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Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:31 am

Evangelical leader quits after gay sex allegation
Ted Haggard, accused of affair with gay man, resigns from national post


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard stepped down as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals on Thursday after being accused of carrying on an affair with a gay man.

Haggard also stepped down as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending an investigation by a church panel, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:34 am

I was just reading this story, Dtw.  Smile

Very easily could be bogus, but too early to tell. If it is true, it's a scandal that the evangelical movement does not need.

I'll reserve judgement on this one.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Very easily could be bogus, but too early to tell. If it is true, it's a scandal that the evangelical movement does not need.

Do I feel a bit of Shadenfruede? Yes, I do.

If it is true, I won't feel bad for the guy at all.

It the allegations are false, well we shall see.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
... it's a scandal that the evangelical movement does not need ...

Actually, I believe it is a scandal that they desperately need.

They need to quit fearing and judging the rest of the world, and start examining themselves for a change. Maybe something like this will cause them to do that, at least in COS.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 3):

Actually, I believe it is a scandal that they desperately need.

They need to quit fearing and judging the rest of the world, and start examining themselves for a change. Maybe something like this will cause them to do that, at least in COS.

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:56 am

Seems to me if the allegations weren't true the good Rev. would be putting up a bigger fight. Another case of do as I tell you, and not what I do.
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:11 am

As much as I'd love to see any of these righties brought low because I think most of them are hypocrites and act like the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus would want to kick out (Especially Falwell and Pat Robertson) this story has some holes.

I mean he just "discovered: that

"Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage."

I smell a rat.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting B757300 (Reply 6):
The typical "He's a Christian so therefore he is guilty" mentality of the left.

I guess innocent till proven guilty doesn't apply to Christians, conservatives, or Republicans.   

Although I'm glad to see Falcon didn't instantly jump on the guilty bandwagon.

Did you see anyone on here say that the man is guilty? Do you just block out the word "IF" from your vocabulary?
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:09 pm

Just watched Mr. Haggard's interview with KUSA in Denver. While I will not make any judgements of his guilt, what struck me initially was the fact that had I not known what the interview was about, I would have thought they were interviewing a gay man. Mr. Haggard is more effeminate than my sister. Watch his interview here:

http://www.kusa.com/acm_news.aspx?OS...76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

It's quite lengthy.

One more thing worth noting. His denial of the accusations reminded me of President Clintons denial. Mr. Haggard says at one point, " I did not have sex........with a gay man in Denver". But what about in Arvada, Aurora, Highlands Ranch?  Smile

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:23 pm

More on this story.
Turns out, the gay prostitute that is accusing Reverend Haggard of paying him for sex, had messages from Mr. Haggard on his telephone voice mail. These phone messages were then given to Denver television station KUSA, who then hired a voice identification expert to compare. The expert has concluded that the messages left on the gay prostitutes voice mail came from the Reverend Haggard. It all sounds pretty damning, pardon the pun.  Smile
The news story video is here:

http://www.kusa.com/acm_news.aspx?OS...76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:49 pm

Hell I'll bite (so to speak):

So he DOES admit to some indiscretions, but which ones? Smoking meth or smoking pole? In Denver? In Littleton?

Oh BTW, this man was voted one of the Time Magazine's top 25 influential evangelicals last year AND has weekly telephone chats with George W about "religious matters."

Thanks Mr. Jones, you've given us all an early Christmas present this year (I guess some hookers do have hearts of gold after all!!!!!)

Is it too early to say GUILTY AS SIN now? (um, again, so to speak....)



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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:50 pm

No 'Christian' is perfect. They are human. Real Christians will forgive this man for his sins. Whatever makes a person Gay/Lesbian is a subject of great debate and it is difficult for people to restrain themselves with dealing with their feelings. At least in this case apparently he had relations, effectively adultery and thus a mortal sin, with another adult and not boys. Still, a leader or minister of a faith must set a good example or leave such roles to keep their followers. They also shouldn't be talking to a sitting President with advice on his policies unless they are open about their situation in such matters.
We have seen 1000's of Roman Catholic priests in the world whom were involved in totally immoral and sinful acts of sexual assult upon minor boys and girls and the damage both in it's authority and finances of the Church from that. A number priests and ministers of other faiths have also done similar acts, damaging themselves and their ministries. In many cases it was the cover up, fear of scandal being placed upon those ministries, making quiet payments to victims that hurt them. Of course this is nothing new, and I am quite sure that has been a problem for as long as mankind has been around.
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:15 am

I am sure the devil made him do it.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:05 am

Here's some more juicy stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zbCTLK01wk&eurl=

Hear it and laugh.

Ho, ho, ho.

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:21 am

The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

Maybe he was getting a discount...
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

Yeah, but this guy was a hunky muscular older "daddy" type.

There appears to be a demand for that. Its the equivalent of the "experienced" female hooker who after her youth disappears segueways into niche territory like dominatrix mama and the sort.

