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Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:43 am

Bolivia's socialist President Evo Morales (who considers Chavez his mentor) announced that Venezuela will drop its UN Security Council bid and will sponsor Bolivia instead.

We'll have to wait until Wednesday to see if this turns out to be true. This will confirm the huge diplomatic loss of Chavez at the United Nations. He has also suffered hard blows during 2006:

- Peru's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.
- Mexico's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.
- Ecuador presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez is trailing in polls.

SOURCE:
http://www.yahoo.com/s/421427

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:44 am

Luis, te invito a una cerveza para celebrar! Viva Ecuador.

Most of my family in Ecuador dislikes Chavez and think he is a dork.

Good to see Chavez loosing his shine.
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:45 pm

Wow, that is going to be something definately worth seeing! Though IMHO Bolivia will have much less support than Venezuela did, as the political weigh of the latter is definately more important respecting Latin America.

Also with this view, Venezuela is more important than Guatemala. But we all know all the interests involved in this.
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 2):
Also with this view, Venezuela is more important than Guatemala

It depends of the point of view, I think every single Country in the World must be treated with respect.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Bolivia's socialist President Evo Morales (who considers Chavez his mentor) announced that Venezuela will drop its UN Security Council bid and will sponsor Bolivia instead.

Sorry for my friends and brothers of Venezuela but I now really want Guatemala to win.
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
- Peru's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.

Although the candidate that won the race would have made Chavez very proud when he flushed Peru down the toilet the first time he was president Silly.
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 2):
Venezuela is more important than Guatemala.

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Just kidding...  Silly

The thing is, people, I seem to recall that Venezuela would withdraw only if Guatemala withdrew from the bid. So, I may be mistaken (and I hope I am!), but doesn't this mean that Bolivia would be the only candidate now?

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 5):
but doesn't this mean that Bolivia would be the only candidate now?

Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting JOSEMEX (Reply 6):
Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:24 am

Notice now that as oil prices have cooled off so has Chavez. How does he plan to pay for those Russian fighter jets? (among other things)
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 8):
Notice now that as oil prices have cooled off so has Chavez.

Those bastards are angry about the lower prices. Can you imagine how many financial commitments they made assuming a higher price for oil?

Opec set to defend $60 global minimum

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/a091ff34-5f3a-11db-a011-0000779e2340.html
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):
Can you imagine how many financial commitments they made assuming a higher price for oil?

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people  Silly
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Peru's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.

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Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Mexico's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.

Even though López Obrador still insits on the victory being his, in the end, he should just throw the towel, be a fair loser and end this chapter. His efforts against Calderón, who won fair and square, are simply useless.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Ecuador presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez is trailing in polls.

I hope this will translate into a total loss for the Chávez backed candidate and another victory of common sense.

I read in La República today that nothing is definitive regarding Venezuela handing the candidacy over to Bolivia. However, I read that Costa Rica has been mentioned as another possible consensus candidate, but I doubt that idea will live for long. Good luck for Guatemala in their bid for a Security Council seat!

Slightly OT: This november, Nicaragua will also hold general elections. Does anyone know if the Sandinistas, especially their presidential candidate Daniel Ortega, are also backed by Chávez?
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Bolivia's socialist President Evo Morales

 rotfl  I'd call him clueless President

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
- Peru's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.

Yeah, but not because of Chavez. Peruvian people knew what to choose. Even Lourdes Flores came in 3rd.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
- Mexico's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.

Not according to MALO. He's still dreaming he'll win!  rotfl 

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
- Ecuador presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez is trailing in polls.

That remains to be seen. They said the same in the first electoral 'round'. The leftist candidate got much closer to Noboa than expected.

Quoting JOSEMEX (Reply 6):
Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.

Totally agree on that one. I'm sorry to say, Bolivia is and will be Venezuela's (Chavez) puppet.

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 2):
Though IMHO Bolivia will have much less support than Venezuela did, as the political weigh of the latter is definately more important respecting Latin America.

Don't count on that, A. Mercosur will continue to vote as a block. So, Brasil, Argentina, Venezuela, Paraguay and POSSIBLY, Uruguay.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Although the candidate that won the race would have made Chavez very proud when he flushed Peru down the toilet the first time he was president Silly

LOL, exactly my thoughts.  Silly

There's one thing that remains to be seen, that is, how much support will Guatemala get. There's a lot of support from the North, but the South seems VERY reluctant to vote for her.

I sincerely hope Chavez goes away.

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if the Sandinistas, especially their presidential candidate Daniel Ortega, are also backed by Chávez?

Wouldn't be surprised if they are...

