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Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:54 am

I am wondering, is it possible to either fly into Baghdad, or is there any way of travelling West to East through Iraq, perhaps by using trains or other public or possibly private transport. Plus, would it be relatively safe to do so if it was possible?

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
I am wondering, is it possible to either fly into Baghdad, or is there any way of travelling West to East through Iraq, perhaps by using trains or other public or possibly private transport. Plus, would it be relatively safe to do so if it was possible?

If you can afford an armed guard, then yes  Wink


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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
If you can afford an armed guard, then yes

Well, even the Marines with M1 Abrams are far from safe, so even an armed guard wouldn't do a damn thing.
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:24 am

This article sheds some light on what it's like to land in Baghdad...

http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/20...er-november/landing_in_baghdad.php
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Coz (Reply 3):

Wow! Now that would be one amazing landing to do  yes 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:42 am

if you really want to join the few the proud the brave. The marines.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:43 am

Why on earth would you want to?
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 5):
if you really want to join the few the proud the brave. The marines.

Well...he's Spanish...would be kinda hard to join the American Marines...
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

From what I heard on the news last week, take your studies seriously or you will end up stuck in Iraq. Big grin  Big grin
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 6):
Why on earth would you want to?

Well basically I am looking at going to Syria just after Christmas, get on the 747SP, Yak40 and 727, then make a trip to Beirut then go onwards to Jordan and the ancient city of Petra. After that I wanted to go on to Iran so take in the delights of a 707 and a few more old birds. It would be good to take the sleeper train to Tehran, but that is only once a week, and it just doesn't tie in with anything else, so I was thinking overland through Iraq could be a possibility.

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
Well...he's Spanish...would be kinda hard to join the American Marines...

I'm from UK, if that helps Wink The flag is just stuck on Spain!
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:51 am

thats about the only the only way a non-journalist person can get in.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 11):
thats about the only the only way a non-journalist person can get in.

While it might be hard for Americans and Brits, such as our thread starter, it actually is not too hard if you're from somewhere else, especially someplace that doesn't have troops in Iraq. For instance, if I travelled on my Namibian passport, I would just need a passport - in fact, I may not even need a visa, but that depends based on if Iraqi immigration "deems it's necessary". Never really thought about going, but it would not be all that hard to get into Iraq. Might be a lot harder on my American passport though.



Quoting Coz (Reply 3):
This article sheds some light on what it's like to land in Baghdad...

I remember meeting Anderson Cooper, a CNN journalist, and he told me about his flight into Baghdad Airport using the spiral...fascinating thing, I would love to experience and/or see it.
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 12):
Might be a lot harder on my American passport though.

Might be. The only way you can get in if your american is if your in the armed services.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
Might be. The only way you can get in if your american is if your in the armed services.

Walter, stay in chem class.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_921.html


This information is current as of today, Mon Nov 06 19:05:42 2006.


Restrictions on the Use of U.S. Passports for Travel to Iraq Lifted


The Department of State has revoked the restriction on the use of U.S. passports for travel to, in or through Iraq set forth in Public Notice 4283 of February 25, 2003 (68 FR 8791), as amended by Public Notice 4337 of April 16, 2003 (68 FR 18722), as further amended by Public Notice 4366 of May 15, 2003 (68 FR 26371), effective July 14, 2003.

The security threat to all American citizens in Iraq remains high, and our ability to provide emergency services to Americans in Iraq is still very limited. U.S. citizens considering travel to Iraq should consult the current Travel Warning for Iraq and relevant Public Announcements available on the Department of State’s Bureau of Consular Affairs web site, http://travel.state.gov, prior to finalizing travel plans.

Moreover, a U.S. passport does not guarantee entry to Iraq. Information regarding entry and exit requirements for Iraq is available on the Coalition Provisional Authority’s web site at, www.cpa-iraq.org/regulations/index.html.