Maybe his face doesn't say George Clooney, but he does have a killer bod, and maybe he's got a lot going on in the meatstick department too. Who knows?

Perhaps, when the good Reverend was in a grip under Mr Jones massive biceps, he had a real religious experience and screamed: "OH JESUS ! OH GOD!"

[Edited 2006-11-03 19:44:32]
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Ho, ho, ho.

Yes - in this case, quite literally. Well one ho anyway.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

You'd think so, but one glance at Cornish would destroy that little illusion once and for all !
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:36 am

According to CNN, Haggard claims he bought meth but didn't use it and went to the prostitute for a massage.



What a crock of crap. The leader of US evangelists cant come to grips with the fact the he's gay. He'll admit to crytal meth, because ,after all that's on the phone answering machine, but bare backing? Where's the tape? Oh, and Falwell claims he doesn't know Haggard. Despite the fact the met Bush together in the Oval office.

This GOP implosion is almost surreal.

[Edited 2006-11-03 20:38:34]

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:37 am

Just on CNN he just admitted to buying meth, but didn't do it because it was wrong. He got it from a guy who was going to give him a massage. The hotel referred him to Haggard.

Seems like the water is getting deeper and darker.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Csavel (Reply 6):
act like the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus would want to kick out

...AND the homosexuals that he would also call "sinners".
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 19):
Quoting Csavel (Reply 6):
act like the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus would want to kick out

...AND the homosexuals that he would also call "sinners".

Don't recall him ever saying that.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

But he didn'ta.

Me thinks that the Messiah wouldn't exactly like it if some mere earthling started to attribute BS to him. Lord knows, he may smite you down. But judging by the intelligence of your post, looks like he already did.

So stick the BS where it belongs.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:57 am

I hope this knocks some sense into Bible beaters. How fraudulent their beliefs are.
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 11):
Real Christians will forgive this man for his sins

I don't think this man's critics are so much concerned with his "sins" unless that would mean the sin of holier-than-thouing. In a secular world hypocrisy is more of a "sin" than sexual foibles.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

Well consider it an economy measure. By having a less desirable partner he could combine the sin with the penance. "But I didn't enjoy it!"

A simple economy, like Kerry when he simultaneously sided with gays and outed Cheney's daughter.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:19 am

I said last night that I would reserve judgement on the good Reverend Haggard, but this just in, he's guilty as sin!  
Come on, is this the best he can come up with? He says he bought the meth but threw it out without using it? He's starting to sound like Clinton's " I never inhaled" excuse.
And more, in his phone message, he says " I'd like to get some more supply, meaning, this wasn't his first purchase.
And he wants a massage so of all of the massage therapists and spas in Denver, he chooses a gay prostitute?

Just last night he claimed he
A) Had never met Mr. Jones.
B) Has never taken drugs, "not even in high school".
C) Does not know any gay men, nor has he had gay sex.

Well it's clear that the first two things he claimed to be true were lies, and I'm having serious doubts about the gay sex denial.
This man is clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 21):
hope this knocks some sense into Bible beaters. How fraudulent their beliefs are.

Your an Idiot .. thanks

And such an imbicellic answer make you what?-a Rhoads Scholar?  Yeah sure
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 20):
Lord knows, he may smite you down. But judging by the intelligence of your post, looks like he already did.

 rotfl  Very good ! Sometimes you just have to think that religion is God's way of punishing the terminally gormless  Smile
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:33 am

I suggest Rev. Haggard go to alcohol rehab.  Big grin



BTW, is he related to Merle?
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:44 am

The reverend now admits he bought drug (crystal meth) for the gay prostitute, but denies he had sex with him.

Maybe he has a clintonian view about "having sex with someone"...
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:48 am

Wow...first Ann Coulter up for possible felony charges, now this purty minister caught with his hands up the nookie jar.

Maybe there IS a god after all, lol!  Wink

(now if we could just catch Sean Hannity gettin' his groove on with a donkey, my religious conversion would be complete....HALLELUJAH!)
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:49 am

Just watched his latest admissions to Denver's KUSA reporter.

http://www.kusa.com/

He says a hotel in Denver referred him to the gay prostitute for a massage. Which begs the question, what freaking hotel was he staying at? This man has money, I can't picture the Hyatt or Sheraton concierge referring him to some back alley gay prostitute for a massage.

Liar liar pants on fire!

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:49 am

The Amish forgives.  Smile
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
And such an imbicellic answer make you what?-a Rhoads Scholar?

I was away for awhile. Did we have a winger go postal again?
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 31):

I was away for awhile. Did we have a winger go postal again?

They're going off like popcorn here. Wait till Tuesday ! We'll be scraping holier-than-thou off the ceiling  Smile
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:09 am

Here's a picture of Rev. Haggard (center). Umm, I'm not sure but the guy on the right looks familiar.