Earlier this year, Guatemala's president Oscar Berger expressed his concern about Chavez's influence in the Central American region, namely in El Salvador and Nicaragua, where the left has a strong presence. According to him (and El Salvador's president Antonio Saca), Chavez had been gaining supporters among the leftist "alcaldías" in those countries by providing them with cheap fuel. El Loco Hugo issued his standard "lapdog of the U.S. imperialism" reply, but Berger didn't bother to make a greater deal out of it.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):
There's one thing that remains to be seen, that is, how much support will Guatemala get. There's a lot of support from the North, but the South seems VERY reluctant to vote for her.

I guess that's because our bid has been so strongly supported by the U.S., it may be more an anti-U.S. thing than an anti-Guatemala thing. There is a perception that we are the U.S. puppet (which we are NOT  mad  ).

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:25 am

I've heard so much about South America's natural appeal that I hope to visit it one day. The more I learn about the political stuff that goes on over there, the more I feel that the wonders of its geography and the beauty of its people are rather ill-served.

Let's hope that things resolve themselves before too long.
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):
The leftist candidate got much closer to Noboa than expected.

The way I read it was that the leftist candidate was ahead prior to the election.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
The more I learn about the political stuff that goes on over there, the more I feel that the wonders of its geography and the beauty of its people are rather ill-served.

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Maybe I am a little biased, but there are some gorgeous areas in LatAm. For fun, you should do the 30 min. GYE-UIO flight, from sea level to 9000 ft. If you get really lucky and a clear day, you'll see several snow capped volcanos during the flight.
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 1):
Luis, te invito a una cerveza para celebrar! Viva Ecuador.

Seguro, Andres! Una corona te parece bien?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 1):
Most of my family in Ecuador dislikes Chavez and think he is a dork.

 Smile

Quoting Bongo (Reply 3):
Sorry for my friends and brothers of Venezuela but I now really want Guatemala to win.

No problem Bongo, we all want Guatemala to win. This is a Guatemala vs. Chavez thing. It's shame that those Chavistas are using my country's name in the UN. They don't represent my country.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):

Although the candidate that won the race would have made Chavez very proud when he flushed Peru down the toilet the first time he was president

Indeed but as we say here "Mejor malo conocido que bueno por conocer" (It's better a bad guy we already know than a "good" one who is unknown)

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 5):
I seem to recall that Venezuela would withdraw only if Guatemala withdrew from the bid. So, I may be mistaken (and I hope I am!),

Correct.

Quoting JOSEMEX (Reply 6):
Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.

That's correct.

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 8):
How does he plan to pay for those Russian fighter jets?

As a developing country, you can always go to the IMF or issue debt bonds  Smile

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):

Those bastards are angry about the lower prices

Fidel Castro is the angriest guy right now. He will get less cash from his re-exports of Venezuelan oil.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):
Yeah, but not because of Chavez. Peruvian people knew what to choose.

Gastón, Ollanta Humalá was leading polls before he met with Chavez in Caracas and Hugo announced his support. After the Caracas meet he started to lose popularity and he even acknowledged in a post-election interview that his relationship with Chavez was the main cause of his defeat.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):
The leftist candidate got much closer to Noboa than expected.

He was leading the polls actually.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):
I'm sorry to say, Bolivia is and will be Venezuela's (Chavez) puppet.

We have annexed a new state  Smile thanks to almighty Hugo!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):
Don't count on that, A. Mercosur will continue to vote as a block. So, Brasil, Argentina, Venezuela, Paraguay and POSSIBLY, Uruguay.

MERCOSUR will vote as a block, even Uruguay. Politically talking, MERCOSUR is tightly integrated considering that everyone except Paraguay has a leftist goverment. In addition, everyone in MERCOSUR is happy to have a new 26 million people "import-happy" market to export to. Why would they vote for Guatemala?

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 15):
Maybe I am a little biased, but there are some gorgeous areas in LatAm. For fun, you should do the 30 min. GYE-UIO flight, from sea level to 9000 ft. If you get really lucky and a clear day, you'll see several snow capped volcanos during the flight.

Thank you for that tip!

From what I've gathered, I could spend weeks in South America and not see even one percent of its natural majesty.

There are so many wonderful areas of the Earth to see.

From Earth orbit and its proximity, it is clear beyond cavil that we live on just a single planet, sharing a history of aeons as sentient beings traveling through infinite space. I believe that if there is a God, then He has made us able to appreciate the vastness of space so that we can understand the importance of what we have here, on our own world.

Sometimes I wish that all world leaders could be required to hang a large mural of a view the Earth from 100,000 miles away in a place of prominence in their houses of governance in a place they are required to see as they enter their offices, because perhaps only then will they realize that what binds us together is often far greater than what set us apart.

[Edited 2006-10-27 18:52:35]
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 16):
MERCOSUR is tightly integrated considering that everyone except Paraguay has a leftist goverment.

But you have to point out that only Chavez has behaved as a true leftist. The rest have been more capitalistic in their economies than first assumed. I remember when the world was concerned about Lula in Brazil, and that is no longer and issue. The same with Chile. Here it was big news that the Socialists had won, when they had essentially stayed in power and are strong advocates of free markets.

