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Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:10 am

This is a serious question.

Let me give you some background from a proud Papa. Jr. is almost 4 and I took him to his preschool. Apparently, there are at least two girls who follow him around and he prefers to play with girls. As an aside, he only plays with boy related toys, loves trains and airplanes. So the teacher is saying basically that he is a ladies man! Sniffle from a proud father...He even calls some of them 'cute girls'.

OK, so the girl is in ballet, and I was thinking that if he wants to and I put him in ballet classes, he is going to be hanging out with a bunch of girls, he might be the only boy they will get to meet, he gets to handle them in a good way, have confidence in being around girls, and to top it off, develop muscles.

What are your opinions?
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
he might be the only boy they will get to meet, he gets to handle them in a good way, have confidence in being around girls, and to top it off, develop muscles.



Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

Sounds like paradise! Big grin  Wink
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:20 am

Ask him. Seriously, see whether he wants to do it or not, give him the choice.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

It's a suggestion. He might get "ridiculed" for it later down the road, but in the end, it might be something rewarding. Plus ya never know...there could be hidden talent there that you had no idea about.

My first inclination is this -- see if dancing interests him in the slightest. If I were you I'd go out and buy the following DVD's/Video's --


Cats

Fosse

Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat starring Donny Osmond

The Nutcracker


These are three very dance, very music oriented stage productions that were recorded for DVD prosperity. If they hold his attention, especially Fosse or Cats, then I would say go for it. Also, why don't you encourage Juniorette to show Junior some of the moves and see how he takes to them.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 2):
Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.

Well, maybe. What are his classmates gonna tell him?

You hang out with a bunch of girls!
You get to touch girls!
What do you need those muscles for? (Show me a guy ballet dancer who doesnt look buffed, STLgph, what do you say about that?)

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):

It's a suggestion. He might get "ridiculed" for it later down the road, but in the end, it might be something rewarding. Plus ya never know...there could be hidden talent there that you had no idea about.

You are right. Plus, I have never met a woman who complains that her man dances too well.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
The Nutcracker

We will both be wearing our tuxedos for our yearly Nutcracker show, and he sat awake thru his first Nutcracker at 11 months old.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
Well, maybe. What are his classmates gonna tell him?

You hang out with a bunch of girls!
You get to touch girls!
What do you need those muscles for? (Show me a guy ballet dancer who doesnt look buffed, STLgph, what do you say about that?)

You are applying logic to the mind of elementary school kids. Everything you say is true and I still guarantee you that he'll be made fun of.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 6):

You are applying logic to the mind of elementary school kids

I know, but I first proposed this idea to a 12 year old. He laughed at me first, till I explained it a little better, and suddenly he got all quiet.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:39 am

How about, no Scott?
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:47 am

From a Latino to another: Consider the ethnic background my friend!

En otras palabras, ¿no crees que la idiosincracia tan machista o de plano homófoba del latino pudiera causarle conflictos despues?

I'm not justifying it, just pointing a fact.

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 9):
Consider the ethnic background my friend!

Considered and somewhat dismissed. The hispanic women we know, including my wife (from MEX), say go for it if he wants to. As for what the males might say, well, whatever.

To repeat and clarify some more. There is a long history from my mother's side of the males being interested in women from an early age, including the occassional 'let me put my hand in your rear, breast, etc.'

I am only suggesting this since he has long shown interest in women. But his really, really favorite thing in the world right now are train and train crashes.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:00 am

Sounds dangerous to me...... something kinda ooooh, might try and jump up his tutu!
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 7):
I know, but I first proposed this idea to a 12 year old. He laughed at me first, till I explained it a little better, and suddenly he got all quiet.

But it's not him that you got to convince. It's the classmates.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 11):
something kinda ooooh, might try and jump up his tutu!

Well, what would be wrong if the girls wanted to do that?
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
But it's not him that you got to convince. It's the classmates.

I dont have to convince many. From my understanding of kids, now that I am a parent, he is going to meet two types of boys: 1) those who understand that 'girls are not the enemy' 2) those who dont and will understand that in a few years.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 14):
I dont have to convince many. From my understanding of kids, now that I am a parent, he is going to meet two types of boys: 1) those who understand that 'girls are not the enemy' 2) those who dont and will understand that in a few years.

Dude if you've made up your mind, why did you post the thread? You ask a question, get answers and then try to argue with people giving you an "opinion."
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 6):
You are applying logic to the mind of elementary school kids. Everything you say is true and I still guarantee you that he'll be made fun of.

And if its not ballet, it'll be because he wore the wrong style of sneakers, or his dad drives a red car vs. a blue one, or because he likes the wrong cartoon. Kids are kids and they're going to tease each other unmercifully. The key is to teach the kid some self-confidence early so that it just doesn't matter. Its amazing how quickly the teasing stops when the ones doing it realize it doesn't get a rise out of their target.

