luisde8cd
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Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:17 am

After saying he had more than 150 secure votes in the UN, Chavez has received only 76 votes compared to the 109 votes that Guatemala got.

Nonetheless, Guatemala's votes falls short of the 124 needed to win the seat. A round of diplomacy is expected during the day in order to secure the 13 votes that Guatemala needs to get the seat.

The International community has given Chavez a strong message and a embarrasing defeat.

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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
The International community has given Chavez a strong message and a embarrasing defeat.

Still leaves 76 countries in the world who are led by complete wackos.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
Still leaves 76 countries in the world who are led by complete wackos.

Wackos that would have taken the money promised by Chavez and spend it on themselves and not their countries.
 
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
After saying he had more than 150 secure votes in the UN, Chavez has received only 76 votes compared to the 109 votes that Guatemala got.

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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:10 am

I want to see the list of countries who voted for Venezuela. Obviously North Korea, Zimbabwe and Iran voted for them, but out of 76 countries who need a whack upside the head, I want to know how many supposed "allies" voted for them.

Anyone have the list?
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:39 am

Latest news has the sixth vote a tie, with Guatemala losing votes and Venezuela gaining. The analysis is that it isn't so much a case as Venezuela getting closer to winning as it is an indication that these two are deadlocked and a third party consensus candidate needs to emerge.

Be interesting to see what the next vote shows.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
want to see the list of countries who voted for Venezuela. Obviously North Korea, Zimbabwe and Iran voted for them, but out of 76 countries who need a whack upside the head, I want to know how many supposed "allies" voted for them.

Anyone have the list?

I can tell you Brazil and Argentina voted for Venezuela, but mostly out of alliegence to a MERCOSUR member, and a bit of opposition to the United States, than real support for Chavez.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
I want to see the list of countries who voted for Venezuela. Obviously North Korea, Zimbabwe and Iran voted for them, but out of 76 countries who need a whack upside the head, I want to know how many supposed "allies" voted for them.

Anyone have the list?

I'm sure Congo is in there.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 6):
I can tell you Brazil and Argentina voted for Venezuela, but mostly out of alliegence to a MERCOSUR member, and a bit of opposition to the United States, than real support for Chavez.

Don't forget where the UN is located. We could easily drop out and send them packing. Maybe a new civilian alliance, along NATO lines?

VERY good news, BTW.   

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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 8):
Don't forget where the UN is located. We could easily drop out and send them packing. Maybe a new civilian alliance, along NATO lines?

I'm not sure what you meant.

As I understand it, the UN is technically not United States's territory, but I would suspect that if the bottom fellout of US-UN relations, I guess they could be forced to move. And I know some of the grievances the US has about the UN, I understand why those feelings might exist (though not all).

As for the effect, the UN is about as useful to Argentina as an improvement Turkmenistan-Uzbek relations. Argentina gets n-a-d-a out of the UN. The UN gets I would suspect millions in dues, and also by far the most military troops from any nation in Latin America for peacekeeping operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Cyprus, Ecuador-Peru, and Haiti, where in fact there is active military operations and an Argentine chopper went down not long ago killing six soldiers. They need us more than we do them.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
Latest news has the sixth vote a tie, with Guatemala losing votes and Venezuela gaining. The analysis is that it isn't so much a case as Venezuela getting closer to winning as it is an indication that these two are deadlocked and a third party consensus candidate needs to emerge.

The 10th vote gave Guatemala 110 votes against just 74 of Venezuela. Guatemala retains the lead and is ready to continue fighting for the seat. Voting resumes tomorrow morning.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Anyone have the list?

MERCOSUR, Caribbean islands (nations that bend over to Chavez for a couple barrels of discounted oil), Iran, North Korea, Angola, Syria, Belarus, Russia, China, Lebannon, Vietnam, Laos, Algeria.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
The 10th vote gave Guatemala 110 votes against just 74 of Venezuela. Guatemala retains the lead and is ready to continue fighting for the seat. Voting resumes tomorrow morning.

Glad to see its swung back the other way - sounds like it'll go to Guatemala.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
As I understand it, the UN is technically not United States's territory, but I would suspect that if the bottom fellout of US-UN relations, I guess they could be forced to move. And I know some of the grievances the US has about the UN, I understand why those feelings might exist (though not all).

Yeah, think it's mainly Chinese and Russian obstructionism that bothers us most.
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RE: Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 12):
Yeah, think it's mainly Chinese and Russian obstructionism that bothers us most.

Obstructionism? Obstructing what exactly? The American plans and goals for the world? Get over it people. Russia and China have a right to do as they please, and if that means that they want to stand up to American hegemony, then so be it.

Not only is this a 'loss' for Venezuela, but it is also a loss for the US. Many reports have quoted different UN ambassadors as saying that Guatemala could have easily won the seat with no problems, but it was US lobbying on behalf of Guatemala that caused the current impasse.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
MERCOSUR, Caribbean islands (nations that bend over to Chavez for a couple barrels of discounted oil), Iran, North Korea, Angola, Syria, Belarus, Russia, China, Lebannon, Vietnam, Laos, Algeria.

And don't forget most of Africa, and probably half of Asia.

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