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Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:11 pm

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Beefstew25 (Thread starter):
Pure evil. This guy is pure evil.

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While what he did to his daughter is disguising and morally wrong. We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives. Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok. To call him evil... is a bit much, imo

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
While what he did to his daughter is disguising and morally wrong. We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives. Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok. To call him evil... is a bit much, imo

They did not mention religion in the article.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:25 pm

He not only is he ignorant or defiant of Federal law, he doesn't appear to understand the concept of perjury, either.

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 2):
They did not mention religion in the article.

Although in no way to i agree what this guy did. I would have to agree with Cadet57 on his remarks. From where he is from it is a regular practice AFAIK. It was wrong what he did. But like cadet57 said, evil is a bit harsh. But, in no way to i condone what this guy did, and hope he does spend the full 10 years in jail.

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives.

The Congress more than likely took into account different religious views when debating the social policy behind the law. And clearly the Congress rejected all religious beliefs as contrary to the norms, laws, customs, and morality of the United States.

After he's released, if he survives the penitentiary, I hope he's deported to Africa. Maybe he can hang out with Bob Geldof and Bono.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 5):
After he's released, if he survives the penitentiary, I hope he's deported to Africa. Maybe he can hang out with Bob Geldof and Bono.

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
While what he did to his daughter is disguising and morally wrong. We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives. Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok.

Because he has perverted religious views this should let him off the hook? In the mind of cannibals killing and eating people is most likely "ok" as well.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:18 am

I didn't even know you could circumcise a girl. There you go.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
I didn't even know you could circumcise a girl. There you go.

Christ, I learnt how you do that in Primary school, I suddenly feel over privileged!  Wow!

As well as agreeing in part with Cadet57, I have to ask if the father still plays a part in the upbringing of his daughter, depending on the divorce agreement I suppose. If so, then I do not agree with putting him in jail for what are the eventual years when a sibling bonds with their parents. I'm not sure that would be fair on the girl for a start, if she still loves her father.

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
Because he has perverted religious views this should let him off the hook? In the mind of cannibals killing and eating people is most likely "ok" as well.
I say cut off HIS d*ck and send him back wherever he came from

BINGO! Why should his views affect the life of others? If he wants to castrate himself, that is fine and dandy.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
Christ, I learnt how you do that in Primary school, I suddenly feel over privileged!

I know you look up to me but you don't have to call me Christ.

So you're telling me that you learnt about obscure things about female genitalia when you were 8 and you also learnt how to draw proper trees? Wow, I feel underprivileged.

*Note, by tree I don't mean penis as I see you could possibly make a link there.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
Because he has perverted religious views this should let him off the hook?

Did i say that? NO... what I said was:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok.



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
I say cut off HIS d*ck and send him back wherever he came from.

Whatever.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:22 am

From the article....

"The child's mother, Fortunate Adem, said she did not discover it until more than a year later."

Hmmm, something isn't adding up here. How could her mom not have noticed for over a year??
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 13):
Hmmm, something isn't adding up here. How could her mom not have noticed for over a year??

Well the girl was past the dipers stage and lets face it, how often did your parents look at your nuts?
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
Well the girl was past the dipers stage

Possibly. But was she past the bath stage? Her mom surely must have bathed her a time or two after she was two, no??
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 15):
But was she past the bath stage? Her mom surely must have bathed her a time or two after she was two, no?

True. Very true. But again. Unless the daughter mentions it. I doubt the mother would be looking for it specifically.. Now IDK weather it changes the appearance of the organ. If not IDK if the mother would even know.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Beefstew25 (Thread starter):
Pure evil.

No, what he did is bad, but it is common place in many areas of Africa. A sentence of 10 years in this light looks rather harsh, but I suppose the idea was to place an example and to show that such doings are NOT tolerated. The REAL problem in the background is that this "cut" still takes place in so many areas and is still done by so many people.
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 16):
If not IDK if the mother would even know.

Had to be a bloody procedure. Had to take time to heal, including a scab for a while. I smell something rotten. Could the mom be in fact guilty, and the dad telling the truth??
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 18):
I smell something rotten.

Sure it's not something fishy?
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 19):
Sure it's not something fishy?

Good point. I totally missed that opportunity. Big grin
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:58 am

How can you circumsize a woman sick bastard
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:18 am

I'm surprised they didn't pursue sexual assault. I think the example needs to be set, certainly. And for those who think it's the same as male circumcision, it's not:
The purpose of male circumcision is not to deny the male any sexual pleasure. It's cleanliness. Circumcised males are less prone to infections.