I second STL's ideas. Ask him, show him some modern dance, and if he likes it, give it a shot. Dexterity, coordination, strength, self confidence are all part of what he'd learn.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 15):
Dude if you've made up your mind, why did you post the thread? You ask a question, get answers and then try to argue with people giving you an "opinion."

I a sorry if I sounded argumentative in a sense. You have certainly given me decent input, because I was asking the question to see if there is anything that I missed in my thinking. Your arguments were valid, otherwise I would not have responded to them. But ultimately, it will be his decision. The only thing I would say to him is that the opinion of his future classmates need not influence him too much.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 16):
And if its not ballet, it'll be because he wore the wrong style of sneakers, or his dad drives a red car vs. a blue one, or because he likes the wrong cartoon. Kids are kids and they're going to tease each other unmercifully. The key is to teach the kid some self-confidence early so that it just doesn't matter. Its amazing how quickly the teasing stops when the ones doing it realize it doesn't get a rise out of their target.

Thank you for a very revealing post. I had almost forgotten about that. To say the least, we are already dealing, not with bullying, but with my daughter caring too much about what her classmates think of her.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 2):
Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.



Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
He might get "ridiculed" for it later down the road,

This will undoubtedly haunt him for the majority of his adolescent life, and that is a guarantee.

In my opinion, just let him hang out with the girls, there's nothing wrong with that. The majority of my friends around that age were girls and it made for more confidence in junior high and high school.

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:01 am

If you're going to send him to dance classes, it'll be to develop muscules only, not so that he can hang around with girls. He's four.

But, with that said, go for it. Dance is great exercise, and if he's at an age when he can learn something very easily, especially if he's interested in it.

And if he gets really good at it later on, then the girls will come.  Smile

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 2):
Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.

So, if you're interested in something you shouldn't do it because of what classmates may do? OK...there's logic for you...I wanted to do something that would give me pleasure, keep me fit, teach me discipline but I didn't do it because my classmates would tease me.....umm,no.

I say go for it. If this is something that he may enjoy, let him do it. My daughter has been dancing for close to 16 years, starting from age 5 with ballet. It taught her discipline, coordination, balance, and a healthy respect for her body. On top of that, performing on stage gave her a lot of confidence. She had quite a few boys in her dance classes (ballet, jazz, tap,hip-hop and modern) and whenever anyone tried to tease them, their standard answer was "where else do you get to hang around with half-dressed girls at our age, and where are YOUR muscles?"
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
If you're going to send him to dance classes, it'll be to develop muscules only, not so that he can hang around with girls. He's four.

Ballet requires plenty of practice, so if this is the path to follow he would start a little earlier. Now, if we are talking about other type of dancing (Latin beats), that can certainly wait.

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
But, with that said, go for it. Dance is great exercise, and if he's at an age when he can learn something very easily, especially if he's interested in it.

We'll see were it goes. So far right now it seems that their cultural tastes are quite varied. There are certain classical music pieces that both enjoy, Latin music as well, and throw in some rock as well. Daughter already knows about Hendrix and Beethoven.

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
And if he gets really good at it later on, then the girls will come.

But the girls are already coming to him!!!  biggrin  I am trying to make certain that he develops well enough to have them still come to him when he gets older.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 21):
and whenever anyone tried to tease them, their standard answer was "where else do you get to hang around with half-dressed girls at our age, and where are YOUR muscles?"

Exactly my thinking! Did those comments shut the other boys up?
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 23):
Did those comments shut the other boys up?

Sure did, especially after they a) saw the girls anad b) saw the muscles!!
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting YWG (Reply 19):
This will undoubtedly haunt him for the majority of his adolescent life, and that is a guarantee.

well kids are kids. they'll make fun of you for anything. whether it be ballet, for having a lazy eye, or for having a whore of a mother. even if you're completely innocent, they'll still find something to make fun of you for.

not doing ballet because someone might make fun of him is a dumb, dumb, dumb reason.

oh, and when watching Fosse...learn the Hot Honey Rag. being able to do this routine *AND* nail the cartwheel at the end will definitely get you into second or third round at auditions. trust me on this.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):

We will both be wearing our tuxedos for our yearly Nutcracker show, and he sat awake thru his first Nutcracker at 11 months old.

I'm impressed, I've been about 7 times and never made it through one conscious. If he can sit through the Nutcracker at 11 months old, go for it, toss him into so ballet. I never did it personally, never had the interest, but my sister teaches ballet with a guy, he's really nice, not you're stereotypical male ballet dancer.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 26):
I'm impressed, I've been about 7 times and never made it through one conscious.

