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Smart - Opinions

Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:01 pm

I'm intrested in buying a Smart. Any of you know/have this kind of car ? I need some advises pro and/or contra.
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Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:23 pm

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Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:32 pm

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Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:38 pm

Thanks ANC, great link. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.
 
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Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.

At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.
If it was said by us, then it must be true.
 
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Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
At lows speeds yes

I'm not planing to drive a Smart fast - it simply wasn't build for that. It was build for driving around in major cities, and that's what I need it for.
 
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Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.

As in most other cars - don't kid yourself about your chances surviving a high-speed crash in any larger car.

The car may well survive - as the Smart in this case - but the human body still isn't made of steel.
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:23 am

I'd go for a Think.  Wink



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Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:26 am

From wich carmaker ?
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 8):
From wich carmaker ?

Think is a Norwegian made Car. (Called "Think") but Ford bought the company, and then they didn't want it anymore or something. Not 100% sure what the situation is...

Obviously they don't have to be a convertible...  Smile

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Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.

It said a high speed impact in any car would have killed the drivers.

So much for the argument that huge SUV's are safer  Yeah sure
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 10):
So much for the argument that huge SUV's are safer

I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week . . . I would imagine my chances of survival in this . . . .



. . . . are far greater than my chances of survival in this:



Give me a BAFDT over a Euro-Spec car any day of the week . . .
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I would imagine my chances of survival in this . .

It totally depends on the accident. In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not. Thanks to the crumple zones.
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 12):
In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not. Thanks to the crumple zones.

In Alaska, you're probably more likely to hit the Pope than you are another vehicle.  Wink
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.
At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.
As in most other cars - don't kid yourself about your chances surviving a high-speed crash in any larger car.

Correct. Even if the passenger compartment survives intact, the human body probably can't stand the forces involved going from 70 to 0 in one second.
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week . . . I would imagine my chances of survival in this . .

SUVs are notorious for overturning when they are suddenly swerved. There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar. They were both following a car (which was in front), which suddenly braked...the Jag was able to swerve and avoid hitting the vehicle in front, but when the Range Rover swerved, it went cartwheeling 4-5 times...scary stuff.
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 12):
It totally depends on the accident. In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not.

 rotfl 

How many single vehicle accidents have you seen (much less investigated) a truck like mine get in to? I've seen many . . . other than a bent bumper or a caved finder, not much else to write home about . . .


As for crumple zones, well - I figure someone driving the Smart has about 24 inches of crumple zone in front of the windshield - then the driver is fucked. I pretty much have an 8 foot hood with plenty of 'crumple' out there.

In a multi-vehicle incident, involving say, my BAFDT and perhaps a Toyota Tundra, or a (God forbid) Dodge Neon or that spare tire in the photo above, who do you think is gonna come outta that in better shape?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar.

And I wouldn't own either one . . . they're nothing but wannabes, along with the Mercedes, Toyota, BMW and all the other psuedo SUVs out there.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
Even if the passenger compartment survives intact, the human body probably can't stand the forces involved going from 70 to 0 in one second.

Not unless you're strapped in like Tony Stewart . . .

. . . . .

I'm sticking with the BAFDT . . . you can keep those lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
I'm sticking with the BAFDT . . . you can keep those lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.

 rotfl  Thats priceless.
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):

I'd rather have a Kinder Surprise!

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Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week

It depense on what you car is needed for. The car in the pic...Hmmm...doesn't really fit the streets of Tel-Aviv if you know what I mean...comparing the two is like comparing the Extra300 to a 777.
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 19):
It depense on what you car is needed for. The

Quite true. I would like to see the Smart or the other 'Speck' car manage in six, ten, fifteen inches of snow . . . or on ice . . . on a combination of the above . . . just not suitable for Alaska.
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:00 pm

Forget Smart. It's so small it's useless. Sometime you just need more trunk space than to fit your backpack or take more than one pax.
I'd go for one of these:



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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
As for crumple zones, well - I figure someone driving the Smart has about 24 inches of crumple zone in front of the windshield - then the driver is fucked. I pretty much have an 8 foot hood with plenty of 'crumple' out there.

No, you don't.

You have a few centimeters between the radiator and the motor block and again a few between the motor and yourself.

That's it.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.

And you have to watch it till the end to hear that. All five and a half minutes. But it was interesting to watch.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.

I was thinking weedeater.  Wink

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
That's it.

And the engine block is very well secured to the frame, absorbing a ton of energy before it's transferred through a heavy-duty firewall to the driver/passenger.

