Palladium
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The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:19 am

Who is here agree with me that "SPEED LIMIT" on US Interstate should be lifted ?

Speed limit is soo lame... and they should get rid of the speed limit rules on the US Interstate. I don't mind having speed limit on school zone, city roads, but on Interstate ?

US Interstate speed limit is between 60MPH - 70MPH that's like 97km/h to 110km/h and that's too freaking slow. With this kind of speed limit, people will feel sleepy while they driving. and that could result in accident.

Now try this, if there is no SPEED LIMIT, people will drive faster and they tend to concentrate more on the road and I will bet you 1000000$$ they won't feel sleepy.

I tried this before, whenever I feel sleepy, I drive faster and suddenly i dont feel sleepy anymore 'cos I my brain and eyes suddenly tend to concentrate on the road.

And I don't think with or without speed limit will reduce the number of accident. They are the same.

what are you guys thought?
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
I tried this before, whenever I feel sleepy, I drive faster and suddenly i dont feel sleepy anymore 'cos I my brain and eyes suddenly tend to concentrate on the road.

You're going to kill someone. Hopefully just yourself.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
what are you guys thought?

Get a radar detector, there's not a chance in hell they'll lift the speed limits.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:25 am

Most people tend to pull over whenever they are feeling sleepy. Preferably to catch some shut eye at a hotel/lay by?! Not drive faster!!

I think speed limits save lives. They wouldn't be enforced if they had no purpose.

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:26 am

Montana and I believe Nevada had a resonable and prudent speed limit on the interstates back in the 70's. But here is a news flash, the majority of American drivers DO NOT have the necessary driving skills to travel at 100+ MPH. Lets see talking on a cell phone, eating a Big Mac, text messaging while traveling at a high rate of speed = disaster.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
I tried this before, whenever I feel sleepy, I drive faster and suddenly i dont feel sleepy anymore 'cos I my brain and eyes suddenly tend to concentrate on the road.

Studies upon studies prove your point is incorrect. Driving across I-70 in Kansas during dark, falling asleep at 80-100 mph will only result in more damage..
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:32 am

Not to mention, the fuel economy of virtually all vehicles goes straight into the dump after about 75 mph.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
US Interstate speed limit is between 60MPH - 70MPH

Actually they range from a minimum of 45mph to a maximum of 80mph (unless extenuating circumstances occur such as construction zones, etc...). That being said, your argument is ludicrous. When you feel sleepy, you drive faster? Do yourself (and everyone else on the road) a favor and destroy your drivers license and ride a bicycle. You're going to kill yourself, or worse, someone else.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:40 am



Lifting the speed limit in certain areas makes plenty of sense. Out west, on long, straight, empty stretches of highway, for example.

As speed limits are raised, however, I think three things need to happen.

First, driver training should be taken more seriously. Judging by the skills and awareness (or lack thereof) of many drivers, licenses are being handed out like Halloween candy. No disrespect intended, but this seems to be especially evident among foreigners that are new to the country.

Second, there should be some form of recurrent training, particularly for the elderly.

Third, moving violations should be administered for the sake of safety, rather than as a source of income for the respective police departments and communities. Instead of ticketing drivers for exceeding the speed limit by 5 or 6 miles per hour, for example, police should take a stronger stance on basic idiocy. Driving without headlights on during the twilight hours or in inclement weather, failing to recognize the left lane of a highway is a passing lane, tailgating (this is a major one), failure to signal, etc, etc. The list of examples goes on.

Basic sloppiness and carelessness seems to kill a lot more people than mild speeding.


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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
Actually they range from a minimum of 45mph to a maximum of 80mph

hah.... LOL I got pullover for driving 65MPH on 60MPH LIMIT on Interstate....

that's just soo gay.... 5MPH over the speed limit on I-90 and the cop told me that it's not ok to drive 65, 60 - 63 still OK...urrr I was like -.-"""

lucky he didnt write me any ticket cos if he did, I'll be complaining a lot.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
what are you guys thought?

18 wheeler + 90 mph = big messy death pile.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting Palladium (Reply 8):
that's just soo gay.... 5MPH over the speed limit on I-90 and the cop told me that it's not ok to drive 65, 60 - 63 still OK...urrr I was like -.-"""

lucky he didnt write me any ticket cos if he did, I'll be complaining a lot.

