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Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:18 pm

Have just heard a rumor that M Schumacher has been offered a cool $10 Million US to drive the two NASCAR road coarse races next year, Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

Anyone in Europe have a link, or any further info?
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Have just heard a rumor that M Schumacher has been offered a cool $10 Million US to drive the two NASCAR road coarse races next year, Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

There are also rumors of him driving the diesel Audi DTM car.

Schumie dodges questions about his future... would make excellent candidate in the current midterm elections in the US stirthepot 
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Have just heard a rumor that M Schumacher has been offered a cool $10 Million US to drive the two NASCAR road coarse races next year, Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

Wow.....if true, I may actually watch a NASCAR race
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
$10 Million US to drive the two NASCAR road coarse races

I don't know why this offer would be of any special interest to him.

1. He is a billionaire. He will not live long enough to spend the money his money is earning, even living lavishly.

2. It is slightly less than he was making at Ferrari. A reported $80 million divided by 18 two-hour (maximum) races is about $2.22 million per hour. Nascar races are longer. It is a pay cut.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
I don't know why this offer would be of any special interest to him.

To add to that, now that I think about it, Schumacher thinks oval races are dangerous, and he doesn't think he has anything to gain by running in them...
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:05 am

Arrogant European perpsective aside (and Schuey has that in spades), few if any of the NASCAR fans know of or care about him. The feeling is mutual, I am sure.

I remembers seeing this jerk interviewed on 60 Minutes. He said that the Indianapolis 500 did not interest him, that he thought the speeds at that race were too high, etc. If this turkey won't drive in the Indy 500, no way he will drive in the "Banquet Frozen Chicken" 300 at the Glen.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:17 am

but we are not talking ovals, we are talking road races.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 4):
Schumacher thinks oval races are dangerous

oops

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
two NASCAR road coarse races next year, Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

...not ovals. Left. Right. Uphill. Downhill. Short radius. Long sweepers. Much like F1.

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):
Indianapolis 500 did not interest him, that he thought the speeds at that race were too high, etc.

Well he has raced the USGP at Indianapolis and come back "up" the front straight off Indy turn 1 at speeds equal to Indy 500 speeds every time the race has been held there. I didn't hear that interview but I don't think he is allergic to high velocities.

"arrogant?" No argument. But then I seem to recall an American "legacy" racetrack brat taking 2nd place there on his rookie outing and telling the press "second place - that is NOTHING"

That is pretty arrogant too.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
M Schumacher has been offered a cool $10 Million US to drive the two NASCAR road

Yeah right....what a nonsense..there is absolutely NO reason for him to do it, the money is just change for this guy, should he opt to make more money by racedriving, a lot of people in Formula 1 are ready to pay much much more because he is fast (but Alonso is fast as well), BUT because he is able to get the act of a team together to be a winning combination, and that NOB ODY is able to do, at least not alive!!

And next season this will get quite obvious!!

NASCAR, what a nonsense, same goes for DTM, maybe a VIP race for charity, but definitely NOT a championship race.

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):
If this turkey won't drive in the Indy 500, no way he will drive in the "Banquet Frozen Chicken" 300 at the Glen.

Exactly..this turkey with his 90 GP wins, 7 World championships...what a pathetic excuse for a racedriver really...besides a European, therefore arrogant and a surrendering pinko-commie Salooncar-driver anyway Big grin Big grin Big grin
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):
few if any of the NASCAR fans know of or care about him. The feeling is mutual, I am sure.

I know of him, he's the reason I stopped watching F1, he was too damn good and it got boring. I always liked NASCAR better, I wouldn't mind him being in a few road races, but I'd still give the advantage to Boris Said and Ron Fellows over him, they're used to the stock cars.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):
Arrogant European perpsective aside (and Schuey has that in spades), few if any of the NASCAR fans know of or care about him. The feeling is mutual, I am sure.

I remembers seeing this jerk interviewed on 60 Minutes. He said that the Indianapolis 500 did not interest him, that he thought the speeds at that race were too high, etc. If this turkey won't drive in the Indy 500, no way he will drive in the "Banquet Frozen Chicken" 300 at the Glen.

