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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:21 am

This story is Breaking as I type...

The group in their Monday release will call for the resignation or firing of Donald Rumsfeld citing NO CONFIDENCE.....This includes the Army Times along with Navy Marines and Air Force.

This administration has lost its credibility....
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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:26 am

I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

I think, by God, Randy Smith, we may have our FIRST agreement here . . . . at least as far as Rummy . . .  faint .

The dictator at the Pentagon needs to be beheaded . . . he has destroyed the Pentagon, and he's killing troops . . . .

Time to go Rummy.

And this is a big deal . . . publishers of the Army, Navy and Air Force Times all calling for Rumsfeld to go . . . and this WILL get to the field.

Wanna see the backlash . . .

Rumsfeld needs to go . . . . about two years ago . . .
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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
publishers of the Army, Navy and Air Force Times all calling for Rumsfeld to go

Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?
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Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:36 am

The backlash from this will be interesting. But you know unfortunately, he will be in place until 08 unless he is found in bed with a dead woman, or a live boy.
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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?

Privately owned, BUT . . . BIGGGG but, an official unofficial of every branch of the military . . . and VERY WELL respected amongst the ranks. Usually has the spot on, ball accurate answer . . . and very unbiased reporting about the military and it's goings on.

EXAMPLE: The Army chastised Rummy pretty heavily for his response to the young soldier in Iraq a few years ago about add-on armor for Hummers . . .you recall that do you not.

Although not an "official" DoD publication, much, much inside info and it's accurate. I still - obviously - subscribe.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):

I don't like retaking old terrain, but for a moment I'll tell you I worked at the Pentagon under Rummy . . . an autocratic, dictatorial, uber-arrogant ass. Far too many senior Flag and General Officers retired - en masse' - rather than work for him. He summarily fired the CoS, Army for disagreeing with him . . . on and on and on . . .

I'm trying to watch this week's Battlestar and answer this too . . .  silly  . . .
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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?
Privately owned, BUT . . . BIGGGG but, an official unofficial of every branch of the military . . . and VERY WELL respected amongst the ranks. Usually has the spot on, ball accurate answer . . . and very unbiased reporting about the military and it's goings on.

I agree. This might be what it takes to convince Bush's handlers that Rumsfled needs to go. Maybe Rummy will do the honorable thing and resign.
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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:18 am

Well if only Bush was running for re-election then Rummy might get the Ax!
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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

Been there with you, although I did see Ann Coulter once on TV claim that Rummy is the best SOD ever. Ugh!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Rumsfeld needs to go . . . . about two years ago . . .

Before more careers are ruined and more military personnel are dead due to lack of planning, funding, etc on Rummy's part.
 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:12 pm

It's time for Donald to Duck and take cover! Should'ave replaced him years back!

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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?

Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I think, by God, Randy Smith, we may have our FIRST agreement here . .

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the headline on this thread!  Smile

Quoting B757300 (Reply 9):
Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.

Maybe those papers are, Mr. Rightie, but the Military Times, I imagine, isn't about as far left as they come.

Stop kissing Rummy's ass, B757300. 3 Out of 4 conservatives and liberals on this forum think it's time for him to go. Give it up.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

Right, but I believe that won't happen, soon. As long as Mr. Rumsfeld takes the incoming fire, the only critique President Bush faces is that of being too loyal. As soon as Mr. Rumsfeld leaves the government, the President can no longer hide behind him.

Sure, it's a theory, but it would explain why Bush keeps Rumsfeld in office.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting B757300 (Reply 9):
Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.

Hold on a minute, though. What does Gannet have to do with this? The Indianapolis Star is a Gannet publication, and they're not a left-leaning publication (not that I know, at least). Maybe the USAToday would do something like that (I kind of doubt it, though - Al Neuharth may be mostly liberal, but he usually keeps the opinions way back on the editorial pages in the back of the main section). Currently, I would not agree with your remark, unless you could show me how Gannet (through some of their other publications) is known for spreading its liberal ilk without restraint.

