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News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:25 am

...when referring to someone of the African-American background.

Political correctness run amuck, really.

See:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/17/democrats.apology/index.html

I'm sorry; did I say "black list"? I meant "bad list".

Self-censorship? A Democrat? Say it ain't so, Joe!

I'm sorry; did I say "Joe"? Was that anti-Semitic?

[Edited 2006-10-18 18:33:43]
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
I'm sorry; did I say "black list"? I meant "bad list".

You are such a chav.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:48 am

So let me get this straight - A Dem referred to a Rebub's 'slavish' devotion to the right wing, the Repub is the one that screams, the Dem apologizes for any unintended offense, and you're criticizing the Dem for self censorship? Where is the equal outrage for the Repubs, for even raising the issue?

The fact that the 'mostly black audience' didn't have an issue with the words is probably more telling than anything. Your one sided spin is as transparent as Steele's politically motivated attempt to play the race card.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 2):
So let me get this straight - A Dem referred to a Rebub's 'slavish' devotion to the right wing, the Repub is the one that screams, the Dem apologizes for any unintended offense, and you're criticizing the Dem for self censorship? Where is the equal outrage for the Repubs, for even raising the issue?

Sorry. I should also have mentioned that the Republican candidate was an oversensitive boor to have raised the issue. Which is why I'm glad I don't have to vote for either of these nuts.

In my humble opinion, of course.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:37 am

This is so pathetic and victimish though - objecting to "slavish" and "niggardly" etc - these are real legitimate English words, stop being so sensitive about being black, nobody is victimising black people by using these words. Oh all right "African American" if you must, but there are several hundred thousand Africans (ie people whose families have lived in Africa for more than 350 years) living in America who are of caucasian, Arabic or East Asian origin, so the term "African American" is actually racist too if it is only allowed to apply to persons of black African origin.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
This is so pathetic and victimish though - objecting to "slavish" and "niggardly" etc - these are real legitimate English words, stop being so sensitive about being black, nobody is victimising black people by using these words.

Agreed. It's a form of nongovernmental censorship at its most absurd.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 5):
Agreed. It's a form of nongovernmental censorship at its most absurd.

Nongovernmental be damned. All censorship is invalid and an infringement of freedom of expression. But it's not as if these words have EVER had an insulting or offensive connotation - you can't even quote archaic examples of when they MIGHT have been used in a negative way against persons of colour.
If (and I say if) African Americans are so hard done by and put upon, even in these enlightened days, do they need to go around inventing imagined slurs to make their point ? Concentrate on the real injustices, if they exist - and if they don't, be happy about the "American" part, and thank your lucky stars that the "African" part is just an ill-deserved and self-isolating shibboleth.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
Nongovernmental be damned. All censorship is invalid and an infringement of freedom of expression

Well, I couldn't entirely agree. For example, self-censorship can be a very beneficial thing.

For example, if a casual friend comes by and said that he absolutely had to buy a new car, but you really despised that model of car, would you make an issue out of it and tell him how much you hated it? If you didn't tell him, that's a form of self-censorship.

Also, most large organizations have a policy of censorship ranging from what can be said by an employee against the employer, to what board members are allowed to reveal to the public.

So I think I would disagree with you there.

Government censorship, however, should indeed be highly limited, and almost entirely limited to critical matters of national defense.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
Concentrate on the real injustices, if they exst [...].

Agreed.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
If (and I say if) African Americans are so hard done by and put upon, even in these enlightened days, do they need to go around inventing imagined slurs to make their point ? Concentrate on the real injustices, if they exist - and if they don't, be happy about the "American" part, and thank your lucky stars that the "African" part is just an ill-deserved and self-isolating shibboleth.

Before you get too worked up, please note that the only person that was 'offended' by this was the politician, and for fairly obvious self-serving reasons. The black community didn't make an issue of the word slavish. I do wish Hoyer would've stood his ground and called out Steele's move for what it was, but again, this wasn't an issue for those that heard it, just for Steele.
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RE: News Alert: "Slavish" On Black List...

Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 8):
do wish Hoyer would've stood his ground and called out Steele's move for what it was, but again, this wasn't an issue for those that heard it, just for Steele.

I think the black community could definitely take a more assertive role in showing that it isn't as oversensitive as some of its purported leaders seem to believe it should be.
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