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Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:07 pm

Apparently us Brits believe only Bin Laden is a bigger threat to world peace than George W Bush.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:20 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

In related news, the Earth revolves around the Sun.  duck 

Oh, and when asked for his opinion...

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:45 pm

Well, I was just recently reading how a majority of Americans thought the Jews were more dangerous to world peace than any other group before WWII. The lesson:

The majority is not always correct.

"Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism#United_States
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
The majority is not always correct.

They are in a democracy. That's how it works.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:35 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
They are in a democracy

They majority wins, but they still dont always make the correct decision. After all, GWB won the majority in 2004, but you wouldnt agree that it was the correct decision.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 1):
Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

In related news, the Earth revolves around the Sun.

In further related news, Dick flatly denies that the earth revolves about anything.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:18 pm

So a group of newspapers that generally has a poor opinion of the Bush found 4000 people out of about 140,000,000 who also have a poor opinion of the Bush. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by this amazing bit of journalism.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:24 pm

It ain't just the Brits....
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 12):
So a group of newspapers that generally has a poor opinion of the Bush found 4000 people out of about 140,000,000 who also have a poor opinion of the Bush. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by this amazing bit of journalism.

If you were to bother to follow similar polls with similar results carried out over dozens of countries since about 2003, you might not be overwhelmed, but you should realise that the polls are probably representative of something. To appropriate a set of polls that have been going for yonks as an attempt to pervert the course of the true love of the US electorate for the GOP is mind blowing. Thanks, I was running out of ways of having my mind blown.

Interestingly Indonesia, India and China all think that the US considers other countries interests in its policies 63% to 69% than the UK 32%

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=803

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
If you were to bother to follow similar polls with similar results carried out over dozens of countries since about 2003, you might not be overwhelmed, but you should realise that the polls are probably representative of something.

They are representative of the fact that Bush isn't popular around the world. Is that some kind of news flash we've all been unaware of?
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:58 pm

If it comes from he UK, the USAs closest ally, then we better do something.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Many consider him as the Mesiyah !
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:05 pm

Same headline on Canadian news today. But with Canadians believe rather than Brits
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 12):
So a group of newspapers that generally has a poor opinion of the Bush found 4000 people out of about 140,000,000 who also have a poor opinion of the Bush. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by this amazing bit of journalism.

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
They are in a democracy. That's how it works.

Actually, we are a republic  Wink

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
They are representative of the fact that Bush isn't popular around the world. Is that some kind of news flash we've all been unaware of?

Indeedy, no. Which is why Reply #1 was the most apposite.  angel 
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 20):
Actually, we are a republic

I've heard that before on a.net, and yet the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. America is a "republic" as opposed to a monarchy, yet a monarchy can also be a democracy (e.g. the UK). Americans have the right to vote, therefore they live in a democracy. They don't have a king, therefore they live in a republic.

Funnily enough, in Greek (where both the word and the concept of democracy originated), the word "demokratia" means "republic".
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
The majority is not always correct.

Very true. As evidenced by the 2000 and 2004 U.S. presidential elections.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 22):

Funnily enough, in Greek (where both the word and the concept of democracy originated), the word "demokratia" means "republic".

Democracy (literally "rule by the people", from the Greek δῆμος demos, "people," and κράτος kratos, "rule")
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
If you were to bother to follow similar polls with similar results carried out over dozens of countries since about 2003,

I have been watching these poll, I just haven't seen anything new. The trend since 2003 has been negative, but if you go back further, you see that support on various issues waxes and wanes. Just as my opinions of other countries and their actions change over time, I expect thier opinion to change. In short, sometimes we disagree more than others. I don't want my country to be some sort of hostage to popular opinion, chasing after everyone elses approval. You end up expending lots of resources on things that don't benefit your own citizens in the long run. In three more years the same poll would come back different. Same goes for three years after that.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

If Brits believe so ...What would be Middle Eastern belief about Bush ?
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:00 am

Personally I believe Muslims are a bigger threat. But that's just me...
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:21 am

Yep, it's Bush!

Not AlQueda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not Islamofacism
Not ignorance
Not fanatacism
Not terrorist appeasers
Not terror in general

It's George W. Bush...  Yeah sure

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
believe only Bin Laden is a bigger threat to world peace than George W Bush

isn't that obvious ?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 4):
After all, GWB won the majority in 2004

in the USA. He would have lost out in almost all countries in the world except Saudi Arabia

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 28):
Yep, it's Bush!
Not alQaeda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not ignorance
Not fanatism

It is NOT Bush, it is Bushism, terrorism, fanatism, ignorance
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 28):
Yep, it's Bush!