This Travel Warning updates the current security situation and reiterates the dangers of the use of civilian aircraft and road travel within Iraq. This supersedes the Travel Warning of December 29, 2005 and the Public Announcement dated March 24, 2006.
The Department of State continues to strongly warn U.S. citizens against travel to Iraq, which remains very dangerous. Remnants of the former Ba’ath regime, transnational terrorists, criminal elements and numerous insurgent groups remain active. Attacks against military and civilian targets throughout Iraq continue, including in the International (or “Green”) Zone. Targets include convoys en-route to venues, hotels, restaurants, police stations, checkpoints, foreign diplomatic missions, international organizations and other locations with expatriate personnel. These attacks have resulted in deaths and injuries of American citizens, including those doing humanitarian work. In addition, there have been planned and random killings, as well as extortions and kidnappings. U.S. citizens have been kidnapped and several were subsequently murdered by terrorists in Iraq. U.S. citizens and other foreigners continue to be targeted by insurgent groups and opportunistic criminals for kidnapping and murder. Military operations continue. There are daily attacks against Multinational Forces - Iraq (MNF-I), Iraqi Security Forces and Iraqi Police
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 14):
Walter, stay in chem class.

all right
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 14):

Thank you! Very informative reply  Smile

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:27 am

Dan, you've got a screw loose! Stupid Cornish person. (Oh no I didn't!  Wink )
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 17):
Dan, you've got a screw loose! Stupid Cornish person.

Wrong side of the Tamar, I live in highly civilised Devon, where we have gorgeous creams teas and inside toilets!  Wow! But yes, you're right about the screw lose Big grin
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:55 am

There was a story about a year ago...last December I think it was, about a 16 year old kid in Florida (American but of Middle Eastern descent, IIRC) who ran away to Iraq on his own and successfully made it there, right into the heart of Baghdad...so I don't imagine it would be too hard for Americans to get in...
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 19):
There was a story about a year ago...last December I think it was, about a 16 year old kid in Florida (American but of Middle Eastern descent, IIRC) who ran away to Iraq on his own and successfully made it there, right into the heart of Baghdad...so I don't imagine it would be too hard for Americans to get in...

From my city, or rather, a city that runs into my city......what an idiot....

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
Quoting SW733 (Reply 12):
Might be a lot harder on my American passport though.

Might be. The only way you can get in if your american is if your in the armed services.

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:15 am

Do it and be sure to write a trip report....
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Does your Mommy know you're up this late Walter?

 rotfl 

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 22):
Do it and be sure to write a trip report....

I ill try anything once, so as long as it doesn't get me killed I'm up for it. A trip report would certainly be forthcoming, of any trip like this, so watch out early next year if things do work out  yes 

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:12 am

Americans can get in on a US passport but need a DoD card. If no DoD card (or no contract supporting the coalition effort) i.e a normal civilian you will need a visa or an MNFI card. Other nationalities also need a visa in theory. You can't just come in without a visa since militia starting coming in from Jordan, Syria, Iran to name but a few. However there are gaps you can use to sneak in if you know the system etc.

Also traveling East-West? Bad idea. Huge risk as you'll go through the sunni triangle and the road network means getting a private taxi (cheap $200 or so) to take you from Jordan to Baghdad and then onto Iran which is not safe but a private security escort will cost a few thousand and still isn't safe.

To get in fly from Amman to Baghdad with RJ or IQ Aw and get a visa from the Iraqi Embassy in Amman. However once in IQ you're on your own and you take your life in your own hands.

FYI the spiral is nothing special in itself but the dangers are. Don't worry about the missiles, the mid air collision risk is pretty real and i've almost been killed in the spiral so no false heroics please to get the T-shirt. It's easy imagining it from the comfort of a compter desk in England but when you hear the tcas kick off you're on edge and when on the ground and you've seen your first rocket or mortar attack, have been shot at or have seen dead bodies lying in the streets then you can get your T-shirt.

My advice? Don't come to Iraq.

I'll fly in to Iraq next week but don't expect a trip report.
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:22 am

I don't know how you'd book a flight to SDA, there's nothing bookable in any GDS as far as I can tell - maybe you can book locally in Amman. Personally, I wouldn't go near the place - there's adventurous and there's just plain suicidal, and it would be a shame if your last appearance on a.net was a Youtube of you getting your head cut off (ultimate Emo way to go though  Smile )

Have you not been on a 707, a 727 or an SP ? Nooooobbbb !! I applaud your aim to fly on a YK4 - excellent humour value, steal me a spoon. Petra is fantastic, really good - see if you can get one of the local guides to take you round, much better than a big tour group.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 12):
he told me about his flight into Baghdad Airport using the spiral...fascinating thing, I would love to experience and/or see it.