All female circumcision does is deny the female sexual pleasure which she is naturally entitled to.

I don't buy the culture argument. He still has a brain. Jim Crow and Nazism were also a culture at one point. It doesn't absolve those involved for the responsibility.

He physically harmed his daughter with the sole purpose and intention of denying her sexual pleasure. He doesn't deserve or need any sympathy.

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:20 am

10 years??? Thats it????? Ask me should have been life in prison.
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 18):
Had to take time to heal

well, the male circumcision if conducted at age 10 takes a few weeks to heal, so that I suppose it is similar in this case
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Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 22):
the same as male circumcision, it's not:

of course not, it is complete rubbish
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Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 22):
He physically harmed his daughter

he however simply followed the tradition he knew. To "harm" his daughter was not really the point. "sympathy" ? not the point. The point is that it must be made clear to immigrants with such traditions in mind that such doings is NOT tolerated
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Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 23):
10 years??? Thats it????? Ask me should have been life in prison.

quite to the contrary. He most presumably will be released after serving the "minimum", as not a "real criminal".
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 23):
10 years??? Thats it????? Ask me should have been life in prison.

Again. While sick what he did. It is not as if he murdered someone. That sentence is a bit harsh imho..
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 25):
Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 23):
10 years??? Thats it????? Ask me should have been life in prison.

Again. While sick what he did. It is not as if he murdered someone. That sentence is a bit harsh imho..

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:46 am

The same happend here, but the father went to Ethiopia with his daughter and let his relatives "cut her".

The school nurse called the police when the girl got vaginal infection and told the nurse what has happend in her "homeland"..

Father got 4 years in prison and to pay his daughter a lot of $$$$$

Whatta sick bastard....to his own flesh n blood!!

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:53 am

The guy is obviously Muslim, and in some Muslim countries they do "circumsize" women. Its a brutal and totally aweful thing to do and I hope he gets the max. sentence.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 28):
The guy is obviously Muslim,

Obviously not -
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 24):
as not a "real criminal".

You don't think he's a REAL criminal?
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 5):
The Congress more than likely took into account different religious views when debating the social policy behind the law

Congress isn't supposed to take into account religious views, it is simply not supposed to interfere in the free exercise of religion, nor respect the establishment of any religion. If anything, Congress should be ignoring all religious views.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 28):
The guy is obviously Muslim, and in some Muslim countries they do "circumsize" women.

Khalid Adem is Ethiopian. Ethiopia isn't a Moslem country. Further, FGM (don't call it circumcision, because it isn't) isn't practiced as any sort of a norm in any of the largest Moslem countries, rather it is much more of an African tradition. In fact, most Moslems look down on the practice as barbaric.

I would actually like to see a transcript of this, given that the father raised the defense of truth during the trial and it appears that the only evidence against him was that of his daughter, which is highly suspect given that she was 2 at the time.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:38 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 28):
is obviously Muslim

female "circumcision" has nothing to do with Islam, and is done in many Christian countries throughout Africa.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 30):
as not a "real criminal".
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You don't think he's a REAL criminal?

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no, as he did NOT have a negative intention in his own opinion, he did what he regarded as a given thing. So that he is an "offender" but not what I would call a "real criminal"
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 32):
no, as he did NOT have a negative intention in his own opinion, he did what he regarded as a given thing.

He did permanently mutilate his 2-year old daughter for crying out loud!!! His motivations whether negative or positive to do so as a result of his perverted religious beliefs are irrelevant.
By analogy using your logic there would be nothing wrong about Satanic rituals involving child abuse/sacrifices, because what they do is regarded by them as a "given thing", right?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:25 pm

Some guy of African origin in Bergen, Norway attempted to stab his daughters school-teacher. After it was discovered that "something" had happened to his daughter's private parts, he claimed the teacher had raped her, but the teacher denies this, and says he has suspected the father of circumcising his daughter, and trying to fool the court by making up a rape story. The daughter has denied the teacher had raped her when asked in court.

What a circus...

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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:30 pm

I think we all have to consider what the point of this was?

I've heard of male circumcision but not females. And by the looks of the replies on this thread I don't think I really want to know how it applies to females.
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RE: Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 33):
permanently mutilate

people who do such things do NOT see their doings as "mutilating"

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 33):
perverted religious beliefs

it is not a religious belief, neither with Christians nor with Muslims doing it, it is weird customs, unfortunately thousands of years old. And many people refuse to accept and to realize that it is complete nonsense

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 33):
there would be nothing wrong about Satanic rituals involving child abuse/sacrifices

an extreme comparison, but, true, exactly why such practices need to be STOPPED. It is intolerable.

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