Not AlQueda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not Islamofacism
Not ignorance
Not fanatacism
Not terrorist appeasers
Not terror in general

It's George W. Bush...

Could it be because he has managed to make each item you list just a little bit worse than it already was ? That's quite an achievement.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:39 am

Oh dear! So I suppose some Neo Con in the Senate will now propose that the official language of the United States become..........American.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting HatTrick (Reply 31):
Oh dear! So I suppose some Neo Con in the Senate will now propose that the official language of the United States become..........American.

In the Congressional cafeteria, breakfast bread items will be renamed Freedom Muffins.

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 28):
Not AlQueda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not Islamofacism
Not ignorance
Not fanatacism
Not terrorist appeasers
Not terror in general

It's George W. Bush...

When you actually bother to stop for a minute and see why these people are pi$$ed off, then I would bet that 99% of Americans would be pi$$ed if they were in the same situation.

Thats the problem with the US, the "it's our way or the highway" attitude. The rest of the world might not want to live "your way", ever thought about that ?. Going round bullying the world into your way does not work as recent events have shown. All it serves is to pI$$ more and more people off.

How would you in the US feel if the Saudi's came along and imposed sharia law over there ?. You would not like it either and would probably retaliate against it.

The US needs to start opening its eyes to the rest of the world, not living in ignorance as you accuse others of doing.

It is a case of Pot Kettle Black with the US, yet most of the people are too ignorant to see it.

The US needs to look at the reasons why people hate them, and start to do something about it that is acceptable to all, not bullying their way through country after country trynig to force people to like them.

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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:46 am

I'll accept that.If you take a look at Republican administrations(Bush senior,Reagan,as well) vs.Democrat,no wonder why the rest of the world
like Democrats(do nothing Clinton) and think Bush as dangerous.

This is really nothing new and why Americans think the Republicans are better
party to respond to a hot spot.

It's a justified claim.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 33):
The rest of the world might not want to live "your way", ever thought about that ?

OK, please give examples of who in the world would not want to live in our way and why?

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 33):
How would you in the US feel if the Saudi's came along and imposed sharia law over there ?

Are you trying to compare Sharia law to the typical way of life in the Western world?
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 35):
OK, please give examples of who in the world would not want to live in our way and why?

I don't want to live your way. I'm quite happy knowing that the guy I flip off on the highway probably ISN'T carrying a firearm. I quite like socialised health care. I quite like having legally mandated profit-share in the company, and 35 days paid vacation per year. I like being allowed to travel to Cuba if I want to. A genuine multi-party democracy is good too (not the two-party circle-jerk you seem to have lumbered yourselves with). Non political judges and prosecutors who don't have their eye on the next election. Media that is aware that a whole world exists beyond our borders, and that takes a keen and educated interest therein. A society where abortion and homosexuality stopped being talking points 20 years ago.

Try to get this into your head - despite the propaganda to the contrary, the U.S. is not the freeest society in the world. Thanks for asking.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):

What in the world are you even talking about? What have you been reading from your side of the world?

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
I'm quite happy knowing that the guy I flip off on the highway probably ISN'T carrying a firearm.

Those stories left the news many years ago. My sister visiting from Ecuador is nothing short of surprised as to the courtesy of the drivers here. You hardly hear any honking of horns in the worst of traffic, even in LA.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
I quite like socialised health care

By law, hospitals here cannot deny you health care. And my company, the domain of a right winger, provides health and dental insurance.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
and 35 days paid vacation per year.

I counted my paid vacation days at work, and they number about 25. Plus, I have the freedom to set a certain scheduling by making up the time in other days.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
I like being allowed to travel to Cuba if I want to

What makes you think I cant? I go thru Mexico, take an airplane, and the Cuban authorities will never stamp my American passport. This is a well known way to get to Cuba. Frankly, I much rather spend my vacations in Cancun.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
Media that is aware that a whole world exists beyond our borders, and that takes a keen and educated interest therein.

I am well aware of what is occurring in the outside world, thank you, like those pesky riots in Paris about now. Those who feel like doing other things besides watching the news have the freedom to do so here as well.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
A genuine multi-party democracy is good too (not the two-party circle-jerk you seem to have lumbered yourselves with).

When was the last time the US actually had three viable parties?

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
A society where abortion and homosexuality stopped being talking points 20 years ago.