I sticking with the truck on this one. I own one too.  Wink

Quoting 7474ever (Thread starter):

I can't give you any advice on the Smart, one way or the other. But go with a truck.  Wink
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
No, you don't.

Yes, I do . . .  biggrin 

And when that little Euro-Speck of a car gets hit, and after I roll over the top of it, perhaps damaging the skid plate covering my transmission and fuel cell, I'll send you a photo. Or when it rear ends me and they peel the thing from under my rear bumper where it is jammed in up to the windshield and all the driver of the Euro-Speck can see is a close up version of my license plate, we'll see who comes out of it in better shape.

Now should something hit me dead on head to head, there's a lot of engine in there to stop it. 7.6 liters is pretty damn big. What ever hits me may well get through the Moose Catcher, and plow right through the radiator and engine and transmission oil coolers but it's gonna stop shortly thereafter. Unless of course, it's one of these Euro-Speck cars, in which case, I'm sure I'll be able to put the tranny in 4-Low and back down off the top of it . . .

I've seen these Superduties after accidents. I've investigated accidents with these Superduties. My trust in them is NOT unfounded.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Please drive carefully!

Thanks!  thumbsup  I shall endeavor to do so . . . .

Seriously though: My only concern is being top heavy. The truck does sit fairly high off the ground - eighteen inches to the bottom of the frame rail - and a sudden jerk of the wheel might prove complicating.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar.

And I wouldn't own either one . . . they're nothing but wannabes, along with the Mercedes, Toyota, BMW and all the other psuedo SUVs out there.

 eyepopping  That's surprising to read. I just went here . . .

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/Index2.cfm

. . . since the Toyota Sequoia was the first SUV that came to my mind (I picked out the 2004 model at random). Five-star rating for the front tests it shows here. The Ford Explorer seemed to score pretty well, too, on the same year model (for the frontal crash - the side crash didn't look too good with that safety concern highlighted).

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/Index2.cfm

I wouldn't buy any of those either since it would be impractical for me (my Tacoma gets me around fine for hauling, etc.). But I wouldn't have much dread about hitting another similiar-sized (or smaller) vehicle in one of those.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
I've seen these Superduties after accidents. I've investigated accidents with these Superduties. My trust in them is NOT unfounded.

What about against a Volvo and the cages that (from what I know) extend around the entire passenger cabin?

Those little Smarts, Thinks and whatever look like little more than window dressing. In fact, they look like they're made for some caked-up, drugged-up actress wearing sunglasses and a little pooch in one arm. I haven't been to an auto show in several years, and now I'm not sure I've been missing so much.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
SMART or THINK




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Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Diamond (Reply 26):

 rotfl 

Guess it won't be in BADFTs.net will it . . .

 rotfl 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 23):
And the engine block is very well secured to the frame, absorbing a ton of energy before it's transferred through a heavy-duty firewall to the driver/passenger.

That doesn't help a lot - the rigid motor block defeats most of the theoretical crumple zone you would have had, and the harder the firewall is, the heavier the shock transmitted through it to your body. That was my point.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 25):
Those little Smarts, Thinks and whatever look like little more than window dressing. In fact, they look like they're made for some caked-up, drugged-up actress wearing sunglasses and a little pooch in one arm. I haven't been to an auto show in several years, and now I'm not sure I've been missing so much.

They're not exactly plentiful over here either, but you can see quite a few around in european cities. The annoyance of trying to find a sufficient parking space either in the city or near your place and the pointlessness of lugging around two tons of metal when one would suffice in the city are reason enough for quite a few people to get a Smart.

I personally won't go quite as far down (and most of my driving is medium range autobahn), so it's Golf-class for me.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:22 pm

My next car will be a Smart....My Dad has one and it is awsome.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
That doesn't help a lot - the rigid motor block defeats most of the theoretical crumple zone you would have had, and the harder the firewall is, the heavier the shock transmitted through it to your body. That was my point.

I guess that's perspective Klaus. Ever see what happens to a - lets say Chevrolet Pickup - that hits one of these Superduties??? That engine, and it's uiber-stationary construction - will stop. Ohh, there will be a crumple zone alright . . . it'll be the other vehicle.

Sure the body of the driver is gonna get a hit, but survive. That's what it's all about.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
They're not exactly plentiful over here either, but you can see quite a few around in european cities.


There are a lot of them in Paris, Rome, Milan, Berlin, Munich etc.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 25):
What about against a Volvo and the cages that (from what I know) extend around the entire passenger cabin?