Luis, you have to try a Pilsener from Ecuador.
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 16):
They don't represent my country.

= There is a difference between not representing your country and not representing you.

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 19):
There is a difference between not representing your country and not representing you.

They represent 12 million Cubans, not me nor many million of Venezuelan citizens. Do you see that difference?

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 16):
Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 8):
How does he plan to pay for those Russian fighter jets?

As a developing country, you can always go to the IMF

= The IMF does not give financing for the direct purchase of perceived or real infrastructure needs. It gives loans to ensure financial system stability.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 20):
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 19):
There is a difference between not representing your country and not representing you.

They represent 12 million Cubans, not me nor many million of Venezuelan citizens. Do you see that difference?

= I think the 12 million Cubans would be extrapolating a bit far based on perhaps political viewpoints. I agree - sure they might not represent you or "many million" of Venezuelan citizens ... but until the elite in Venezuela (or any other Latin country in the world for the matter/and most represented on this board) recognize that it does represent "many more millions", there will never be harmony and extremism on both sides will thrive.

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 21):
= I think the 12 million Cubans would be extrapolating a bit far based on perhaps political viewpoints. I agree - sure they might not represent you or "many million" of Venezuelan citizens ... but until the elite in Venezuela (or any other Latin country in the world for the matter/and most represented on this board) recognize that it does represent "many more millions", there will never be harmony and extremism on both sides will thrive.

Well, this certainly shows the polarized situation of politics in many countries.

I don't care if a polititian is capitalist or 'socialist' (well I do), or if he or she is leftist or right wing (well I do)... HOWEVER, if they are DIVIDERS first (by class, or race, etc), I would hope no one ever voted for them.

Unfortunately in many countries, such polititians (left and right) that poralize societies for their own benefit causing huge long-term damage, sometimes win.
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:45 am

Are these the diplomats that are supposed to represent me? Give me a break....

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 23):

 vomit 

Sounds so...communistic.

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 23):
Are these the diplomats that are supposed to represent me? Give me a break....

Luis,

We have an expression in PR that befits the current Venezuelan government:

Una coleccion de pendejos--(english: a colection of assholes)

My lovely mamacita, who is from your country, started tearing up the list time we went to visit my family in PR. When I asked her what was wrong, she said "....why could'nt Venezuela be like this?"
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 24):
Sounds so...communistic.

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Even though it would have sounded much more communist had they replaced the "citizen" with "comrade". I'm also particlarly stunned about having to put the Ché Guevara words "Hasta la victoria siempre" into the signature. It simply gives the feeling that they're de facto at war or have even become communists in an almost Soviet Union kind of way.
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
had they replaced the "citizen" with "comrade"

Government officials use comrade every time, I wonder why they didn't use it.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
It simply gives the feeling that they're de facto at war or have even become communists in an almost Soviet Union kind of way.

Their election slogans say: "Vencer o Morir!" or "Patria o Muerte!" I don't know which war they're fighting...

I just hope the first slogan means that when they lose the December presidential election, they'll all commit mass suicide  Smile

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 27):
they'll all commit mass suicide

Too bad El Loco Hugo never joined Heaven's Gate. He could have saved us a lot of trouble had he participated in the Heaven's Gate mass suicide.  Wink
 
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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 22):
I don't care if a polititian is capitalist or 'socialist' (well I do), or if he or she is leftist or right wing (well I do)... HOWEVER, if they are DIVIDERS first (by class, or race, etc), I would hope no one ever voted for them.

Unfortunately in many countries, such polititians (left and right) that poralize societies for their own benefit causing huge long-term damage, sometimes win.

= Very well said. And the sad part is that in many countries, the right is so obsessed with keeping personal wealth and vilifying the equally moronic demiGods (ala Chavez), they forget what got elected these people in the first instance. This lack of recognition is what drives me insane!

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:15 pm

An update on this issue...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ.../01/security.council.ap/index.html

Both Venezuela and Guatemala have agreed to step down from the race for a seat, and are now supporting Panama as a consensus candidate.

While I think it's good that they have managed to find a viable solution, and I'm glad that the consensus candidate was not one of Chavez's buddies, and I consider Panama will do a good job at the Security Council...

... yo quería que ganáramos  hissyfit 

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RE: Bolivia: Chavez Gives Up UN Sec Council Bid

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 30):
Both Venezuela and Guatemala have agreed to step down from the race for a seat, and are now supporting Panama as a consensus candidate.

While I think it's good that they have managed to find a viable solution, and I'm glad that the consensus candidate was not one of Chavez's buddies, and I consider Panama will do a good job at the Security Council...

Too bad about Guatemala not getting the seat. I didn't count on Panama as consensus candidate, but at least it's a viable solution.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 30):
yo quería que ganáramos

Vealo así: fue una derrota para Chávez y sus discípulos.  

Translation: It was a defeat for Chávez and his disciples.

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