Personally, neither did I, till I started to play the piano. Since then, my music appreciation has gone wayyyyy up.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 25):
or for having a whore of a mother

What about being a whore of a g*y?
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 27):
What about being a whore of a g*y?

put those dancing talents to use. duh.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:34 pm

It can help a lot with balance and agility from what I've been told. If he wants to do it, more power to him! If he later wants to get into sports, ballet will help his footwork (baseball, basketball, football), his lateral movement (all 3 again), his hand-eye co-ordination, flexibility, durability, all of it. Gymnastics works too, but has increased physical pressure, depending on which part he does.

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
OK, so the girl is in ballet, and I was thinking that if he wants to and I put him in ballet classes, he is going to be hanging out with a bunch of girls, he might be the only boy they will get to meet, he gets to handle them in a good way, have confidence in being around girls, and to top it off, develop muscles.

What are your opinions?

I think there are probably other ways for him to meet girls and develop confidence.

That's just my reaction.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 30):
I think there are probably other ways for him to meet girls and develop confidence.

That's just my reaction.

So basically you're against it because "it's just not the ideal male thing to do."

That's pretty much prejudice and arrogance which is rather funny coming from your "constant search for perfection of the individuals" that you search for in your overboard postings.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 31):
That's pretty much prejudice and arrogance which is rather funny coming from your "constant search for perfection of the individuals" that you search for in your overboard postings.

I think that there is a male principle and a female principle -- a yin and yang, as it were. And yes, each is "pregnant" with the beginnings of the other and the whole, as I think the classic symbol of same conveys. But the antipodal nature of each is still there, because it is essential. The separation, as well as the syncretism, of each, is part of the whole.

In Western philosophical constructs, the opposition of two forces is a recurrent theme. We see it in Aristotle, who believed in their reconciliation, and we see it in Hegel, who believed in its supersession. We even see it in Kant, whose rationalism generates a version of antinomism in its respective specialized sense. I think that this mode of thinking is present for good reason.

The bottom line is that, as relevant to this topic, there is a diversity that is expressed sui generis from birth, in my view. Some individuals are strongly differentiated on the basis of their gender, and others are not. For those who are, there may be no influence upon them regardless of environment, but, for most, the chance is there that there is.

If Andes believes that his son is so strongly tied to his sense of self that association with ballet and the implications others have noted here will not affect his further upbringing, then I would say that he might have a good basis upon which to allow him to take ballet. But there is the risk of environmental effects, and I would hardly rule it out.

My reactions, thus intellectualized, do have a basis, and it's interesting that they do, since they were expressed initially without consideration of same.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

[Edited 2006-10-31 17:22:45]
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 30):
I think there are probably other ways for him to meet girls and develop confidence.

He has plenty of other ways to meet females and the confidence building part starts at home. But IMHO, ballet has a higher chance of good looking girls than other areas, plus most of these girls might not have that much of a chance to meet boys, due to their commitment to ballet.

I already asked him if he wants to do this and his response was 'yes'. You have to understand, Jr. has shown interest in girls, not in girl stuff. For anything else, including TV and toys, he is nothing but a complete boy. And that is the reason I was thinking of placing him in ballet, he has not shown interest in ballet, but the girls that are there.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 33):
I already asked him if he wants to do this and his response was 'yes'. You have to understand, Jr. has shown interest in girls, not in girl stuff. For anything else, including TV and toys, he is nothing but a complete boy. And that is the reason I was thinking of placing him in ballet, he has not shown interest in ballet, but the girls that are there.

Andes, as his proud papa, you're the best person to make the decision, and whatever you decide, I think you'll make the right one.  

[Edited 2006-10-31 19:35:58]
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 34):
proud papa

Believe me, when his preschool teachers tell you about his incipient 'ladies man' state, it brings tears of joy.  cloudnine 
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:12 am

That's great! Sounds like he's a chip off the ol' block.  Wink  Smile
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 36):
Sounds like he's a chip off the ol' block.

Well, not quite. I did mostly hang out with women. But my father had less experience with women than I did and I received no good pointers. My desire is to attempt for him to not make the errors I made during my youth, by giving him confidence about handling women. After all, is there anything harder in the world for a man than knowing how to deal with women? And if he can do that well, can anything stop him then?
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 32):

It is nice that you took the time to plagiarize a text book or a term paper to try to formulate some type of a response, which still comes across as nothing but blatant blowing smoke.

The touch of trying to name drop philosophers to solidify your prejudice thoughts, without any depth explaination of their respect to virtuous actions, syllogism, etc., was especially a good read.