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 33):
Here's a picture of Rev. Haggard (center). Umm, I'm not sure but the guy on the right looks familiar.

Perhaps the unofficial White House concierge Jeff Gannon recommended him to Rev Haggard.....FOR A MASSAGE!  laughing 
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:00 am

This is getting more and more interesting!

The Rev. Ted Haggard has been forced out as pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church, whose board cited his "sexually immoral conduct.

from cnn.com
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:38 am

Here is the press release from New Life Church announcing Haggard's dismissal.

http://www.9news.com/pdfs/pressrelease110606.pdf

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:41 am

In light of this, shouldn't we be asking the right wingers on these boards to pledge that the are not engaging in homosexual sex before spouting off about "family values?
 
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Very easily could be bogus

But it isn't Blanche, it isn't!

I know it's wrong of me to get enjoyment out of this....but I AM!!!!


Haggard confesses to 'lifelong' sexual problem

Evangelical pastor Ted Haggard confessed on Sunday to a "lifelong" sexual problem, and said he was "a deceiver and a liar," in a letter read to his New Life Church.
In the letter read Sunday, Haggard took responsibility for his actions, saying "I am guilty of sexual immorality" and noted that "the things I did opened the door for additional allegations

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/index.html
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:02 am

Here is the video of Mr. Haggard's letter being read to his flock at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs.
In one word.........Pathetic.

http://www.kusa.com/

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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 39):
Here is the video of Mr. Haggard's letter being read to his flock at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs.
In one word.........Pathetic.

What's pathetic about it?
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:21 am

I didn't realize who this thread was about until I saw it on the news this morning.

This guy makes me want to puke.. What a fucking Hypocrite.

How anybody can defend organized religon after this asshole is beyond me.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 41):
How anybody can defend organized religon after this asshole is beyond me.

Well, I guess the people over at places like http://www.afsc.org/ or http://www.mazon.org/ should just pack up and take a hike, then.

BTW, The American Friends Service Committee, better known as the Quakers, and Mazon are examples of top-rated charities at:

http://www.charitywatch.org/
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 40):
What's pathetic about it?

In his letter to his congregation, he states that he has a sexual problem. This is not his problem. His problem is that for his entire life, Christians have been telling him that homosexuality is wrong and sinful, when in fact, it is not. He has been fighting against his natural orientation his entire life, trying to conform to Christian ideals of morality. In the process he has married, fathered 5 children, and screwed up all of their lives including his own. This scenario has played out on a daily basis for hundreds if not thousands of years because weak minded people like Mr. Haggard are not strong enough to stand up to religious dogma, and live out their lives conducive to the sexual orientation that they were born with. It is clear to anyone that has seen him speak that he is gay.
When religious people around the world can come to grips and accept reality that a small percentage of the worlds population are born with a different sexual orientation then the majority, want nothing more than to live normal lives like the majority, want nothing more than to receive the same rights and benefits like the majority, and are not involved in a mass conspiracy to convert the majority to their side, than the world will be a better place.
And this, AF, is what I find pathetic.
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 43):
When religious people around the world can come to grips and accept reality that a small percentage of the worlds population are born with a different sexual orientation then the majority, want nothing more than to live normal lives like the majority, want nothing more than to receive the same rights and benefits like the majority, and are not involved in a mass conspiracy to convert the majority to their side, than the world will be a better place.

Rejection of the homosexual lifestyle is one element of the religious right, that much is true. But I think it's all too easy to say that if only they would give up their religion, then "the world would be a better place", as you've put it. The point is, however, that this is a free country, and religious people have every bit as much of a right to their beliefs -- and to spread it, within reason -- as anyone else.

So I think that saying that the letter was "pathetic" can only be endorsed if one takes the narrow view of religiosity your message seems to convey. The speech can also be seen as courageous and morally righteous.

It's been said as follows: To the right, sexual matters belong, if anywhere, in private, and religious faith belongs in public. To the left, if anything, it tends to be the opposite.

There might be some truth to that.

[Edited 2006-11-05 23:40:29]
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RE: Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:24 am

I dislike a hypocrite as much as the next person; however, I can't help but feel a little sorry for Mr. Haggard. I grew up in a conservative, evangelical home, and have first hand knowledge of what it is like. It's not really fare to call him a hypocrite, though I guess he is. I would think it's about the same as criticizing someone for taking a drink of water after being stranded in the desert. I guess I was luckier than him in that I came around quicker.

I do know, though, that those were probably the most miserable years of my life. I only had to deal with the self-loathing for a few years before I came to accept my sexuality, I can only imagine the misery of living like that for so long, and it's only going to get worse for him. I suppose things like this can sometimes be liberating, but I have a feeling it'll only be worse now that he has an entire church to help him suppress his true feelings. Shame, humiliation, self-loathing - my God, it's really all his fault, but this guy has got to be miserable.

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