You know what, for once in my life I agree with the sentiments of a US member in what is stated above.

Schumacher is now history. Any wonker that is offering that sort of money for two drives should stand in the middle of a major airports runway whilst A/C are landing/ taking off.

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Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 1):
There are also rumors of him driving the diesel Audi DTM car.

Actually, the DTM car is a regular petrol engine, there are rumors of him being offered drives in that as well as the turbodiesel R10 Le Mans car, but both are certainly nothing more than rumor.

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):
I remembers seeing this jerk interviewed on 60 Minutes. He said that the Indianapolis 500 did not interest him, that he thought the speeds at that race were too high, etc.

He's a jerk because he is not interested in the precious 500? I think his concerns about the safety in indy cars are valid, if the cars didn't cause so many injuries and even death over the last 8 years, then he would have no problem with the velocities they achieve. Hell, they hit higher speeds at Monza in the F1 cars than IRL does at most tracks. The man is just not interested in oval racing.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
but I'd still give the advantage to Boris Said and Ron Fellows over him, they're used to the stock cars.

As much as I respect Ron (not Boris, he has said some stupid things over the years), I think they would have an advantage over schumacher for maybe 4 laps, and then MS's sheer talent would take over and he'd be much faster than those old sportscar drivers. Let's be honest, they never made it in single seaters, they are nearing 50 (or is Ron already over?) and their reactions have slowed. Michael is a few days removed from one of the best comeback drives in Formula 1 for quite some time, and he is a spring chicken compared to many of the NASCAR drivers. In fact, I'd love to see him do Watkins or Sears just to stick it to the NASCAR boys, much as Montoya is going to do next season.

Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 10):
Michael who? Forget the German twat. If he was on fire I would not perspire on him. (Not quite the right word, but this is A.Net)

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Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 10):
Michael who?

Damon Who? (Graham Who?)
Stirling Who?
Jimmy Who?
Peter Who?
Mike Who?
Trevor Who?
Tony Who?

It just might be that MS has won more GP than all British drivers who ever sat in a car combined. I don't know, I don't care. Your pretense of superiority does you no credit.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:41 am

Well, he got an island in the world project in UAE for free, so he don´t need to earn money.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:44 am

Isn't Schumacher, despite his retirement, still contractually bound to Ferrari?
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:16 am

I doubt he would ever do a NASCAR race, even one of the 2 road course races they do. I wouldn't be surprised of him driving at the Sebring 12 hour, Daytona 24 hour and LeMans 24 hour races as part of a racing team. Several F1 drivers have gone into those races as part of winning teams. Don't forget too that for example Mario Andretti won the Daytona 500 NASCAR race in the early 1970's and later was a F1 champion and drove as part of winning LeMans teams. Good drivers can drive anything - so Schumacher can too.
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:36 am

Well wadda ya know.

And I got flamed for posting the suggestion that he could go roundie-round in his retirement thread.

NASCAR TV ratings are starting to drop. Having Michael, even as a ringer, adds a whole new spin and will certainly attract more international broadcast distributors. $$
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 4):
To add to that, now that I think about it, Schumacher thinks oval races are dangerous, and he doesn't think he has anything to gain by running in them...

Forgive me, but WHAT THE F&%K DO YOU THINK WE PAY YOU SO MUCH MONEY FOR?!?!?

If anyone is being paid a million or more bucks per race, it had better be dangerous. Nothing sickens me than drivers who complain that the cars go too fast. If you can't keep up, stand aside and let someone else have a go.

Formula 1 is supposed to be the technological peak of racing. The cars are supposed to be faster every year. The whole idea of the spectacle is watching guys race around the track at insane speeds, and the occasional fireball should be expected. The sheer fact that no driver has been killed in F1 since 1994 is proof in my mind that F1 has ceased to push the envelope. And if they are not pushing the envelope, I'm no longer watching.