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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:29 pm

What do you guys think about former Sec of Defense Cohen, replacing Rumsfeld?


I don't know, It just seemed like Cohen knew what he was doing.
 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignatio

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting B757300 (Reply 9):
Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.

Actually, a UCLA study found that of all the sources of print media, USA Today was the most centrist. Not that that changes my view of them as a dumbed-down, drivel-ridden rag written for the TV generation.

Seriously, pick up a copy each of USA Today and the NY Times. Read them side-by-side and you'll wonder - just as I did - whether Scotty has taken up a career in journalism.  Wink

And don't make generalizations about the Military Times just because of their corporate parent. Gannett owns nearly 100 newspapers across the nation and only ArtieFunkin would be daft enough to suspect some sort of mass conspiracy.  banghead 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
What do you guys think about former Sec of Defense Cohen, replacing Rumsfeld?

I'd be okay with that, but I think that's extremely unlikely for a couple of reasons.

First, Bush has a very strong tendency to make senior level appointments from his inner circle. Cohen is most definately not in that club.

Second, attracting a quality candidate is going to be very tough I think. There is nothing more sure to ruin your political career and your reputation in DC right now than being associated with the Bush Administration and the war in Iraq.

I won't be surprised if Rumsfeld stays for the duration.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):
The backlash from this will be interesting. But you know unfortunately, he will be in place until 08 unless he is found in bed with a dead woman, or a live boy.

You mean a dead boy would be acceptable...?  eyebrow 

Well, the main reason for Rummy's continued tenure is probably the fear that the whole administration could come down once one of the cards at its foundation was removed...!  mischievous 
 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?

ANC beat me to it, privately owned and there are versions for all the branches. Consider them on the same level as say a Western Flyer newspaper to aviation.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
ANC beat me to it, privately owned and there are versions for all the branches.

Thanks for the information, everyone. Since these are privately-owned publications, are they not worried they will lose access to the military by criticising the Secretary of Defence ? Even if many of the top brass actually agree with what these papers are saying, can they jeapardise their careers by continuing to cooperate with these publications after this ? Assuming that Rumsfeld doesn't actually resign, which given his record, isn't likely to happen. I thought I was resistant to reality, but this guy's a PRO !
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

And voting for the guy who put him there twice?
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
Been there with you, although I did see Ann Coulter once on TV claim that Rummy is the best SOD ever. Ugh!

That speaks volumes right there.

When you hear one or two of these calls for resignation, it doesn't get much credibility. But when you hear these calls from so many, something needs to be done. Now.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:07 am

He should resign and apologize for his costly mistakes. President Bush is making an unbelievable stupid decision by keeping him in the DoD.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:41 am

Wowie, looks like this is the last "october surprise" of the campaign season, and timed RIGHT before election day!

It's been a wild ride these past five weeks, and who knows, there might be one or two twists left in this story.

Looks like this week is going to be fun!  Smile
 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
Since these are privately-owned publications, are they not worried they will lose access to the military by criticising the Secretary of Defence ?

We still have freedom of the press in this country dude, despite rumors to the contrary.

Even if a base commander where to prohibit the sales of it from the AAFES Bookstore (I think that would get them fired IMHO) nothing provents them being sold 15 feet out the main gate. So why bother banning it.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
We still have freedom of the press in this country dude, despite rumors to the contrary.

I know, that wasn't what I was saying. I was concerned that they might not be given access to military facilities and personnel for reporting purposes - interviews, etc. This would be their main source of material, I guess.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:13 am

I am sure there have been many hissy-fits in the past.

But they are a newspaper owned by a chain, so they have all the access to the same news wires that everybody else uses.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 25):
But they are a newspaper owned by a chain, so they have all the access to the same news wires that everybody else uses.

I doubt very much they have gained the respect they seem to have by relying simply on news wires. As a specialist publication, access to military insiders has to be crucial to them, even if they don't always publish what they find out - being "in the know" for that kind of publication is a sine qua non.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Far too many senior Flag and General Officers retired - en masse' - rather than work for him. He summarily fired the CoS, Army for disagreeing with him . . . on and on and on . .

