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Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:36 pm

For those who think that I never criticize people on the right, this thread should alleviate that concern.

I recent found a rather ignorant column posted at WorldNetDaily.com, which I usually respect. In this column, the writer castigates supporters of gay marriage as "haters" of God.

Now, I'm not going to draw the parallels that liberals might by saying that this could be the same view regarding homosexuality as that of, for example, the Taliban.

However, while I think that the writer has the right to express his views, I think that the particular opinion in question plays into the hands of those who believe that there are no cogent arguments against gay marriage.

It is also, on the face of it, completely against common sense and, yes, hateful.

The writer should be aware that his ideas perpetuate the worst stereotypes of the right in this country and may well be misused in ways he did not foresee.

For the article in question, please see:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52633

[Edited 2006-10-27 16:43:27]
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting from the article:

"She will never know the security of a true man protecting her from the dragons of the world..."

Ah, what a lesbian needs is a REAL MAN to keep her safe.

"Likewise, a man who seeks his perverse kicks by depositing the seed of life in, shall we say, non-life-giving cavities, may know orgasm, but never complete union, as he uses anatomy in ways for which the Creator did not create it. "

LOL! Is he speaking from experience? I suspect he's deposited his head into his non-life-giving cavity.

What a nut case!
 
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:30 am

I wonder if this McCullough guy is serious. I mean, really! If he is, what is he, the right's version of Randi Rhodes?
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:08 am

AF, this guy thinks YOU are liberal, so that's no litmus test that you fail to critisize the right. This guy isn't "the right"-he's in another universe.

Was this thread more about this idiot, or away for you to try and assuage your own conscience in the face of constant criticism from those of us who think you're just a mouthpiece of the conservative movement?
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:24 am

Likewise, a man who seeks his perverse kicks by depositing the seed of life in, shall we say, non-life-giving cavities, may know orgasm, but never complete union, as he uses anatomy in ways for which the Creator did not create it.

Clearly this guy has never been given a blowjob.

Or maybe he thinks that some day his wife will vomit out a baby.

He looks like a total closeted 'mo. There are so many of those in DC working for God's own Party and its affiliates, that you don't even need gaydar to sense their presence. I wonder where Aerospacefan finds these freaks.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):

Clearly this guy has never been given a blowjob.

Doesn't that remind you of the quote:

'Never met a man with such a dire need of a blowjob' (Good morning, Vietnam)
 
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:36 am

I can definitely see where this writer is coming from.
 
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Was this thread more about this idiot, or away for you to try and assuage your own conscience in the face of constant criticism from those of us who think you're just a mouthpiece of the conservative movement?

Well, I would hope that none of you would truly think that of me, because while I happen to skew conservative in many areas, I believe myself to be less dependent than to rely upon ideology in determining matters of political import.

My inclinations have always been to be as good a man as I can be in the eyes of God, under my own comprehension of the requirements of morality and ethics, according to the ideals of our nation, and by the indications of good sense, and goodness knows that I am fallible in that. However, to fall under the sway of any ideology merely for the sake of it would seem wrong, and I have tried to avoid it.

What this McCullough fellow has written is simply an expression of unadulterated, juvenile emotion, blissfully unaware of the requirements of intelligence. Those who write for widespread public consumption should take care that their critical faculties, including such things as prudence and some semblance of reason, pass judgment upon same before inflicting their otherwise potentially harmful thoughts upon an unsuspecting readership.

Words have meaning. Words have power. Sometimes, the pen is mightier than the sword.

If I am conservative in some areas, it is because I respect the some of the ideals of conservatism, which must include some modicum of respect for my fellow human beings.

In all the important things that matter, McCullough's diatribe seems to fly in the face of conservatism, and it flies as well in the face of good sense. His words seem nothing more than verbal diarrhea, issuing forth from someone who obviously seems grossly repulsed by others who differ in other respects from them.

I believe that the phrase "gay marriage" is a contradiction in terms, and I think that the public has a right to demand that marriage be restricted to the union between one man and one woman. But McCullough's piece, above-noted, ill serves the cause upon which all conservatives can reasonably agree, and instead plays into the hands of those who see many of them as rabid haters, prejudiced without reason against those they are not.

I would not hesitate to point out his essay as an example of that which, in my opinion, conservatives should avoid in promoting their points of view.

[Edited 2006-10-27 18:50:43]
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
My inclinations have always been to be as good a man as I can be in the eyes of God

Forget about 'God'... be as good a man as you can in the eyes of everyone else... ie: family, friends... society in general.

That's the trick... appeasing 'God' does nothing for the people around you.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 8):
That's the trick... appeasing 'God' does nothing for the people around you.

With respect, that may be so, but the people around me may not be around me any longer when I am dead.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:59 am

No, but I believe Jesus asked that we respect our fellow man... that's kinda what I am getting at here...