As far as Schumi driving in NASCAR, I say go for it. Closed wheel racing is very different from open-wheel racing. You are up close and personal. Bumping into other cars is normal - few cars reach the finish line without body damage. That style of driving in open-wheelers would be suicidal.

Which means that a driver migrating from open to closed-wheel racing will have to force himself to be more agressive. That means pushing the envelope, going outside your comfort zone. THAT, I'll watch.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):
Mario Andretti won the Daytona 500 NASCAR race in the early 1970's and later was a F1 champion and drove as part of winning LeMans teams.

Just for clarification, Mario never managed to win Le Mans despite decades of attempts. He even returned in 2001 (IIRC) in a Panoz LMP, but they didn't come close to toppling the Audis.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Formula 1 is supposed to be the technological peak of racing. The cars are supposed to be faster every year. The whole idea of the spectacle is watching guys race around the track at insane speeds, and the occasional fireball should be expected. The sheer fact that no driver has been killed in F1 since 1994 is proof in my mind that F1 has ceased to push the envelope. And if they are not pushing the envelope, I'm no longer watching.

Complaining drivers may sicken you, but I'll tell you what sickens me. Someone who actually finds the lack of death in Formula One a turnoff. Maybe, just maybe, F1 has pushed the envelope in terms of safety at a faster pace than the car performance envelope? I see nothing wrong with that, as the terrible days of the 1970s when several drivers died every season in preventable circumstances are not something to be revered. The cars may have been cool, the tracks awe inspiring, but that sort of constant threat of death when it could so easily be prevented is totally unacceptable today to fans, drivers, sponsors, hell, everyone except for sick people like you. There is a reason Jackie Stewart was such a vocal advocate of driver safety and retired before his time following his teammate's death, because anyone who actually experienced the "spectacle" you seem to desire was deeply disturbed by it.

Nascar and Indy (IRL, CART) cars have had deaths in recent years (Dale Earnhardt sr. Tony Renna, Greg Moore, ect.), but that certainly does not mean that they are pushing the envelope, no one argues that NASCAR cars are advanced in any way, they are just way behind the times in terms of safety. I'll give the IRL credit, the most recent chassis designs have been far safer than their earlier machines, and even NASCAR has made some changes such as mandatory HANS devices. For me, F1 is not about building the absolute fastest car to get around a track, risks be damned. Go watch Can Am tapes from the early 70s if you are after that. F1 is about building cars that achieve amazing performance within a given set of rules formulated to preserve driver safety, and I enjoy watching each team's solution to the dilema immensely.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 18):
Complaining drivers may sicken you, but I'll tell you what sickens me. Someone who actually finds the lack of death in Formula One a turnoff. Maybe, just maybe, F1 has pushed the envelope in terms of safety at a faster pace than the car performance envelope? I see nothing wrong with that, as the terrible days of the 1970s when several drivers died every season in preventable circumstances are not something to be revered. The cars may have been cool, the tracks awe inspiring, but that sort of constant threat of death when it could so easily be prevented is totally unacceptable today to fans, drivers, sponsors, hell, everyone except for sick people like you. There is a reason Jackie Stewart was such a vocal advocate of driver safety and retired before his time following his teammate's death, because anyone who actually experienced the "spectacle" you seem to desire was deeply disturbed by it.

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Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Cfalk

Beeeeeeeeeeeep Incorrect, The reason no body has died since 1994 (thank god its been that long) is becaues F1 cars now are built with a Safety cell, were everything around the cockpit will break away at a certain speed. This has been incorperated in numorous road cars also. 10-15 years ago Rosbergs crash at brazil would probably have killed someone, same with Alonsos last year at brazil. This cars still race at awesome speeds, At monza they reach 212 MPH. NAscar doesnt have this mainly because not nearly as much money goes into it as does F1. I believe this is what schumacher means when he says it's too dangerous.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Isn't Schumacher, despite his retirement, still contractually bound to Ferrari?

Yes, IIRC he's contract is there for 5 weeks.

Schumacher wont race in anything other than F1 simply because, he didnt leave F1 because of hatred or anything like that but simply to spend time with his family and friends, so your more likely to see him in F1 than nascar or anything like that.

