaign was a particularly ugly one on both sides it is a fact that Cleland didn't lose his limbs in battle. He lost them in Vietnam but he wasn't in a battle at the time. IIRC he didn't get a Purple Heart since it was not a battle related injury but rather him mishandling a grenade.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
While that campaign was a particularly ugly one on both sides it is a fact that Cleland didn't lose his limbs in battle. He lost them in Vietnam but he wasn't in a battle at the time. IIRC he didn't get a Purple Heart since it was not a battle related injury but rather him mishandling a grenade.

Gag, what is that? Another fake moan uttered from the lips of that coked up GOP Porn starlet, Ann Coulter?

According to Cleland's own commanding officer, Cleland was with the Battalion Forward Command Post in heavy combat involving the attack of the 1st Cavalry Division up the valley to relieve the Marines who were besieged and surrounded at the Khe Shan Firebase. The whole surrounding area was an active combat zone. As they were getting off the helicopter, Cleland saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. It turns out that the grenade had been left lying around by another soldier.

The fact that his legs hadn't been sawed off by angry Viet Cong with a rusty knife is immaterial. He lost his limbs while serving in the military in a combat support mission.

And he was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for combat in Vietnam.

Like the other GOP political porn starlet, Michelle Malkin, Coulter prefers actors playing soldiers. She doesn't like the real kind, because they don't pay her to.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
IIRC he didn't get a Purple Heart since it was not a battle related injury but rather him mishandling a grenade.

Haha I was about to call BS on that, but Jay beat me to it.

The bigger point is the GOP thinks that if you're a Dem, your military service doesn't count.

Ironic, considering who they have in the White House.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:00 am

I'm sorry, you just don't go around making light of the injuries people suffer while in combat. Or the fact that they fought bravely.

I never once heard of anyone contest Bob Dole's war injuries as a political ploy. Or impugn John McCain's service. Or Chuck Hagel's purple star.

Give respect where respect is due. Its something that two-bit tart Coulter doesn't know a damn thing about.

But hey, the new line is:

"So what if I made fun of his lost limbs? So what if I used the N-word? So what if he was "macaca'd?" No one died."
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I hope voters aren't really that stupid.

Hope in one and and shit in the other....
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
The fact that his legs hadn't been sawed off by angry Viet Cong with a rusty knife is immaterial. He lost his limbs while serving in the military in a combat support mission.

Agreed. But to say he lost them in combat is wrong. He was not engaged with the enemy at the time. In fact he was staying behind to visit some friends at the camp.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
As they were getting off the helicopter, Cleland saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. It turns out that the grenade had been left lying around by another soldier.

Cleland was ordered to erect a communications antenna on a nearby mountain top but decided to stay behind and have some beers with some guys he knew there. This recounting of the incident comes from his mouth.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
Haha I was about to call BS on that, but Jay beat me to it.

You can't call BS on something that is true. He did not get a Purple Heart for that incident.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
Give respect where respect is due.

I respect Cleland's service and the sacrifice he has given for this country. That campaign was dirty on both sides and turned me off to Saxby given his lack of military record.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
I'm sorry, you just don't go around making light of the injuries people suffer while in combat. Or the fact that they fought bravely.

I wasn't making light of his injuries but just pointing out that they were not directly from combat.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
The bigger point is the GOP thinks that if you're a Dem, your military service doesn't count.

Sad but true and something I'm not too keen on with their way of thinking. Quite disgusting.

Back to the original post though. The GOP has gotten pretty desperate in their attempt to hold on to power. As I said earlier I shudder to think of what the Dems will do but the GOP deserves to be tossed out on their ass the way they have acted over the past couple of years and lack of listening skills to the public.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
You can't call BS on something that is true. He did not get a Purple Heart for that incident.

Where did I say he did?
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:51 am

I reread your post and see now that you were calling BS on the recount of the incident and not the issuing of a Purple Heart. My bad.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
It's the M/O for the GOP of this day and age.

I am certainly no Bush apologist, but the DNP blames Bush for everything as well. This is the sad game that has become all common among the juveniles running this country. God forbid someone actually talk about some real issues. Vote for me because I wont flirt with underage boys, forget that I have no plan to deal with %50 of Americans not having health insurance. No idea how to deal with a devastating war that is costing the US tax payers a billion a day. Nah I can talk in glittering generalities, I can sling mud all day...yeah vote for me. Both sides of the aisle do it, and they do it all the time. Especially a month out from the election. It is disturbing and the US voters need to figure out a viable third party.
 
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
"What Foley did was terrible, but it was the action of a disturbed individual, and doesn't represent a positionheld by the general Republican electorate?"

Clearly this is an accurate statement.

I think the more important issue now is who knew what when.

If high level Republicans knew about Mark Foley's behaviour, they should have taken action to stop it. However, if they did not know, (we can't expect them to have a crystal ball) then your comments are accurate.
 
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Why not? When in serious trouble of one way or the other, the official Republican response, and that of many of their loyals, is to find something to say "well, the Democrats....". They still blame Bill Clinton for about everything,

It goes both ways, Falcon, and you know that. When cornered, the Democrats don't provide plans or solutions, they point to Republicans and place blame.

This is only more BS from another dickhead politician, so what's new? It's exactly the same as the Dems' "Nobody died when Clinton lied" nonsense.




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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
It's exactly the same as the Dems' "Nobody died when Clinton lied" nonsense.

Nobody even got a hangnail when Clinton lied. It was a total non-event, except to the rabid Right.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 17):
It was a total non-event

Bullshit. A president going under oath, speaking directly to the people of his country and lieing right out of his mouth is a big event, no matter what the subject.