Used to do those spiral descents into Ondangwa when I did my military service - in Safair L-100's - very cool. Descend to FL100 and spiral in, with an Alo flying cover to check for naughty SAMs. Looking through one of the 3 windows in the flossie, watching the earth below literally spin in a circle, like in a tumble dryer - oooohhh ! Good fun.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting TERRA (Reply 24):

Thank you, I'm not trying false heroics, I am just looking for an interesting way of getting from A to B. I started this thread to see if it would be possible, and if so safe, so I think I have gotten my answer through several replies, including your own. I think I shall be flying, the cheapest is Damascus to Tehran with Gulf Air.

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
would it be relatively safe to do so

There are several A.netters to whom I would say, "sure. Go in to Iraq. It's all milk and cookies." But, for what it's worth, I like you, so I'll be honest and concise.

Your own common sense should prevail when posing this question. What kind of risk are you willing to take? Do you have any specific skills or knowledge that you could employ in case of emergency or attack? Have you ever had to respond under threat of death? With 3,000 of the best soldiers in the world dead, what makes you think you can make this trip? If you go driving off through the desert, in a private car, in a cab, with an escort, whatever the case may be, you are going to be intercepted, and more than likely by less than friendly people.

As far as flying goes, that is infinitely more safe. Just don't think that you can take a country drive from one border to the other.

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
Used to do those spiral descents into Ondangwa when I did my military service - in Safair L-100's - very cool

How neat! When was this? Namibian independence? Angolan civil war? Sometime else?
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
it would be a shame if your last appearance on a.net was a Youtube of you getting your head cut off (ultimate Emo way to go though

Absolutely, if I was Emo that is Wink

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 27):
Your own common sense should prevail when posing this question. What kind of risk are you willing to take? Do you have any specific skills or knowledge that you could employ in case of emergency or attack? Have you ever had to respond under threat of death? With 3,000 of the best soldiers in the world dead, what makes you think you can make this trip? If you go driving off through the desert, in a private car, in a cab, with an escort, whatever the case may be, you are going to be intercepted, and more than likely by less than friendly people.

Indeed, I agree with everything that you have said, but I also have a strong sense of adventure and love visiting new places, so there was a hope in my question that somehow it would have been possible to visit  Smile My grandfather used to work planning oil pipelines in the Middle East and has told me of many unique places in all of the countries, including Iraq, hopefully given enough time it will once again become a stable enough place to visit, as I would not be carrying a firearm, and although going around with armed guards would be an experience, I don't think I'd actually see much of the country itself.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
Have you not been on a 707, a 727 or an SP ? Nooooobbbb !! I applaud your aim to fly on a YK4 - excellent humour value, steal me a spoon. Petra is fantastic, really good - see if you can get one of the local guides to take you round, much better than a big tour group.

I've had the opportunity to fly the 727 countless times with IB, but I never fancied it at the time, really wish I had now though! I'll only get you a spoon if I won't be extradited for doing so Wink

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 28):
How neat! When was this? Namibian independence? Angolan civil war? Sometime else?

Both, really - it was in 1986/1987, did the trip a few times. I was never in actual combat, thank goodness. Not my favourite part of the world, in any case. You've seen one thorn tree, you've seen 'em all.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 29):
I'll only get you a spoon if I won't be extradited for doing so

It's OK, you can post it to me from jail, I don't mind waiting.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 29):
I also have a strong sense of adventure and love visiting new places, so there was a hope in my question that somehow it would have been possible to visit

suggest you contact Mr Yousef Abu Ras of Teebah Airlines in Amman under telephone +962-79-6955956 or E: flightec@mec.com.jp . He is Iraqi but living in Amman and flying for Iraqi Airways and is exceedingly well informed. Spoke with him on the phone sometimes in the past, he is really good .
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 30):
It's OK, you can post it to me from jail, I don't mind waiting.

Fat chance Wink

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 31):
suggest you contact Mr Yousef Abu Ras of Teebah Airlines in Amman under telephone +962-79-6955956 or E: flightec@mec.com.jp . He is Iraqi but living in Amman and flying for Iraqi Airways and is exceedingly well informed. Spoke with him on the phone sometimes in the past, he is really good

Thank you, very interesting - I shall send him an email  Smile
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 32):
Fat chance

Fine - be like that ! I'll wait until you're released, in 30-40 years. Or just steal my own. :-P
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
Well...he's Spanish...would be kinda hard to join the American Marines...