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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 18):
Someone who actually finds the lack of death in Formula One a turnoff.

I was a huge Ayrton Senna fan, and was devastated at his death. I don't find it a turn-on, and a logical result when you are driving machines to the very limit of what it and the human body are capable of. Do you think that supersonic aircraft or spaceflight would have been possible if people were not willing to push the outside of the envelope? I'm not hoping for a fatality - but the lack of any such incidences shows that F1 has lost its edge.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 18):
Maybe, just maybe, F1 has pushed the envelope in terms of safety at a faster pace than the car performance envelope? I see nothing wrong with that, as the terrible days of the 1970s when several drivers died every season in preventable circumstances are not something to be revered.



the whole point of F1 is to drive fast. If I wanted a race that sacrifices speed for safety, I'll go to the local amusement park and check out the go-carts.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 18):
Nascar and Indy (IRL, CART) cars have had deaths in recent years (Dale Earnhardt sr. Tony Renna, Greg Moore, ect.), but that certainly does not mean that they are pushing the envelope, no one argues that NASCAR cars are advanced in any way,

NASCAR suffered from the other extreme. Not using full helmets for instance. My point is that there should be a middle ground between recklessness and a studied pushing back the bounderies.

And NASCAR was never meant to be the ultimate racing series, as is F1. NASCAR still use carburetors, and generally use pretty antiquated technology. What makes it fun to watch is that they stay close, racing wheel-to-wheel the whole race. The only time you get that excitement in F1 is the first turn.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
the whole point of F1 is to drive fast. If I wanted a race that sacrifices speed for safety, I'll go to the local amusement park and check out the go-carts.

Well, maybe you've never seen F1 cars in person, but I can assure you- they are about as fast as you can imagine a car travelling around a track, and there is not another racing series anywhere in the world that achieves the sort of laptimes F1 cars do. The sacrifices they have made in terms of speed for the stellar safety record today is certainly worth it, and since Ratzenberger and Senna's death at Imola in '94, the cars are many seconds a lap faster and yet also far, far safer.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
And NASCAR was never meant to be the ultimate racing series, as is F1. NASCAR still use carburetors, and generally use pretty antiquated technology. What makes it fun to watch is that they stay close, racing wheel-to-wheel the whole race. The only time you get that excitement in F1 is the first turn.

To each his own, but IMO we saw some truly exciting races in F1 this year- Schumacher's drive this past weekend, Hungary, Turkey, ect.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 12):
It just might be that MS has won more GP than all British drivers who ever sat in a car combined

Just for posterity:

Name - Wins (driver titles)

Michael Schumacher - 91 (7)

Nigel Mansell (England) - 31 (1)
Jackie Stewart (Scotland) - 27 (3)
Jim Clark (Scotland) - 25 (2)
Damon Hill (England) - 22 (1)
Stirling Moss (England) - 16
Graham Hill (England) - 14 (2)
David Coulthard (Scotland) - 13
James Hunt (England) - 10 (1)
Tony Brooks (England) - 6
John Surtees (England) - 6 (1)
John Watson (Northern Ireland) - 5
Eddie Irvine (Northern Ireland) - 4
Mike Hawthorn (England) - 3 (1)
Peter Collins (England) - 3
Johnny Herbert (England) - 3
Innes Ireland (England) - 1
Peter Gethin (England) - 1
Jenson Button (England) - 1

That's 191 for all of the UK. 65 for Scotland, 117 for England, and 9 for Northern Ireland.

12 World titles for the UK. 5 for Scotland, 7 for England.

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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 23):
No, I don't have anything better to do

I was hoping to goad someone (a Brit, preferably) into doing that research. Your list will do nicely, thanks.

Hey! I was wrong.