Homophobic language aside, you'd complain if a police officer wrote you a ticket for breaking the law?
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:52 am

AirCop referenced commonsense points, which you, Palladium, in your formative but still unlearned early 20's have evidently not had the chance to address in an emergency.

Not only are your sophomoric driving skills (as surely as 80% of ALL USA drivers irrespective of age) a danger to yourself and other motorists at higher speeds, I'll wager that 80% of vehicles in the USA are actually dangerous machines at higher speeds because of lack of owner attention (or basic disrepair).

Most people don't have a clue as to the speed rating of their tires, let along even to bother checking inflation pressures or securing movable objects within the cabin. Ever "overdriven" your headlights lately? Probably.

Do you automatically glance in the rearview mirror(s) at least every 10 - 15 seconds? Do you automatically glance at you systems functions guages and dials every 30 - 45 seconds?

Even if you are aware and follow commonsense operating procedures, be aware that most others DON'T and if you insist that you are one of the few gifted high speed public roads drivers you'll still probably get whacked out because the other unwashed masses (or a deer or turkey buzzard) won't expect your closing rate of speed.

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Palladium (Reply 8):
hah.... LOL I got pullover for driving 65MPH on 60MPH LIMIT on Interstate....

Ah yes. Now we see what your bitch truly is. It's not the speed limits you have a problem with, it's having to abide by them.
And, "LOL", if you want to be taken seriously, "LOL", try and speak on a level that doesn't make you look like a 3rd grader whose using daddy's computer. "LOL"
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
Who is here agree with me that "SPEED LIMIT" on US Interstate should be lifted ?

I agree that it should be lifted where it would be, well, reasonable and prudent. That would be places like West Texas (recently raised to 80mph), Central California and many other sparsly trafficed areas. What should be enforced are safe driving laws, such as passing on the left only and signalling

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
Montana and I believe Nevada had a resonable and prudent speed limit on the interstates back in the 70's.

Montana's lasted into the 1990s
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
Montana and I believe Nevada had a resonable and prudent speed limit on the interstates back in the 70's.

Um...not so sure about way back when...but just a half dozen years ago Montana was "Reasonable and Prudent". It was a very nice...  bigthumbsup 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:58 am

Its been my experience that folks in general need to master the intricacies of driving at slow speeds before they think about hammerin' down.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
Speed limit is soo lame

Excellent argument for your point! Nothing says n00b like an unsubstatiated opinion.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
With this kind of speed limit, people will feel sleepy while they driving.

Huh? Just because a safe and prudent speed restriction may be too boring for you, it certainly doesn't leave me disinterested to the point where I fall asleep.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
Now try this, if there is no SPEED LIMIT, people will drive faster and they tend to concentrate more on the road and I will bet you 1000000$$ they won't feel sleepy.

I'll wager an equally absurd and made-up figure that no self-respecting grandma in her twenty year-old Caprice is going to bump her comfortable speed from 45 to 105 just because she can. With no limit, how do you propose dealing with slower traffic? My mother-in-law digs her nails into my door handle and armrest if I drive 65 and makes little suggestive glances at my speedometer. I know I'm not alone in this.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
what are you guys thought?

I think you should've reconsidered hitting the "post new topic" link.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
Not to mention, the fuel economy of virtually all vehicles goes straight into the dump after about 75 mph.

Are you sure it is 75? Every chart I've seen has depicted it at or around 60mph and dropping sharply after that.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
what are you guys thought?

Do we only get one thought?

Fair enough, the thought is: Bad Idea.

Seriously, you're pretty much giving total credence to the higher insurance rates for drivers our age. Which, frankly, I resent. We're already some of the more unsafe drivers on the road; you don't have to go out of your way to make that more obvious.

In recent years (I'm 24 now), I've actually calmed my driving down a lot. Commuting 25 miles each way to work every day will do that to you. Not to mention, there's a lot more to life than gunning it down an empty stretch of highway. Besides, I've never gotten a (speeding) ticket, and I don't intend to start getting them now.

I used to think I was a great driver. As I got a few more years of driving under my belt, I started to realize that while I'm a pretty good driver, I'm not the best out there, nor am I the worst. I wouldn't trust myself to drive 90-100 mph for long stretches of time.

I should say that I pretty much agree with 2H4's points, but they should happen whether or not the speed limit gets raised.

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:08 am

I agree with this point that you raise above 2H4...

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
First, driver training should be taken more seriously. Judging by the skills and awareness (or lack thereof) of many drivers, licenses are being handed out like Halloween candy. No disrespect intended, but this seems to be especially evident among foreigners that are new to the country.



Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
I tried this before, whenever I feel sleepy, I drive faster and suddenly i dont feel sleepy anymore 'cos I my brain and eyes suddenly tend to concentrate on the road.

What brain?

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
people will drive faster

When people crash whilst travelling at higher speeds, they cause greater injuries to themselves and those that they crash into.

Quoting Palladium (Reply 8):
lucky he didnt write me any ticket cos if he did, I'll be complaining a lot.

Shame he didn't write you a ticket if you ask me. YOU broke the law, YOU should face the consequences. Stop being a cry-baby.

 Yeah sure

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
Not to mention, the fuel economy of virtually all vehicles goes straight into the dump after about 75 mph.

My car gets better economy at 90 than at 75
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting Jpax (Reply 16):
Are you sure it is 75? Every chart I've seen has depicted it at or around 60mph and dropping sharply after that.

He's probably right.

By experimenting, I've found that my Yeep gets it's peak fuel economy at about 71-72mph... and I'm certain Yeep's aren't the most efficient highway vehicles. I'd expect normal vehicles to be higher.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 18):

Shame he didn't write you a ticket if you ask me. YOU broke the law, YOU should face the consequences. Stop being a cry-baby.

LOL... don't tell me u never speed up over 5MPH from the speed limit...
millions people drive 65MPH+ on interstate. What I'm trying to say is the tolerance.... if you drive 5 mph over the speed limit, it should be ok....
5mph over ( u wont feel the difference)
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:17 am

Actually it is pretty easy way to solve the problem about speeding...
lol like make every car in US to be able only go for 70MPH as the top speed...
that'll do.... I wonder what will be the reaction from the people...
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting Palladium (Reply 21):
don't tell me u never speed up over 5MPH from the speed limit...

I didn't say that, but for the record, usually I try not to exceed speed limits. I suspect that you might be a compulsive speeder, am I right?

Quoting Palladium (Reply 21):
What I'm trying to say is the tolerance

What I'm trying to say is that if you didn't exceed the limit, then you wouldn't have to worry about tolerances would you?

Quoting Palladium (Reply 21):
5mph over ( u wont feel the difference)

I suspect you would feel the difference after a collision.

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:30 am

Another uninformed idea, Palladium (Rep 22).

Speed governors make cars inherently UNsafer because limiting the total performance characteristics also limits sometimes necessary (and possibly critical) response envelopes in emergency situations.

I guess my opinion is that you spend some serious time learning about self-operated machinery before actually operating it yourself. Best wishes, and g'nite...jack
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
I agree that it should be lifted where it would be, well, reasonable and prudent. That would be places like West Texas (recently raised to 80mph), Central California and many other sparsly trafficed areas. What should be enforced are safe driving laws, such as passing on the left only and signalling

I agree.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Montana's lasted into the 1990s

Correction on this. It was only for a few years in the mid 1990s.

Interestingly enough, accidents and death rates dropped when there was no speed limits. When the speed limits went up, accident and death ratios went up.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
the majority of American drivers DO NOT have the necessary driving skills to travel at 100+ MPH.

Herein lies the flaw in all of these raise or abolish speed limit arguments. Good drivers may well drive safely at much higher limits but that hardly includes most drivers. We can't have folks driving at vastly different speeds on the same roads, fast lane or no, especially in high density traffic areas. This is often advocated in the Car and Driver "Driving And The Law" forum but its champions refuse to acknowledge the foolhardiness of mixing freeway racers with plodding senior-driven cars and soccer moms carting around kids. It's totally impractical in too many areas to make faster driving safe with drivers of such varied skill so it's insane to propose Autobahn velocities on U.S. roads.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
Interestingly enough, accidents and death rates dropped when there was no speed limits. When the speed limits went up, accident and death ratios went up.

like I've said people will tend to concentrate more when they driving faster than slower.

sleepiness, sloppy driving, careless, DUI = will result in accident
but speeding up little bit under good driving condition = hard to get an accident
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting Palladium (Reply 27):
like I've said people will tend to concentrate more when they driving faster than slower.

sleepiness, sloppy driving, careless, DUI = will result in accident
but speeding up little bit under good driving condition = hard to get an accident

1. You need to learn some English writing skills.
2. What you're saying makes no sense. You should concentrate at all times
3. It is easy to get into an accident at 25mph and at 95mph.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Second, there should be some form of recurrent training, particularly for the elderly.