That goes for every president, too.




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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
A president going under oath, speaking directly to the people of his country and lieing right out of his mouth is a big event, no matter what the subject.

"Politician lies" has about the same shock-horror factor as "Bear shits in woods" or "Pope is Catholic". The whole impeachment thing was SUCH a pretext, it was a joke.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
"Politician lies" has about the same shock-horror factor as "Bear shits in woods" or "Pope is Catholic".

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But that's beyond the point, right? The point is - it's ridiculous to justify one's actions by saying that someone else did the same thing, only worse - and BOTH the Dems and Reps do it. This subject is an example of an idiot Republican politician doing it.




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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
Bullshit. A president going under oath, speaking directly to the people of his country and lieing right out of his mouth is a big event, no matter what the subject.

That goes for every president, too.

I assume you include the current president in that opinion? Do you believe that every word he has uttered to the American people is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 20):
But that's beyond the point, right? The point is - it's ridiculous to justify one's actions by saying that someone else did the same thing, only worse - and BOTH the Dems and Reps do it. This subject is an example of an idiot Republican politician doing it.

Well, lying AND perving underage boys. The underage boys thing is the kicker here, especially as the perv in question was drafting laws against it at the time - "Hey, kettle - you're BLACK !"
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
I assume you include the current president in that opinion?

Of course, but what lies are we talking about? Every "lie" the Democrats push on the President is hardly exact and/or directly provable - it's subject to interpretation - that means half-truths are coming from each side. In the case of Clinton, it's hardly under question that he did in fact, lie, because he admitted everything.

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
Do you believe that every word he has uttered to the American people is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

I haven't seen any proof or indication that he's knowingly lied to us, even if many of the things he has said have turned out to be false.

Yet, he is a politician, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least.



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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:42 am

They may not have killed anybody, but GOP sure is killing their chances in November every time they open their mouths now.

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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:58 am

They are all dirtbags, every single last one of the scum in Washington. I am not going to vote for an incumbent this year. It is time for term limits. Absolute power currupts absolutely!
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
It goes both ways, Falcon, and you know that. When cornered, the Democrats don't provide plans or solutions, they point to Republicans and place blame.

Well, there's a good reason for that. Republicans have had control of all three branches for the past 6 years. Who else is to blame? The Whigs?

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
When cornered, the Democrats don't provide plans or solutions, they point to Republicans and place blame.

This is only more BS from another dickhead politician, so what's new? It's exactly the same as the Dems' "Nobody died when Clinton lied" nonsense.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):
BTW, $5 American to the person who guesses the first Bush ass kisser on here who tries to get this thread off topic.

Did anyone say NWA742?  Wink
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
It's exactly the same as the Dems' "Nobody died when Clinton lied" nonsense.

The Dems battle cry may have been nonsense, but you can't equate the two. Lying about Monica enjoying her protein shake and lying about seducing a teenage boy are 2 different things. The former is not a crime, the latter is.

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 25):
I am not going to vote for an incumbent this year. It is time for term limits

Yeah. Tell that to the Republican entering class of 1994. Most of them are still here, even after swearing to quit after 2 terms.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Cleland was ordered to erect a communications antenna on a nearby mountain top but decided to stay behind and have some beers with some guys he knew there. This recounting of the incident comes from his mouth.

Actually, that comes from an unsourced Wikipedia write-up.

This is what came from Cleland's mouth:

"On April 8, 1968, I volunteered for one last mission. The helicopter moved in low. The troops jumped out with M16 rifles in hand as we crouched low to the ground to avoid the helicopter blades. Then I saw the grenade. It was where the chopper had lifted off. It must be mine, I thought. Grenades had fallen off my web gear before. Shifting the M16 to my left hand and holding it behind me, I bent down to pick up the grenade.

"A blinding explosion threw me backwards."


http://www.josephsoninstitute.org/poc/cleland.htm

This happened on April 8, 1968, 4 days after he engaged in combat in the battle of Khe San, and while the US was trying to hold Khe San. As it turns out, the grenade wasn't his. It was left there by someone else in his troop who in error straightened the pin so that it exploded when Cleland picked it up.

Meanwhile, that foul tramp, Ann Coulter, and her slime-ball groupies portrayed this as some sort of beer fest on the beach. I'd like to see her reaction if three of her press-on fingernails fell off.
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 26):
Well, there's a good reason for that. Republicans have had control of all three branches for the past 6 years. Who else is to blame?

And you completely missed the point. It's not about who's in control, it's about both sides being so partisan these days that all they do is point fingers instead of actually solve problems.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 26):
Did anyone say NWA742?

That hurts.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 27):
The Dems battle cry may have been nonsense, but you can't equate the two.

Yes you can, it all narrows down to what I said before - it's ridiculous to justify one's actions by saying for example, "Well, so and so lied too," and BOTH the Dems and Reps do it. This subject is an example of an idiot Republican politician doing it.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 27):
The former is not a crime

No no, perjury is a crime.




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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 23):
... I haven't seen any proof or indication that he's knowingly lied to us ...

In the absence of whatever you might consider to be 'proof', what does your intuition tell you?

Saying that you have no proof is a bit like discussing what the meaning of "is" is.

So - what do you think? Is he (GWB) a 100% honest president, or not?
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:07 am

Remember folks, nobody died when Clinton lied.......


Hey G.O.P.:

 
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RE: Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 29):
In the absence of whatever you might consider to be 'proof', what does your intuition tell you?

What do you care? Why does it matter? I mean, if you must know, my intuition tells me that GWB is a politician, and no politician is ever 100% honest, hell, no person is 100% honest on what they tell others.




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