While I agree that Rummy should leave (been saying it since 2004), this is not a proper criteria for wanting him fired. For me, it's Iraq and it's messed up aftermath, that's it.

Bush brought in Rummy to overhaul the Defence department, reorganize the organization and wreck a lot of the mini-empires and pet projects in the Pentagon. Of course a lot of high-ranking people are going to be pissed at their pet projects getting killed, or that his 50-person organization working on contractor specification for military toilet seats was eliminated.

People complaining is not a criteria for canning the SOD. Indeed it could be a sign that he's doing something right.

That said, At the end of the day what counts is performance, and Rummy bears a lot of the blame for Iraq getting screwed up. And that's enough for me to ask for his resignation.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
Bush brought in Rummy to overhaul the Defence department, reorganize the organization and wreck a lot of the mini-empires and pet projects in the Pentagon. Of course a lot of high-ranking people are going to be pissed at their pet projects getting killed, or that his 50-person organization working on contractor specification for military toilet seats was eliminated.

People complaining is not a criteria for canning the SOD. Indeed it could be a sign that he's doing something right.

That said, At the end of the day what counts is performance, and Rummy bears a lot of the blame for Iraq getting screwed up. And that's enough for me to ask for his resignation.

If you exclude Rumsfeld's miserable Iraq performance, he has been an exemplary SecDef. His attempts to reorganize the Pentagon's bloated bureaucracy are long overdue.

But given his Iraq debacle, he needs to go. Now.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:47 am

Here is a Link To The Editorial.....

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php

"One rosy reassurance after another has been handed down by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: “mission accomplished,” the insurgency is “in its last throes,” and “back off,” we know what we’re doing, are a few choice examples.

Military leaders generally toed the line, although a few retired generals eventually spoke out from the safety of the sidelines, inciting criticism equally from anti-war types, who thought they should have spoken out while still in uniform, and pro-war foes, who thought the generals should have kept their critiques behind closed doors."
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:16 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 19):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

And voting for the guy who put him there twice?

More worthless input - naturally . . . .  sarcastic 

Where's that LOSER emoticon when you need it. . . .

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
Since these are privately-owned publications, are they not worried they will lose access to the military by criticising the Secretary of Defence ?

We still have freedom of the press in this country dude, despite rumors to the contrary.

Even if a base commander where to prohibit the sales of it from the AAFES Bookstore (I think that would get them fired IMHO) nothing provents them being sold 15 feet out the main gate. So why bother banning it.

Well, I get mine in the US Mail and via the web-site. Can't very well stop the mail now can they.

This isn't the first controversial subject published by the Army Times, they beat the dog piss out of President Carter for instance, it's certainly the most controversial in 20 years - and at this moment in time - carries hell of a lot of weight.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 24):
I know, that wasn't what I was saying. I was concerned that they might not be given access to military facilities and personnel for reporting purposes - interviews, etc. This would be their main source of material, I guess.

I understand your point, however . . . there are thousands of "Anonymous Sources" in the DoD. One way or the other, the info will get out. Hell, USAToday's offices are a stone's throw from Sodom on the Potomac . . . you can see them clearly on the North River Departure/Arrival at DCA.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Far too many senior Flag and General Officers retired - en masse' - rather than work for him. He summarily fired the CoS, Army for disagreeing with him . . . on and on and on . .

While I agree that Rummy should leave (been saying it since 2004), this is not a proper criteria for wanting him fired. For me, it's Iraq and it's messed up aftermath, that's it.

In a manner of speaking you are correct. Just because damn near every senior 4 star bailed out on him shouldn't reflect on his performance. . . .  sarcastic 

That face alone should call into question his ability to lead immediately.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
I thought I was resistant to reality

Judging from our previous "fire-side chats" you are, don't worry.