Whatever you believe the important issues are here, those two are usually not ranked at the top. Sure most Americans have an opinion about them, but that typically does not translate into concrete steps. Here is SMF, in the conservative side of California, the most popular (and expanding) club in town is 'Faces', a gay club with a wide selection of different people that go there.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
Try to get this into your head - despite the propaganda to the contrary, the U.S. is not the freeest society in the world. Thanks for asking.

Let me ask you this question, and I dont know if this applies to you. But when I give this tidbit of information to Americans they gasp in horror. Are your immigration policies the same or similar to those in Switzerland? Because my wife has a married cousin, who legally lives there with her husband. Their daughter, born in Switzerland, is not a citizen. Why?
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
By law, hospitals here cannot deny you health care.

In an emergency. And if you can pay, you will.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
And my company, the domain of a right winger, provides health and dental insurance.

How many millions of American don't have that luxury ?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
What makes you think I cant? I go thru Mexico, take an airplane, and the Cuban authorities will never stamp my American passport.

You can do that, but it is an illegal act. Imagine a country that actually has the unmitigated gall to forbid its citizens to travel to another country - how communist is that ?  Smile

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
When was the last time the US actually had three viable parties?

Exactly my point.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
Are your immigration policies the same or similar to those in Switzerland? Because my wife has a married cousin, who legally lives there with her husband. Their daughter, born in Switzerland, is not a citizen. Why?

Because that's the law in Switzerland (they are a bit picky). I believe in France that as long as at least one parent is a French citizen, the child is automatically entitled to French citizenship, even if the child is not actually born in France - and thereby has the right to live and work anywhere in the EU (as well as any of the French DOM/TOM's, which is much nicer).
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 32):
And if you can pay, you will.

And what is wrong with that?

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 32):
How many millions of American don't have that luxury ?

As compared to how many do?

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 32):
You can do that, but it is an illegal act

And how many people get prosecuted for doing exactly that?

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 32):
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
When was the last time the US actually had three viable parties?

Exactly my point.

Then why did you use the 'lumbered into' part? What did you mean by that? The US has been essentially a two-party system since its inception.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 32):
I believe in France that as long as at least one parent is a French citizen, the child is automatically entitled to French citizenship, even if the child is not actually born in France -

Still shocking here. Did you know, and I am still not certain if it has changed much, that a child born of immigrant in the US is immediately a citizen?
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 33):
And what is wrong with that?

Health care should be a right, not a privilege.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 33):
As compared to how many do?

From covertheuninsured.com:

"The problem of the uninsured is growing worse. The federal government estimates that 46 million Americans lack coverage of any kind for an entire year. Other research shows that tens of millions more Americans go without health coverage for shorter periods of time."

46 million people - that's more than the entire population of Spain. That's a lot of people.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 33):
And how many people get prosecuted for doing exactly that?

Actually (I looked this up) it's only illegal for a US Citizen to spend money in Cuba, and between 300-400 people are prosecuted annually for breaking this law. Still pretty totalitarian.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 31):
Because my wife has a married cousin, who legally lives there with her husband. Their daughter, born in Switzerland, is not a citizen. Why?

Where somebody is born is irrelevant in Swiss law. To be born in Switzerland does NOT mean that you become Swiss citizen, UNLESS one of your parents is Swiss citizen. What matters is how many years you have lived in Switzerland, details vary from canton to canton in fact. And the procedure in places is extremely complicated and in other places fairly easy. It depends on the cantonal laws and the regulations of the city, town or village.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 31):
in Switzerland? Because my wife has a married cousin, who legally lives there with her husband. Their daughter, born in Switzerland, is not a citizen. Why?

Here for your information the rules of the Canton of Berne (fairly average):
Wie ist die Wohnsitzdauer geregelt? How long have you to be here ?
� Bund / Union -- Confederation
Zw�lf Jahre, davon drei Jahre innerhalb der letzten f�nf Jahre
12 years, thereof 3 years within the past 5 years
� Kanton / Canton
Zwei Jahre, ununterbrochen / 2 years permanent residence
� Gemeinde / village -- city
Zwei Jahre, ununterbrochen / 2 years permanent residence
F�r Jugendliche gilt: / for people below 20 years :
� Zwischen dem 10. und 20. Lebensjahr z�hlen die Wohnsitzjahre doppelt
at age 10 up to 20, these years count double
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Interested people have to obtain the full information to check up as the details vary from Canton to Canton
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 27):
The US needs to look at the reasons why people hate them, and start to do something about it that is acceptable to all, not bullying their way through country after country trynig to force people to like them.