A close friend of mine was driving in Denmark on the motorway in a Volvo when he had to come to a sudden halt - the massive articulated lorry behind him didn't. They got shunted big time and the car was completely written off unsurprisingly (as any car, SUV or pickup would have been). He and his friend stepped out very shaken but unharmed. Police view was that in many other cars they wouldn't have made it.

But then of course they have moose in Sweden as a road hazard too  Wink

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Quite true. I would like to see the Smart or the other 'Speck' car manage in six, ten, fifteen inches of snow . . . or on ice . . . on a combination of the above . . . just not suitable for Alaska.

True enough ANC in the case of these particular smallest cars, but actually a good small front wheel drive car like we have plenty of in Europe can be great in snow - unlike a rear-drive of course.

While not up to Alaskan extremes, I lived and worked in Hungary during the worst winter in lving memory - temperatures dropped to near -30C and heavy heavy snow. I had an old Ford Escort (different to the US model) back then - front wheel drive, skinny tyres (perfect) and the weight on the driving wheels. Absolutely brilliant in the heavy snow. Seemed to be able to go anywhere -even up in the mountains. not as good as a good 4x4 of course, but really not that bad.

These days I'm somewhat better off and drive an Audi instead. It too is a front wheel drive compact but now its rubbish in the snow thanks to fat, fat tyres and lowered suspension and ground clearance in sports spec. Having said that, we have maybe 3 days of snow a year in these parts if we're lucky  Smile
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 32):
but actually a good small front wheel drive car like we have plenty of in Europe can be great in snow -

If I had a car I'd want a FWD for the snow. Many car companies sell what would normally be a 2WD only car as a 4WD in Alaska. Ford used to do it with the Tempo, Chevy still does - even sells their mini-vans as All Wheel Drive. It essential up here.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
I guess that's perspective Klaus. Ever see what happens to a - lets say Chevrolet Pickup - that hits one of these Superduties??? That engine, and it's uiber-stationary construction - will stop. Ohh, there will be a crumple zone alright . . . it'll be the other vehicle.

Simply killing the other driver is not a viable option when talking about choice of vehicle and if there are better options around.

I'm sure Alaska is special in some respects, but basic physics and physiology still aren't.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
Simply killing the other driver is not a viable option when talking about choice of vehicle and if there are better options around.

I wouldn't wish death on anyone . . . but bottom line . . . if it's me or the other guy . . . you know where my loyalties lie . . .

I'll keep the BAFDT . . . thanks.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
If I had a car I'd want a FWD for the snow. Many car companies sell what would normally be a 2WD only car as a 4WD in Alaska. Ford used to do it with the Tempo, Chevy still does - even sells their mini-vans as All Wheel Drive. It essential up here.

Its the same in Europe. Often you'l lfind a lot of 4WD models of regular cars on sale that simply aren't available in the UK - not that we need them though.

But the problem now of course is as cars get more complex and ironically as greater safety measures are introduced our FWD cars are getting heavier and heavier with fatter tyres and far less suited to heavy snow driving.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
wouldn't wish death on anyone . . . but bottom line . . . if it's me or the other guy . . . you know where my loyalties lie . . .

I'll keep the BAFDT . . . thanks.

and thats why its good we drive different things on either side of the Atlantic. The chances of me being hit by a BAFDT are somewhat slim as they are very rare and its more likely to be something similar in size. with that in mind I for one would rather see more people (other than me) drive Smarts  Wink

Of course over there you ARE more likely to be hit by another BAFDT......  Wink
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
if it's me or the other guy

That "if" is exactly the point. It's not a given.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
That "if" is exactly the point. It's not a given.

What I have been pointing out to you, and have apparently, thus far, been unsuccessful in doing, is that I prefer the beast rather than the roller skate. If the reason isn't obviously - blindingly so - comparing my beast to the pregnant roller skates in some of these folders, then I'm obviously wasting my time.

Perhaps you ought to call MythBusters and have them crash one of these "things" referred to as cars into a truck - like mine - head on, and lets see who fares better . . .

Quoting Cornish (Reply 36):
and thats why its good we drive different things on either side of the Atlantic. The chances of me being hit by a BAFDT are somewhat slim as they are very rare and its more likely to be something similar in size. with that in mind I for one would rather see more people (other than me) drive Smarts  wink 

Of course over there you ARE more likely to be hit by another BAFDT......  wink 

Hell I've been saying that . . . it's simply been lost on some people . . . you know the ones with the "more solid cranial unit".
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 38):
Perhaps you ought to call MythBusters and have them crash one of these "things" referred to as cars into a truck - like mine - head on, and lets see who fares better . . .