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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 32):
Judging from our previous "fire-side chats" you are, don't worry.

Ookay - if you say so, your holiness. Let me know when the rapture comes, I'll be sure to wave.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignatio

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 33):
Ookay - if you say so, your holiness. Let me know when the rapture comes, I'll be sure to wave.

Oh JGPH1A, as The Bible, says - no man will no the exact day or hour. Life will continue as it has continued to the very second of the glorious return of Christ.

Now go in peace, my son; this southern-fried hick is late for the gun range and I've still gotta stop at McDonald's and then go preech me some scripture... sarcastic 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:08 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
I understand your point, however . . . there are thousands of "Anonymous Sources" in the DoD. One way or the other, the info will get out. Hell, USAToday's offices are a stone's throw from Sodom on the Potomac . . . you can see them clearly on the North River Departure/Arrival at DCA.

Not any more. USA Today has moved out to a new complex just west of the beltway alongside the Dulles Access Road.

I think Northrop Grumman and ABC 7 have moved into the old USAT digs in Roslyn.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
Not any more. USA Today has moved out to a new complex just west of the beltway alongside the Dulles Access Road.

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Didn't know that. . . .
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:58 pm

A typical, if not expected, reaction from both the Pentagon and the President's loyal terrier...

White House spokesman Tony Snow said the president was told about the editorial, and his reaction was to "shrug it off."

Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman downplayed the "new chorus of criticism."

[It] is actually old news and does not include commanders in the field, who remain committed to the mission," Whitman said.

"The assertion, without evidence, that senior military officers are 'toeing the line' is an insult to their judgment and integrity," he added.


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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:04 pm

This bullshit about Rummy is just a diversion away from the crew that put him there. The Bush backers use Rummy as a scapegoat, but in reality he's no worse than the rest of those bastards.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
You mean a dead boy would be acceptable...?

Certainly not, it is a quote attributed to Huey Long, the former Gov. of Louisiana. He was corrupt as anyone in American political history arguably. He said
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 31):

Again, not germain to the topic. You wanna discuss Rumsfeld or who I voted for???

Trolling for ANCFlyer posts is your usual tack however, so press forward, continue to make an ass out of yourself.

Quoting SATX (Reply 38):
This bullshit about Rummy is just a diversion away from the crew that put him there.

No, in fact it is not. It is NOT a diversion. It is the topic of the thread. And as for PotUS, the person that put him there, he made the right decision, right up until the war in Iraq. At that point Rumsfeld's legacy in the DoD was about to written, and history will find RUMSFELD thrashed the DoD in a time of war from it's most senior ranks wth unfettered resolve. There will be a question posed as to why Bush didn't fire his ass, but that will be the extent of it.

There will be volumes written in Military History as to how Rumsfeld screwed this operation into the ground. There will be a sentence written about Bush keeping him there.

I don't suppose your vitriolic hatred of the right, and of PotUS will allow you to see beyond the tip of your nose, however - you'd be amazed at what is out there in this world, if you'd stop to take a look beyond your own lopsided view. . . .
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Time to go Rummy.

I suppose, GWB will retain him until the evening of 19th January 2009. As his resignation possibly might force GWB and Cheney to resign from office within a short time.
 
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
I suppose, GWB will retain him until the evening of 19th January 2009.

PotUS has already said that will be the case . . . old news MAF.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
As his resignation possibly might force GWB and Cheney to resign from office within a short time.

 laughing  No way in hell. Short of a dead body in Bush's office - no not Cheney after his ticker gives out - there will be no resignation by either. Why should they? On what grounds? And spare me the usual "because they're stupid" drivel. Stupid people wouldn't get re-elected.

If Rumsfeld resigned today - in disgrace - PotUS and VPotUS would finish their terms with nary a speed bump in the highway . . . .
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 42):
Stupid people wouldn't get re-elected.