While I agree that we shouldn't resort to being a bully, I categorically reject your suggestion that we should conform our culture, our nation, and our way of life to suit the needs of the people who hate us.

Here's my suggestion to the people that hate us. You don't like our culture, stop importing it. Close down all the Starbucks and McDonalds you want. Evict Mickey Mouse and company. But keep your terrorists away from our shores, and we'll all get along just fine.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 37):
conform our culture, our nation, and our way of life to suit the needs of the people who hate us.

you have NOT to conform your "culture" and your nation to others, you just should abstain from trying to press your "culture" upon others

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 37):
Evict Mickey Mouse and company.

Mickey Mouse is popular, GWB is the problem !
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 38):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 37):conform our culture, our nation, and our way of life to suit the needs of the people who hate us.
you have NOT to conform your "culture" and your nation to others, you just should abstain from trying to press your "culture" upon other

So we've forced Starbucks and McDonald's on you?  rotfl 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 30):
I don't want to live your way. I'm quite happy knowing that the guy I flip off on the highway probably ISN'T carrying a firearm. I quite like socialised health care. I quite like having legally mandated profit-share in the company, and 35 days paid vacation per year. I like being allowed to travel to Cuba if I want to. A genuine multi-party democracy is good too (not the two-party circle-jerk you seem to have lumbered yourselves with). Non political judges and prosecutors who don't have their eye on the next election. Media that is aware that a whole world exists beyond our borders, and that takes a keen and educated interest therein. A society where abortion and homosexuality stopped being talking points 20 years ago.

Try to get this into your head - despite the propaganda to the contrary, the U.S. is not the freeest society in the world. Thanks for asking.

Hey JG want a job as an amanuensis? Not sure we can manage the non two party bit, have to await our own next Fed elections to be sure about that. And we have not got to the mandated share bit.

But we can add the freedom to be fined if you do not vote in elections. That turns out to be a great freedom. If would reduce the chance of a GWB here, although not it seems the most avid and fervent follower of GWB.

Non-political judges is one of the most important differences. I assume that one of the major forces for this next set of US elections is to make it more difficult for GWB to further stack SCOTUS.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 40):
Hey JG want a job as an amanuensis?

Maybe - but I don't take dictation, I don't make coffee, and windows is extra !

Quoting Baroque (Reply 40):
But we can add the freedom to be fined if you do not vote in elections. That turns out to be a great freedom.

I think that's a great system - democracy infers responsibiities as well as rights, and one of them is the duty to participate, even if it is just to spoil your ballot because you think they all suck. Although I do sometimes wonder what would happen if EVERYONE spoiled their ballot - would the politicians give up and go away ? We can but hope  Smile

It will be interesting to see what the next Federal election turns up - it doesn't seem possible the Howard will manage it again - he seems to be generating Blair-like unpopularity these days.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 41):
It will be interesting to see what the next Federal election turns up - it doesn't seem possible the Howard will manage it again - he seems to be generating Blair-like unpopularity these days.

I suspect that is why this coming US election is attracting a considerable amount of interest here. For whatever reason, the Aus electorate is not really keen on parties if the the US govt does not smile on them. Howard has been unusual in hanging his whole wardrobe, never mind his coat, on the Bush horse (sorry for the mixed metaphor, but it is the dreaded Melb cup on the same day). If the Bush line gets a belting, there will be some fallout for Howard too. God knows why, you would think we were old enough to make up our own minds. It seems to be the great and powerful friends myth is still powerful. You would have thought that would have lost its magic with Churchill, but not a bit of it. The blyth assumption that the US would make itself a nuclear target on our behalf just blows my mind.

And of course Howard and Bush's deputy sheriff bit goes down a real treat in SE Asia, both for the US as well as Aus. You might as well just send money direct to JI to help with their recruiting as come out with that phrase. And how they have managed to get away with the "right to invade if we think anyone is naughty in your country" line is breathtaking in its total stupidity. The Indonesian army might not be the most efficient, but it sure is big and I would think it could see any invasion by us off without even raising a sweat.

JG, I don't think not taking dictation is a problem, just keep reading minds, that will do fine. And don't talk to me about Windows - unless you have my missing DLL file!
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 29):
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 33):
The rest of the world might not want to live "your way", ever thought about that ?

OK, please give examples of who in the world would not want to live in our way and why?