Still, Schumi has a pretty impressive total. More than Jimmy Clark, Stirling Moss, Juan Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, and my personal favorites Innes Ireland and Carel deBeaufort and my all-time, hands-down favorite Masten Gregory combined.

edit: I loved Ireland' style. He seemed to enjoy what he did more than most. Admired deBeaufort for being within a couple seconds of the works cars in his own, private entry. Moss was just staggeringly talented and at least as competetive as anyone else you can name. We saw him make a huge blunder just a couple of years ago in the vintage races at Laguna Seca where he went down the inside at turn two and T-boned a museum piece racer ahead of him. And MS gets crucified for hitting Damon Hill in an ACTUAL RACE - for point?

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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:53 am

I don't think the rumours would be true, Schumi has nothing to gain by going to Watkins Glen or Sears Point for a race or two ... Schumacher himself says he enjoys going to the US for holidays just because nobody recognises him there, so the guy has no real public profile other than "German wanker who drives them Formula One cars".

Mind you, if we get to see him and JPM bang panels again for one more race, then all the better. Actually, them banging panels in NASCAR would be more fun to watch. Can just see them going into the final hairpin at Sears Point together and ...  Smile

Better idea: Why not have him race in IROC? (more like USROC, but hey ...)

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
The only time you get that excitement in F1 is the first turn.

To each their own ... F1 has the ability to throw up magnificent races you'll remember forever every now and again. Can't say that about the NASCAR races I've watched, spectacular instant gratification yes, memories to treasure, no.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):
I was hoping to goad someone (a Brit, preferably) into doing that research. Your list will do nicely, thanks.

My sister is an England resident, between London proper and LHR... partial credit?

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):
More than Jimmy Clark, Stirling Moss, Juan Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, and my personal favorites Innes Ireland and Carel deBeaufort and my all-time, hands-down favorite Masten Gregory combined.

I think win percentage is more telling, because there's a lot more races now.

Oh, what the hell Big grin (drivers with 10 or more wins)

Driver Wins/Starts Pct.

Juan Manuel Fangio 24/51 47.06%
Alberto Ascari 13/32 40.63%
Michael Schumacher 91/248 36.69%
Jim Clark 25/72 34.72%
Jackie Stewart 27/99 27.27%
Alain Prost 51/199 25.63%
Ayrton Senna 41/161 25.47%
Stirling Moss 16/66 24.24%
Damon Hill 22/115 19.13%
Fernando Alonso 15/86 17.44%
Nigel Mansell 31/187 16.58%
Niki Lauda 25/171 14.62%
Mika Hakkinen 20/161 12.42%
Nelson Piquet 23/204 11.27%
Jack Brabham 14/126 11.11%
James Hunt 10/92 10.87%
Alan Jones 12/116 10.34%
Emerson Fittipaldi 14/144 9.72%
Mario Andretti 12/128 9.38%
Jody Scheckter 10/111 9.01%
Carlos Reutemann 12/146 8.22%
Ronnie Peterson 10/123 8.13%
Graham Hill 14/176 7.95%
Jacques Villeneuve 11/163 6.75%
David Coulthard 13/211 6.16%
Gerhard Berger 10/210 4.76%


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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 11):
As much as I respect Ron (not Boris, he has said some stupid things over the years), I think they would have an advantage over schumacher for maybe 4 laps, and then MS's sheer talent would take over and he'd be much faster than those old sportscar drivers. Let's be honest, they never made it in single seaters, they are nearing 50 (or is Ron already over?) and their reactions have slowed. Michael is a few days removed from one of the best comeback drives in Formula 1 for quite some time, and he is a spring chicken compared to many of the NASCAR drivers. In fact, I'd love to see him do Watkins or Sears just to stick it to the NASCAR boys, much as Montoya is going to do next season.

I don't see Schumacher doing well at all if he were to race one of NASCAR's road tracks. Said and Fellows are road course specialists, and have been dealing with stock cars for a long time. It's a completely different type of driving. I would put money on it that Schumacher would not crack the top 15 if he were to race Watkins. Montoya might have a good year, but I doubt it, again, he's too inexperienced at stock cars, he'll get better, but he'll be racing every weekend, Schumacher would step into the car for two weekends of the year, I hardly think Schumacher would fare well, but hey, who knows, maybe we'll find out who's right next year.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 27):
I don't see Schumacher doing well at all if he were to race one of NASCAR's road tracks. Said and Fellows are road course specialists, and have been dealing with stock cars for a long time. It's a completely different type of driving. I would put money on it that Schumacher would not crack the top 15 if he were to race Watkins. Montoya might have a good year, but I doubt it, again, he's too inexperienced at stock cars, he'll get better, but he'll be racing every weekend, Schumacher would step into the car for two weekends of the year, I hardly think Schumacher would fare well, but hey, who knows, maybe we'll find out who's right next year.