That religious folk often tend to think that they way they speak and act and treat others is how 'God' would want them to conduct themselves... and hurt so many people in the process...

I think general kindness and compassion gets the brownie points with the 'higher ups', especially if that is what was asked...  Wink
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriag

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 10):
That religious folk often tend to think that they way they speak and act and treat others is how 'God' would want them to conduct themselves... and hurt so many people in the process...


I know what you mean, it's almost like "god" (I put it in inverted commas because nobody can actually prove this guy existed) is like a prehistoric Hitler, or Lenin. I remember reading a post by UAL747 when he came out to his family, and how they told him that they knew gay people and all of them had HIV. Sad really how people can be led down a path by a person that doesn't even exist...

EDIT: Bad spelling

[Edited 2006-10-27 20:15:58]
 
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
My inclinations have always been to be as good a man as I can be in the eyes of God,



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9):
With respect, that may be so, but the people around me may not be around me any longer when I am dead.

So you are basically kissing god's ass then? You are good in the eyes of god so you get into heaven.

Quoting A332 (Reply 10):
That religious folk often tend to think that they way they speak and act and treat others is how 'God' would want them to conduct themselves... and hurt so many people in the process...

Seriously. What's wrong with just being a good person for the sake of being a good person. Why do people feel they have to kiss god's ass in order to be a good person?
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:25 am

And as Joan Rivers commented when asked if she thought gay people should be able to get married....

"Hell yeah ! Why should only straight people go through the pain of divorce !!" rotfl 
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
I can definitely see where this writer is coming from.

Gee, I'm not surprised. Did Rush tell you to think that?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
Well, I would hope that none of you would truly think that of me, because while I happen to skew conservative in many areas

Skew? How about simply in the camp?  Smile

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 12):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9):
With respect, that may be so, but the people around me may not be around me any longer when I am dead.

So you are basically kissing god's ass then? You are good in the eyes of god so you get into heaven.

I must defend AF here, as a Christian. First of, whether you believe in him or not Darren, please write it as "God", with a capital, thank you.

Secondly, Christians who simply try to follow Jesus' teachings aren't kissing God's ass, as you so shamelessly put it. It's trying to live the life as Jesus taught us, and as Christians, we try to, imperfectly, follow, so that, yes, we can go to heaven.

You seem to have a problem with that, but that's your problem, my friend, not ours.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
You seem to have a problem with that, but that's your problem, my friend, not ours.

It becomes our problem when we live in a world where Christians who try to please God end up doing far more harm than good. Wars, intolerance, you name it. And it's not just Christianity, it's many religions. To me the preachings of Jesus are pretty clear. I wish people would stop trying to please God and start trying to manage the problems here, on Earth.

But now were are going into no-mans land and thus ends my argument. It's futile and leads to nowhere, so I am withdrawing from this conversation now.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 15):
It becomes our problem when we live in a world where Christians who try to please God end up doing far more harm than good.

Some of the greatest crimes in the world have been committed "in the name of God". That doesn't mean God approves of it.

But most people in the world, Darren, who are Christian, are simply trying to live good, decent lives, and trying to attain life after death that Jesus promised. So for you to lash out, because of the sins of the past, is misplaced, in my estimation.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
I can definitely see where this writer is coming from.

Mmm aint that kool-aid good...  Yeah sure

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
I believe that the phrase "gay marriage" is a contradiction in terms,

By definition, more would agree that yes a "happy" marraige is a contradiction of terms.

Here is the thing, this issue is not going away, you will not have a national amendment to the constitution on this issue. There is no going back to having homosexuals being in the closet as a part of society. They are going to choose the way they live, call it civil union or whatever. But two people regardless of thier gender, if they want to share an intimate relationship, build a family, and be otherwise responsible citizens, why should we deny them the normal benefits afforded to a heterosexual couple. Should a gay partner not be able to visit thier injured partner in the hospital ICU? Should they not be able to share thier health insurance benefits? Should they not be able to own a house together?
The people against this are no different than the racist idiots who supported segregation. It isnt about God, it isnt about protecting the "sanctity" of marraige, it is about Hating & fearing something they dont understand.
 
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 17):
By definition, more would agree that yes a "happy" marraige is a contradiction of terms.

There are millions of people who have been happily married who would disagree, I think.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 17):
They are going to choose the way they live, call it civil union or whatever.

I don't have any opinion regarding civil unions. I suppose it's just as good as not for a society to make a decision that civil unions are permissible, although I have my reservations. But marriage is a completely different topic.

What is missing from your analysis is the fact that society has a stake in marriage. It's not just the fate of two people that must be considered when it comes to the sanctification of that relationship by means of law; it's the stake in that relationship that society must have when laws pertaining to it are passed.
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RE: Ultra-Rightist Writer Bashes Gays Over Marriage

Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:26 am

He's just a hateful person. That's all. Sad thing, people agree with him.
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