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Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:00 am

Released, due to "insufficient information evidence."

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/01/uk.terror/
 
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:04 am

Pathetic

Just Pathetic!!!!

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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ba

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:18 am

Er, only two have been released, not everyone that was arrested and charged.

25 were arrested.

17 have been charged, including these two.

These two have been released, due to lack of evidence. They were only charged with failing to disclose information about a third brother, if theres not enough evidence of that charge (and on the face of it it really is a 'get them on anything' charge) then release them).

15 people remain in custody on charges.

Details of 15 of the suspects that have been charged:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5272264.stm

[Edited 2006-11-01 19:20:08]
 
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
They were only charged with failing to disclose information about a third brother.

Exactly! There's absoloutely no proof that these people did anything wrong!

I'm no fan of terrorism, but sometimes I think the public in general should engage their brains before they open their mouths and let their stomach rumble.
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:26 am

So what should happen to somebody if not proven guilty? No proof, no punishment - that's how it works in a constitutional state.
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1):
Pathetic
Just Pathetic!!!!

What exactly is pathetic ? That the judiciary, after thorough investigation and checking now released two persons who are NOT guilty ?
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
15 people remain in custody on charges.
Details of 15 of the suspects that have been charged:

and some of these 15 in the end will get out of the matter, as in some cases the evidence will not be seen as conclusive in court. What counts is that the matter was detected and got investigated
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Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 3):
the public in general should engage their brains before they open their mouths and let their stomach rumble.

I expect that many "public" people will in the end be much disappointed by fairly minimal sentences handed out. To prove ideas and notions and intentions and to prove that these thoughts were criminal is difficult. Suppose it will be offences like smuggling of illegal material etc which will be the thing in the end.
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1):
Pathetic

Just Pathetic!!!!

Eh?
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:22 am

Those judges must have flipped their wigs.

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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Those judges must have flipped their wigs.

Exactly, this is ridiculous....


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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:47 am

Well I think that the entire liquid ban is a bit short sighted and just more scare tactics. When we do change our behavior like this, to change the entire system that has worked perfectly well for the last 30 years is fear mongering.
If these two guys have been deemed not to have evidence against them, then let em' go. But if they should be deemed guilty under a normal fair trial under the rights they are afforded...well then do what is allowed for punishment under the law.
 
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Those judges must have flipped their wigs.

Why ? Because they, after having done their investigations, finally released two innocent ones ?
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When the court procedures will be through, some of the 15 who are charged, will also be released and the sentences for most of the others will be relatively mild, and YOU for sure then will complain again. But judges have to work according to the law and NOT according to public emotions.
 
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
When the court procedures will be through, some of the 15 who are charged, will also be released and the sentences for most of the others will be relatively mild, and YOU for sure then will complain again. But judges have to work according to the law and NOT according to public emotions.

Very true! But, don't forget, public and media hysteria is the guiding force in this day and age and we can't have anyone who might remotely be involved getting away with it, now can we? Who cares about Judges and the rule of law, lets just adopt a "Hang first, ask questions after" approach. That'll solve all the worlds ills.

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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Why ? Because they, after having done their investigations, finally released two innocent ones ?

Just for the sake of accuracy, the judges in the UK do not investigate. It's not the same "investigating magistrate" system as you have in continental Europe, the Anglo-Saxon judicial system is an adversarial one where the judge pronounces on the evidence but has no part in the investigation.
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
Just for the sake of accuracy, the judges in the UK do not investigate. It's not the same "investigating magistrate" system as you have in continental Europe, the Anglo-Saxon judicial system is an adversarial one where the judge pronounces on the evidence but has no part in the investigation.

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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:57 pm

Its interesting to note both who and how many people are willing to throw due process and a thousand years of judicial history and established procedure out of the window purely because these two were charged with terrorism offences.

Shows which way the world is going today, and Im not talking about the terrorists.
 
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
do not investigate

in most of continental Europe it of course is NOT actually the judges investigating themselves but police investigations are done under the order of the judiciary. But the magistrate in charge DOES have influence onto the investigations.
 
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RE: Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:54 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
in most of continental Europe it of course is NOT actually the judges investigating themselves but police investigations are done under the order of the judiciary. But the magistrate in charge DOES have influence onto the investigations.

Indeed. But in the UK (and other similar Anglo-Saxon legal systems like the US and Australia) the judiciary play no part whatsoever in the investigation.
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