It's not the stupidity of the elected that determines that, it's the stupidity of the electors  Smile
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 43):
It's not the stupidity of the elected that determines that, it's the stupidity of the electors

While I won't take exception to that, because I like you  wink  I would submit to you that I would feel like a complete jackass for having voted for someone that voted for something before he voted against it.  Smile
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 44):
I would submit to you that I would feel like a complete jackass for having voted for someone that voted for something before he voted against it.

Yes, well - nobody said the other guy was God's gift either. Politicians as a species are weak, venal, easily influenced and utterly unreliable - we generally get the politicians we deserve  Smile (look at Chirac !)

But twice, ANC - TWICE ! Come on, was there a collective caffeine deficiency that day ? This is not rocket science people...  Yeah sure
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 45):
But twice, ANC - TWICE !

Same answer - different Democrat . . .

Mr. I Invented the Internet, or Save the Whales, or No drilling in ANWR, or . . . . .

I have voted Democrat for President in the past. I don't vote the party. Just like this election tomorrow - where my ballot is already cast - where I voted Dem for Governor and my local state legislator, because the possibilities in ANY other party are simply ghastly.

Now, if we'd ALL do that, the US politics would be a whole different ball game wouldn't it. Even my Father - the die hard rightie - voted Dem in the state election this time.

It's a world-wide problem my friend . . . rather than voting for the best person, it's almost exclusively now voting for the least fucked up person.

 scratchchin  Third party anyone???
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
It's a world-wide problem my friend . . . rather than voting for the best person, it's almost exclusively now voting for the least fucked up person.

Third party anyone???

I'm personally in favour of a "Nominate Your Own" system, where everyone gets to name one person (can be absolutely anyone) to be President, and whoever gets the most votes wins - one poll, once.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
Save the Whales

Oi - don't get personal !

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
No drilling in ANWR

Sorry, but I was with him on that one - it's a huge tract of frozen fuck-all - leave it alone and buy smaller cars.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 47):
Sorry, but I was with him on that one - it's a huge tract of frozen fuck-all - leave it alone and buy smaller cars.

I don't dispute YOUR reason. I dispute damn near every other reason I've heard. Remember, I live/work there. I have yet to see a tree that needs saving there. I have not seen any wildlife affected there. I could go on, but you get the idea. Until our media portrays ANWR accurately, I'll browbeat anyone that thinks they'll make a big ENVIRONMENTAL statement by protecting 17 acres of absolutely frackin' nothing. Oh, 17 acres, the total amount of actual land affected . . . .

Don't make me post more pictures of caribou . . .  wink 

Don't make me retell the Bruce Babbit tale . . .  biggrin 

Yes, we MUST use less oil, yes we MUST develop and use alternate fuel sources, yes we MUST reduce our consumption, and YES we MUST drill ANWR. By the by, I wonder how many people already know we're drilling in ANWR???? The offshore rigs that are drilling at an angle and already pulling oil out of the ground there???

See what they don't know is amazing.
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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
Mr. I Invented the Internet

Since we're beating dead horses here, I feel inclined to point out that Al Gore NEVER claimed to have invented the Internet. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," and this statement is absolutely true.

Quoting Vint Cerf, who is widely considered to be one of the "technological founding fathers" of the Internet:

"As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into
an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials
in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured the
passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science."


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RE: Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 48):
Until our media portrays ANWR accurately, I'll browbeat anyone that thinks they'll make a big ENVIRONMENTAL statement by protecting 17 acres of absolutely frackin' nothing.

I disagree - it is a powerful statement about protecting the environment if you deliberately choose to protect a bit that ISN'T pretty, isn't full of cute fluffy animals and noble redwoods - but that you choose to protect it simply because it needs to be protected. There is so little pristine wildnerness left, less and less every day, we have to safeguard the small amount that is already declared protected. 17 acres maybe, to start with, then they find another good site, and it's 170 acres, then 1700. Protected means protected, no means no. If they were drilling for the cure for cancer, I'd reconsider - just not for oil.

Fine if offshore rigs can get to the oil under the reserve, good for them. But leave the land alone.
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