Don't worry ANC, the "theorists" will always know better than the pavement scrapers.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 38):
What I have been pointing out to you, and have apparently, thus far, been unsuccessful in doing, is that I prefer the beast rather than the roller skate.

Cornish  rotfl  at the image of ANC on rollerskates Big grin



Incidentally I got a lift in my neighbour's smart to the station this morning  Smile
Feels fine around local streets - but i wouldn't want to go a long distance in it. Not that its designed for it anyway.



But "perception" is so important. A car may not be particularly safe, but if the person in it feels safe then good for them - providing they don't drive like an asshole of course. Size isn't always the case when it comes to perception. My car is incredible in horrid wet, windy conditions on a busy fast moving mnotorway (the sort of crap conditions we get in the UK frequently). It feels so well planted on the road, solid, safe and gripos fantastically well. Has all the electronic trickery to help out in an emergency situation. So in those conditions I wouldn't want to be in anything else - it feels as comfortable and secure as it is possible to be.

I've also seen my type of car crash-tested at my old place of work. The crumple zones did their job and the cabin stayed in perfect shape. Here's the official picture.

http://www.euroncap.com/downloads/media/phase_13/audi_a3_2003.jpg

However it highlights some of the problems with listening too much to safety tests. It gets marked down because it doesn't have a warning buzzer to tell you seatbelts aren't being worn. So a car that may have this feature could actually be placed slightly higher, despite being less safe in an actual accident.

Mind you actually watching a crash test is truly eye opening and shocking.

So you can all keep your BAFTs and Smarts, I'm having a real car  Wink

with some style and sophistication to boot - as one would expect from me Big grin

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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 18):
I'd rather have a Kinder Surprise!

Kids today  Yeah sure - would you rather have a nasty cheap plastic toy or a tablespoon full of refined sugar, stabilizers, permitted food colouring and starch ? Mmmmmmm refinedsugarstabilizerspermittedfoodcolouringandstarchalicioussss !!

Quoting Cornish (Reply 32):
But then of course they have moose in Sweden as a road hazard too

(My sister vos bitten by a moose vonce - pretty nasty !)  biggrin 

Quoting Cornish (Reply 40):
with some style and sophistication to boot - as one would expect from me

What is that, a Ford Focus ?
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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 38):
What I have been pointing out to you, and have apparently, thus far, been unsuccessful in doing, is that I prefer the beast rather than the roller skate. If the reason isn't obviously - blindingly so - comparing my beast to the pregnant roller skates in some of these folders, then I'm obviously wasting my time.

And my point is that general traffic with proper cars (with modern safety equipment such as ESC) is safer for everybody than a large number of heavy trucks among the traffic.

As I said: Alaska certainly has different requirements than Germany does, and outdoor-oriented people have again different requirements than normal civilians do, but "I'm safer" is a rather dodgy argument for one of those tank-like fossils.

Oh, wait - I think I can see your attraction now...! Big grin
 
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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 41):
What is that, a Ford Focus ?

What it is, is not a Pooooojoe  Wink

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 41):
My sister vos bitten by a moose vonce - pretty nasty !)

I heard about that - she was carving her initials on the side of a moose I understand.... Big grin
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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:29 pm

Not sure what all the arguement is about this. The Smart is a city car, the Truck is a redneck, moosekilling, big-country vehicle.

I would much rather have a big truck out in the bondu than a Smart, but for getting around town, especially in Europe, the Smart is far better. Especially with the dearth of parking spaces there are these days.

Quite a pointless comparision really.

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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 44):
Quite a pointless comparision really.

Spoilsport! Big grin
 
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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 45):
Spoilsport!

Ah, so, you are deliberately and maliciously winding old ANC up? Thats OK then, carry on as if you were normal!! Big grin

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RE: Smart - Opinions

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:46 pm

I really view the Smart as a vehicle for (in the US) the gated retirement community or for running up to the little town square to pick up a forgotten bottle of milk rather than everyday competition on the highways.

Although I'm quite sure they are a very feasible form of transportation in areas (read: non-North American markets) where "smallness" and economy are desireable, I don't think that these attributes are saleable in profitable quantity over here, witness many of the previous comments in this and other related threads.

Probably perfect for Key West or Lady Lake, FL but not so good even on the backroads here in the hills of TN. Regards...jack
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