No it's not, it he can obtain US residency (re: Green Card), he can join up.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:34 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 33):
Fine - be like that ! I'll wait until you're released, in 30-40 years. Or just steal my own. :-P

You are welcome to come along, on the condition that I get the window seats, and that you don't steal my deserts  Wink  duck 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
You are welcome to come along, on the condition that I get the window seats, and that you don't steal my deserts

Dream on. I ALWAYS get the window seat, it is a law of the Medes and the Persians and cannot be changed. Besides, I am the one with the GDS, remember, you will be assigned last row middle next to a smelly person.

I make no guarantees about the desserts either.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 36):
Dream on. I ALWAYS get the window seat, it is a law of the Medes and the Persians and cannot be changed. Besides, I am the one with the GDS, remember, you will be assigned last row middle next to a smelly person.

I make no guarantees about the desserts either.

It could almost be worth it to see you squeeze yourself aboard a Yak40  silly  Big grin

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:47 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 37):
It could almost be worth it to see you squeeze yourself aboard a Yak40

They do have teeny little doors. We were parked up next to several YK4's at Astana en route to Almaty, and I did actually wonder if the main cabin door was a proper door, or just an emergency exit. Maybe the rear door/stairs is the only normal way to get in and out.
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:52 pm

Definatly dont go unless u want to end up on a Sky news being shown on a vid Cam tied up about to be killed

N0 Security will help you, as mentioned before the US are sturgling to control the place even with their Military power

I agree to visit these places would be nice but right now theres some real weird people out there who wont be too friendly to you
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Thomson735 (Reply 39):
the US are sturgling

How painful ! I've heard of that:

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 26):
I think I shall be flying, the cheapest is Damascus to Tehran with Gulf Air.

Blimey, Goof Air or a taxi across IQ? Now that is brave.  laughing  I'd sooner take the taxi. I'll send a number of a guy i know who'll take you in a car for $200  scratchchin . Really though you are right to ask and it makes a good thread and please don't think it was a personal attack on you for suggesting it. You asked for the advice and some of us will tell the real deal.

My brother in law was robbed whilst in a taxi earlier this year whilst travelling from Baghdad to Amman when he was nearing the Jordanian border. He was let go after losing all his money and documents but was luckily left alive after pleading for his life.

Such is normal life in Iraq.
 
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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 38):
Maybe the rear door/stairs is the only normal way to get in and out.

Had one fly into LBA once, and yes the rear door/stairs is the normal way to get in/out. Was a strange little a/c, very dark and dim inside from what I remember. Wish I'd paid more attention when I went onboard it !!. Can't even remember what airline it was !!.

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RE: Is It Possible To Travel Through Iraq?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:08 am

Geezer Dan, I went to Iran last month and had two flights on Saha's 707s, comparable to Concorde, original 60s interiors and just the most gorgeous machines, especially in 2006. Also flew on a Tu204 (awful) and an Iran Aseman 727 (nearly as nice as the seven-oh, lovely flight). Iran itself was a mindblowing surprise, tonnes of ancient history and culture, and hands-down the friendliest people on earth.

Right now, I'm sure Iraq couldn't be more different - a cab ride from Saddam Int'l into town will cost you $10,000 USD, three cars, a dozen bodyguards etc. Rather you than me old bean.

Lebanon is a lovely country, if Iran was half the size of Wales basically. Hottest girls on Planet Earth. Local beer is outstanding. Embarrassingly friendly people. Shame MEA have parked the 707s but that's why the good lord have us Saha of Iran.

Finally, I'm not a fan of Syria, dusty police state last time I checked. And you have a better chance of getting on an Iranair 747SP, Syrianair substitute A320s without warning pretty much half the time, whereas Iranair will fly you oneway from Tehran to Tokyo via Seoul or Beijing on an SP for £303. That's an eight hour leg followed by a 70 minute leg, and you definitely won't find an A320 at the gate when you check in.

Feel free to contact me through my profile if you'd like to know more about Iran or Lebanon. Also a great article about Iran in the "articles" section of this site.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz

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