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Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:49 am

Until the 70's GM was one of the biggest company's in the world. GM made cars as they still do today, they made buses from school buses to transit buses like the new look ( fishbowl) and RTSII and even highway coaches like the senicrusier and Buffalo. GM made full size 18 wheel truck like the General. GM even built locomotives though EMD. After the 70's GM drop out of the buses and truck business, and they recently sold EMD, so is there a chance GM will ever become the company they was. Even though I look at GM cars as cheap lower class cars ( that's why I drive a Honda) it still sad to see a great company like this go to such low standers.
 
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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:55 am

The short answer is no. Not as they exist today. They are bogged down for a lot of understandable reasons. Their product lines are nearly complete shite. I have a Pontiac Grand Prix this week as my rental. What a horrid car. Nothing works as it should. Get me home to my Hondas. PLEASE!
 
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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:14 am

I think one of the big problems with GM is that they have to deal with with high labor costs. With their aging workforce, one of the big issues is the pension benefits. Now, I don't know exactly what the deal is with car makers like Honda and Toyota, but as newer firms, I don't think they have the same high labor costs that GM does. Plus, Toyota has an excellent inventory system that allows them to reduce inventory costs; I'm not sure how GM manages their inventory.

As for quality, I know from my own experiences(which doesn't count for anything but personal consumer experience) their newer car aren't well built. My Honda is 2 years older than my sister's Cheverolet, but her car is in way worse condition with less miles on it.

GM could still have a comeback, but they have a lot of work cut out for them.
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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting ShakeZulaNJ (Reply 2):
I think one of the big problems with GM is that they have to deal with with high labor costs. With their aging workforce, one of the big issues is the pension benefits.

So costs are preventing GM from making quality products that would increase their profits? Right.

Or maybe not. Perhaps it is just their lack of vision.

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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:23 am

I think GM are facing many different problems that they need to straighten out quick. Aging work force and high pension costs are just the beginning. GM has also counted on their trucks (SUV's and pickups), for alot of their profits, and they are just not selling as well as they were. I personally find the general design of most of thier vehicles rather bland and unappealing and add to that quality issues and I think it will be quite a while before they can straighten themselves out.

As a side note, I read somewhere that Nissan was interested in becoming a partner with GM. Is this true? The same article said something about Renault also?
 
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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:24 am

Ummm... I have owned 5 GM brand vehicles and ALL of them have been 100% reliable without any issues...

In fact, my two current vehicles (Beretta Z26 & GMC Yukon) are the two most durable vehicles I have ever owned and have provided me with thousands upon thousands of miles of trouble-free motoring, unlike my attempt at an import (Honda Accord) and other domestics I have owned (Ford & Chrysler).

So let's not be so quick to paint all GM brand vehicles as junk...
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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:32 am

I frequently see the Mercury TV ads (that have to rely a little too much on that cutie) that tout 31 mpg.

Which may sound great....

-until I mention that my 1995 Honda Del Sol with 194,000 miles on it STILL gets the same mileage: 31 mpg....with the original engine, transmission, and clutch still in it.

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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:35 am

Well, as long as they don't go under any time soon...I've got my eye on a Saturn Vue Green Line.
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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:37 am

Where to begin? General Motors is probably one of the most screwed up companies out there today. They are not only bogged down from high employee pension costs, but they are led by poor managment, held down by unions, have a lack of innovation, and crappy people working on the floor. That is one reason Honda and Toyota are able to do so well is because their workers aren't unionized. I could go on forever.


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RE: Will General Motors Ever Become Great Again?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 1):
The short answer is no. Not as they exist today. They are bogged down for a lot of understandable reasons. Their product lines are nearly complete shite. I have a Pontiac Grand Prix this week as my rental. What a horrid car. Nothing works as it should. Get me home to my Hondas. PLEASE!

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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