It would be an easy $10 mill. He has to pay for the go kart track on his slice of 'Antartica' in 'The World' development which hes been give by the Sheik of Dubai.
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 27):
I would put money on it that Schumacher would not crack the top 15 if he were to race Watkins.

Maybe not during the race, but he'll be up there in qualifying, being a road course specialist - but won't finish high in the race.

I remember when the Winston Cup (as it was then) field went over to Suzuka about 10 years ago for a demonstration event (that was back when NASCAR had Asian ambitions), and it was Aussie Jim Richards who stuck his Pontiac (which he campaigned in the now defunct Aussie NASCAR series) on the front row next to Mark Martin's Roush Ford ... sank without a trace in the race though.

And didn't JPM do a reasonable time with the Hendrick Chevy some years ago on the road course at Indy when he and Jeff Gordon did the DuPont swap thing? And anyway a good driver, never mind a great one, will always be able be on the pace quickly.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 24):
We saw him make a huge blunder just a couple of years ago in the vintage races at Laguna Seca where he went down the inside at turn two and T-boned a museum piece racer ahead of him. And MS gets crucified for hitting Damon Hill in an ACTUAL RACE - for point?

But there is a difference between a blunder and an intentional crash to win a championship.........
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Zarniwoop (Reply 30):
But there is a difference between a blunder and an intentional crash to win a championship.........

Oh if were talking about bluders, did anyone see Sebastian Bourdais move at the Gold Coast Indy on the weekend. Locked up miles away from the corner going in waaaay to hot, unnessecarily mind you, and collects Will Power (or was it Ryan Briscoe?). And this guy thinks he should ge a seat at Reanult simply because he is French.
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:20 am

At least he hasnt ruled out returning to motorsport at some point:

"Schumacher, meanwhile, who retired from Formula One after Sunday's Brazilian GP, has refused to rule out a return to racing at some point in the future.

"Why should I?" the 37-year-old German told www.autosport.com. "Niki Lauda went back to racing in F1, Mika Hakkinen races in DTM, but all this happened after time.

"I can't say what I will be doing in two or three years' time."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6087290.stm
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:14 pm

Both boring as piss these days. NASCAR with its childish circles, Watkins Glen notwithstanding, and F1 with its "whoever has the most money wins" policy. I watched F1 for 20 years and went to 4-5 races at the Jarama circuit in the old days (Andretti, Hunt, Piquet etc). When Schumacher came along and Ferrari just decided to buy the whole thing it was a travesty. Schumacher would just win race after race after race by 30 seconds or 1 minute, sometimes his team mates would even slow down to let him pass on the final lap. Really, F1 is quite possibly more useless than NASCAR. Want to see real drivers? Check out the World Rally Championships. Those nuts will outdirve any NASCAR or F1 driver on just about any "normal" road any day of the week.
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 31):
Oh if were talking about bluders, did anyone see Sebastian Bourdais move at the Gold Coast Indy on the weekend. Locked up miles away from the corner going in waaaay to hot, unnessecarily mind you, and collects Will Power (or was it Ryan Briscoe?). And this guy thinks he should ge a seat at Reanult simply because he is French.

It was Will Power...

The only thing that stunk more than Bourdais' driving was Paul Tracy's comments that the race was fixed:

From autosport.com:

Quote:
Paul Tracy has accused Champ Car officials of fixing the race at Surfers Paradise this weekend and costing him a victory.

The Forsythe driver was forced to let two drivers pass him in the closing stages of the race, and accused officials of trying to get Alex Tagliani's Team Australia car onto the podium down under.