Perhaps, if you really want to get philosphical, you should read up on John Rawls and the "veil of ignorance."
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:31 am

Cant you just buy him:

http://www.8ttb.com/_images/pics/pictures/mini-6%20-%20injik%20is%20a%20DDR%20junkie.JPG

And invite those girls over with their mommies.  Silly

P.S. Dude I dont think you should do it. This is worse than banning dodgeball in America....well maybe not but close to it.
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
P.S. Dude I dont think you should do it. This is worse than banning dodgeball in America....well maybe not but close to it.

why? because you think he'll get made fun of? did you ever get made fun of as a kid?

and the ignorance continues.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 38):
It is nice that you took the time to plagiarize a text book or a term paper to try to formulate some type of a response, which still comes across as nothing but blatant blowing smoke.

I will personally come to your house and vacuum your the floors of your house, STLGph -- with a Dustbuster -- if you prove your accusations of plagiarism.

On the other hand, if you fail to prove your accusations with a week, I shall ask for no more than a public apology.

Are you willing to back up your charges?

Let's not make reckless statements, shall we?

Just because you don't believe that an A.Netter can come up with thoughts that I have expressed is little reason for you to make such scurrilous charges.

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:02 am

You ramble here quite often enough in a writing style that is far different than anything you post when you try to be "intellectual." Add to that the fact that you've passed up multiple opportunities to interject your knowledge of philosophers previously as it is, you can just continue to flake.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:05 am

I grew up around ballet, it's basically a very very big part of my life because my dad is a famous ballet dancer. I traveled with him, went on tours, went to daily performances. It's a great art, and unfortunately many don't understand this. Many think ballet + men = gay. Not at all! It's a very hard, strenuous job, that needs many sacrifices to pursue.

My answer is:take him to ballet! Nothing wrong with that at all!

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 42):
You ramble here quite often enough in a writing style that is far different than anything you post when you try to be "intellectual." Add to that the fact that you've passed up multiple opportunities to interject your knowledge of philosophers previously as it is, you can just continue to flake.

Oh, please. And at every opportunity, I should show that I've been exposed to Lyotard's postmodernism, let alone Russell's atheism?

How many opportunities have you had, ST, to talk about Rawls since 2005, and how many times have you mentioned him?

I think that you've mentioned him precisely twice during that time, but I could be mistaken.

Should I also drop names such as Thomas Kuhn in matters of scientific theory? Or should I ask that readers consult Quine? Should I lay out a series of philosophical conundrums, or mention the accomplishments of Thales, or Democritus, or Aristophanes, at the drop of a hat?

How many times would I be able to do that, and avoid even more accusations of plagiarism by well-meaning souls such as yourself?

The truth is that I've always had a soft spot in my heart for philosophy, and I do view with bemusement, at times, the fact that so many people today think of the classics as so alien that only plagiarists could hope to use them as passages for the occasional rejoinder.

There is much pretense in the air, here as always, and like Diogenes, I raise my lamp for...

...but, then again, surely you know the story?

But you do make a reasonable point about my writing style.

I totally write the way I want, dude, and if that's not cool, then I guess it sucks, but whatever. Know what I'm sayin'?

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:15 am

Toss as many names out there as you want to, but at least be able to show that you have some understanding of the subject material. It's nice to use Aristotle as a basis and skip over Bentham when trying to make some type of correlation to the modern world that we live in today.
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 44):
The truth is that I've always had a soft spot in my heart for philosophy

I've developed a new philosophy... I only dread one day at a time. Big grin
 
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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 43):
I grew up around ballet, it's basically a very very big part of my life because my dad is a famous ballet dancer. I traveled with him, went on tours, went to daily performances. It's a great art, and unfortunately many don't understand this. Many think ballet + men = gay. Not at all! It's a very hard, strenuous job, that needs many sacrifices to pursue.

My answer is:take him to ballet! Nothing wrong with that at all!

Dude you're Russian...thats wrong as it is  Silly

Do you really want your son to end up on the ARTS channel.

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 45):
It's nice to use Aristotle as a basis and skip over Bentham when trying to make some type of correlation to the modern world that we live in today.

Right, and you drop Bentham's name in this conversation as if you've failed to read and understand Mill.

You do understand that act-utilitarianism is quite different from rule-utilitarianism? And that utilitarianism is a concept that pre-dates rationalism of the kind I mentioned?

And what does Bentham have to do with antinomy, anyway? He was the consummate pragmatist. I would have contradicted my own point to cite dear old Jeremy.

Or are you such a deconstructivist that you will take my words as simply psychological diagnoses of that which popular culture has imprinted upon my impressionable brain?

I leave it up to you, my friend. The ball is in your court.

 

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RE: Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
Apparently, there are at least two girls who follow him around and he prefers to play with girls. As an aside, he only plays with boy related toys, loves trains and airplanes. So the teacher is saying basically that he is a ladies man! Sniffle from a proud father...He even calls some of them 'cute girls'.

Hey! So did I and i turned up gay..
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