Me. Whilst people are people and we cannot pre-jugde individuals, culture on the other hand can be critiqued objectively: Whilst it has good elements, broadly, I find American culture superficial, devoid of any cultivated aesthetic or historical values, typified by adolescent materialism and sealed in a cocoon of ignorance of the outside world.
Combine this with, in the public arena, an endless mantra of nationalist pep talks (I've lived there so I know what I'm talking about), an increasingly uncritical media and brutalising foreign policy since the end of WW II (Iraq is just more visible to the average citizen) and you have, in every sense of the word, a 'bully' who has long since alienated its closest allies and contintues to inflame the most dangerous elements on the world stage, giving them ever greater power and local support.

So you have a right to choose to live there, but, in response to your question, you should understand how the country is seen by the vast majority of the planet, Western and developoing worlds included. Don't take my word for it: Check the Pew Project on Global Attitudes, Washington D.C : http://pewglobal.org/reports/
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 43):
Me. Whilst people are people and we cannot pre-jugde individuals, culture on the other hand can be critiqued objectively: Whilst it has good elements, broadly, I find American culture superficial, devoid of any cultivated aesthetic or historical values, typified by adolescent materialism and sealed in a cocoon of ignorance of the outside world.
Combine this with, in the public arena, an endless mantra of nationalist pep talks (I've lived there so I know what I'm talking about), an increasingly uncritical media and brutalising foreign policy since the end of WW II (Iraq is just more visible to the average citizen) and you have, in every sense of the word, a 'bully' who has long since alienated its closest allies and contintues to inflame the most dangerous elements on the world stage, giving them ever greater power and local support.

What kind of cheese would you like to go along with your whine?

My guess is that you are just another frenchman who is pissed that France long ago lost its standing as the center of world diplomacy. Must really gall you that English is the language of diplomacy, right?

So you don't like American culture? Fine. There are parts of it I'm not too fond of. But one thing I don't do is pass sanctimonious judgment on the culture of other countries. I may not prefer to live in France, Spain, or Italy, but I appreciate the uniqueness of each culture and value the strengths of each.

So by all means, stay away from evil America and its juvenile culture. We'd rather not have your snobbish arrogance around here, to be honest.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 44):
My guess is that you are just another frenchman who is pissed that France long ago lost its standing as the center of world diplomacy. Must really gall you that English is the language of diplomacy, right?

Wait up, you missed one. You forget to remind him to thank you for WW1, WW2, etc etc. That whole tedious, predictable rant loses all it's charm without that particular chestnut.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 44):


My guess is that you are just another frenchman who is pissed that France long ago lost its standing as the center of world diplomacy. Must really gall you that English is the language of diplomacy, right?

No Halls, wrong.



To answer your question, all of your 'guesses' above are, in fact, wrong:
- Not French
- Speak English as first language, just like you, Halls.
- As for diplomacy, that's another discussion.

If you're following the discussion, you know that there was a direct question from AndesSMF to which I responded. If you've got an issue with the question, take it up with him or the moderators. If you've got an issue with a direct answer, then that's your issue.
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 44):
But one thing I don't do is pass sanctimonious judgment on the culture of other countries.

Do a search on your own posts, it's always instructive.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 44):
So by all means, stay away from evil America and its juvenile culture. We'd rather not have your snobbish arrogance around here, to be honest.

In a broader context, I am quite happy to speak about the positive elements of American culture, the negative of French or any other. Culture is not your personal character, it is the 'soup' that surrounds you. It's vital that we are able to from time to time, distance ourselves from it and question and critique our own culture. This is one of the greatest strengths of a society, self critique and accepting critique.

I attacked noone personally, but I am now attacked personally ("snobbish, arrogant, whining...").

My somewhat polemical tyrade is onesided due to the context and flow of the preceding debate. Apologies for the offense caused to you.

[Edited 2006-11-04 16:38:07]
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:41 am

Recommended reading for the genesis of this thread and nearly all opinions therein:

Rogue Nation: Unilateralism and the Failure of Good Intentions
by Reagan advisor, 20-year US trade negotiator, and true Republican, Clyde Prestowitz.
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 44):
My guess is that you are just another frenchman who is pissed that France long ago lost its standing as the center of world diplomacy. Must really gall you that English is the language of diplomacy, right?

Being a gentleman he would probably would like a Jindi Brie, too polite to want a stiff cheese! I imagine he fumes every morning at the passing of L'ancien regime in his full length Louis XIV mirror.
 
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RE: Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 48):
I imagine he fumes every morning at the passing of L'ancien regime in his full length Louis XIV mirror.

I know I do ! Bloody peasants...
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