Tracy was given a penalty for passing Mario Dominguez under yellow flags and had to give back the position, then had to give up another place after a failed passing attempt on the Mexican resulted in him cutting a chicane without gaining a place.

"I'm so pissed off with Champ Car and its officiating," said Tracy. "I feel that the second penalty was just a fix to get one of the Team Australia cars on the podium. It's so clear it's ridiculous.

"With Mario I was avoiding both of us crashing, and I have to drop back because of it. Basically, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't - if you make contact they will penalise you for that also."

Tracy had lost ground early in the race after he tangled with Will Power and cut a tyre, but a change of pit strategy had him back at the front in the closing stages.

"I can't even describe how upset I am," he said. "This was our race to win, the strategy worked beautifully and then they took it from us."

This is the same PT that speared Tagliani returning to the track after a spin in San Jose... PT needs to hang it up. He just can't cut it anymore.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 34):
This is the same PT that speared Tagliani returning to the track after a spin in San Jose... PT needs to hang it up. He just can't cut it anymore.

Champ Car = Formula 1 for idiots?
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:32 pm

The Iceman has left the circuit. Get over it! Jeez! He ain't no God! As a driver he was good. As a human being, he was definitely (IMO) a third rate tart. I would compare him to Stephen Hendry (snooker). When losing, they (both) would never give credit to the person that beat them. They would rather blather on the fact that they had a bad day. I think there is no such thing as sport these days. Money is all that matters. Sport? AWOS.  gnasher 
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 36):
The Iceman has left the circuit.

The Iceman was Hakkinen, or Raikkonen as he has been called a few times recently.

Schumacher was just a tool. (That sounds a bit American, no?)

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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 4):Schumacher thinks oval races are dangerous
oops

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):two NASCAR road coarse races next year, Sears Point and Watkins Glen.
...not ovals. Left. Right. Uphill. Downhill. Short radius. Long sweepers. Much like F1.

Fair enough. But even still, if MS wanted to win something in NASCAR, I think having the "title" of "pinch hitter" at the Glen or Sears Point (Infineon Raceway) wouldn't bode well with him. If he's going to do a 1 race deal, he'll probably have the "go big or go home" approach.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Forgive me, but WHAT THE F&%K DO YOU THINK WE PAY YOU SO MUCH MONEY FOR?!?!?

HOW MUCH WAS HE PAID IN F1!??!?!?!?!123221341242345231524534534225421^pi sarcastic  And again, what does he have to prove by racing a shortened F1 track in Upstate NY and a track near the California coast? Hell, stick MS in the Knoxville Nationals and I'll watch  thumbsup 

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 25):
Why not have him race in IROC?

He's not even racing in the Race of Champions in Paris this yr; you think he cares about IROC?

Quoting Wingman (Reply 33):
F1 with its "whoever has the most money wins" policy.

Tell that to Toyota!

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 29):
And didn't JPM do a reasonable time with the Hendrick Chevy some years ago on the road course at Indy when he and Jeff Gordon did the DuPont swap thing?

10 laps (or less) won't do you shit. I hear he got 3rd in his ACRA, debut. That true?

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 34):
This is the same PT that speared Tagliani returning to the track after a spin in San Jose... PT needs to hang it up. He just can't cut it anymore.

Not to mention his kamakazi move on Bourdais at Denver! OTOH, AJ won that race and who doesn't like it when the locals win  Silly... esp the Coloradans
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 36):
The Iceman has left the circuit. Get over it! Jeez! He ain't no God! As a driver he was good. As a human being, he was definitely (IMO) a third rate tart. I would compare him to Stephen Hendry (snooker). When losing, they (both) would never give credit to the person that beat them

That's not true, when Schumacher was beaten by people he respects, he gave them full credit. He and Hakkinen had a great mutual respect, and their battles from '98-'00 were always fair and MS gave full credit to Mika whenever he was beaten. Alonso, on the other hand, has never shown michael any respect (he goes on about how Michael is the worst sportsman in the history of F1) so he gets very little in return. Fair enough, I say. Also, Alonso and others often accuse their own team of lack of preparation or even sabotage, but Michael never had a negative word to say about Ferrari or even Bridgestone. Good team player. You're telling MS fans to get over him, but you are the one who comes out over and over bashing him, we're just saying that he is an amazing driver and it'd be interesting to see him in a NASCAR. Nothing wrong with that, just idle speculation and debate.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 38):
Tell that to Toyota!

 Silly  Silly  Silly

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 38):
I hear he got 3rd in his ACRA, debut. That true?

He did, came from the back of the pack and led a number of laps too.
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:13 am



So, it seems as though many people are faulting MS for one or a combination of three things:

  • Being very, very good at what he does
  • Accepting very high wages for consistently winning races
  • Acting arrogant or otherwise having a personality that people deem objectionable


MS cannot reasonably be faulted for either of the first two items. Otherwise, we'd all have to be faulted for being reasonably good at something, and accepting wages for applying those skills.

Nor, in my opinion, can he be faulted for accepting a stratospheric salary. It's a simple matter of supply and demand....a race team is willing to pay top dollar for consistent wins, and he's able to supply such performance.

As for number three on that list, well, it's not his job to be charming.

Should he turn such salaries down, and instead work for half his usual amount? Is Ferrari in any way breaking any rules or regulations by offering such pay for such performance?

The answer to both of those questions, unless someone can present evidence of wrongdoing on Ferrari's part, is no.



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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 37):
The Iceman was Hakkinen

I never remember him being called that. He was always nick named the Flying Finn
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 35):
Champ Car = Formula 1 for idiots?

No, just a couple of idiots in particular.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 38):
10 laps (or less) won't do you shit. I hear he got 3rd in his ACRA, debut. That true?

Correct. He was running there and moving forward when the race was cut short due to darkness (no lights at Talladega)
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:49 am

Of all my years of viewing F1, Michael Schumacher has provided the most thrills (and that includes the Prost-Senna years since I started watching F1 in 1985 when I was 10). The comebacks that he produced were from another planet.

As 2H4 put it, he's not here to be charming. Therefore I was and still am a hardcore Schumi fan.

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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
The whole idea of the spectacle is watching guys race around the track at insane speeds, and the occasional fireball should be expected. The sheer fact that no driver has been killed in F1 since 1994 is proof in my mind that F1 has ceased to push the envelope. And if they are not pushing the envelope, I'm no longer watching.

I assume that these are the word of someone that hasn't attend too many racer funerals. It puts the game in perspective.

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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 35):
Champ Car = Formula 1 for idiots?

I must say I like that description ...  Smile

It's certainly the series for Formula 1 wannabes/has beens.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 39):
That's not true, when Schumacher was beaten by people he respects, he gave them full credit. He and Hakkinen had a great mutual respect, and their battles from '98-'00 were always fair and MS gave full credit to Mika whenever he was beaten.

Yeah, but not enough respect not to run Mika off the road, anyone remember Spa 2000? That would be one big stack involving 3 cars if either of the 3 had been placed a few cm's different ...

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 39):
Alonso, on the other hand, has never shown michael any respect

I don't think that's true - Alonso does probably respect Michael as a driver, for his achievements etc - if he didn't he wouldn't say that world championships won during the Schumacher Era are more valuable than afterwards.

But that doesn't mean he'll move over for Michael or make anything easy for him. Schumacher is just another driver Alonso needed to beat to be world champion.
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 45):
Yeah, but not enough respect not to run Mika off the road, anyone remember Spa 2000? That would be one big stack involving 3 cars if either of the 3 had been placed a few cm's different ...

MS just blocked him. They were bothing trying to Lap Zonta and MS just used Zonta as a block. Mika simply went underneath the both of them and made the pass. It's a move that belongs in Formula 1 folklore.
 
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RE: Schumacher - 10Mil For 2 Nascar Races?

Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 41):
I never remember him being called that. He was always nick named the Flying Finn

He was called that fairly often by the British media, granted, Flying Finn was the more frequently used one.

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