When you can keep renewing your license every 7 or 8 years over the internet - I can't fathom how that keeps everyone in check.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
I tried this before, whenever I feel sleepy, I drive faster

There is some truth to this, but only to a certain extent. Yes, increasing your speed will force yourself into focusing better - that certainly works for me. But one cannot sustain very long forcing yourself to stay awake despite great fatigue - it's only a good short term trick.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
But here is a news flash, the majority of American drivers DO NOT have the necessary driving skills to travel at 100+ MPH.

Here's a good euphanism - "Government standards = Catering to the idiots." I generally don't live my life by what the government thinks is acceptable for me. I think of speed limits as suggestions, but I'd rather go the speed that I feel is comfortable for me without endangering myself or others. I believe I'm an above average intelligent person, capable of using logic and thought to produce correct results.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:53 am




Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 29):
"Government standards = Catering to the idiots."

It is definitely frustrating to be held to the lowest common denominator....



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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
and they should get rid of the speed limit rules on the US Interstate

Not with the quality of our driver training. Some people who are behind the wheel shouldn't even be operating a bicycle.

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
people will drive faster and they tend to concentrate more on the road

Most drivers are just along for the ride. They are not thinking about the road ahead. Driving faster will only get them to the scene of the accident quicker.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
the majority of American drivers DO NOT have the necessary driving skills to travel at 100+ MPH

That and I'd wager that our roads are not build to the standards they should be for high speed travel. Ruts, potholes, cracks, etc.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting Palladium (Reply 27):

like I've said people will tend to concentrate more when they driving faster than slower.

sleepiness, sloppy driving, careless, DUI = will result in accident
but speeding up little bit under good driving condition = hard to get an accident

If this is so for you....it's not for everyone else I've ever met. Then when they go off the road and we show up we always get the excuse "I swerved for a deer." They're never driving too fast, not even in the sports cars. Driving faster is not however a way to drive safer. You may feel more pumped, but the fact is that you have much less time to react.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 14):
Um...not so sure about way back when...but just a half dozen years ago Montana was "Reasonable and Prudent". It was a very nice...

That was nice actually. Our trauma rate has gone up since then, but I think that is due to the tourists we're getting nowadays. I was a kid then so I missed out. :P Also, the fact that you could still be pulled over weeded out the crazy people, but people doing 80 instead of 75 did not get nabbed as happens today.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:41 am

Here in Venezuela there's no speed limit anywhere. Do we have accidents? Yes we do, but the road-accidents death ratio is very similar to the United States which has speed limits and tough drink&drive laws. Here in Venezuela you can drive while being drunk without any problem.

Is this the right way to handle car traffic? Of course NOT! but it tells you that USA interstate highways WON'T become "death traps" like some here have said if the speed limit is either raised or eliminated.

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 3):
I think speed limits save lives. They wouldn't be enforced if they had no purpose.

Until American drivers learn lane discipline, I would not recommend higher speeds. The average American driver simply is not disciplined enough to handle European-style speeds.

One example: Go to Germany and sit in almost any car. Do you see any cup holders? NO!!! Because when you are behind the wheel, should be concentrating on driving, not feeding.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 33):
very similar to the United States which has speed limits and tough drink&drive laws

I'd like to say something about the drinking and driving laws *puts on flamesuit because I know what's coming.*

While I thouroughly know why drinking and driving laws are put in place and am not questioning why they are there, I must confess I think I am a better driver on 1 or 2 beers. When sober, I tend to be impatient, change lanes, and get really angry with other drivers. With a couple of beers, I tend to mellow out, relax, drive a little slower, and just go with the flow of the traffic. From that standpoint, they way society makes people caught drinking and driving out to be one level down from murders does seem a little overblown. I'd like to think I'm very mature when I drink - I don't cause fights, don't overstep serious boundaries, and if I know I'm gonna get sh*tfaced, I'll make sure someone else drives. There are those who don't have the same level of maturity and that's why the laws are in place. I just had to get that off my chest though.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 34):
One example: Go to Germany and sit in almost any car. Do you see any cup holders? NO!!! Because when you are behind the wheel, should be concentrating on driving, not feeding.

Actually, they do have cup holders in plenty of German cars, but the point is made

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 34):
The average American driver simply is not disciplined enough to handle European-style speeds.

I disagree. I just think that American driver's training/education/testing doesn't compare to that in Germany, nor does the enforcement of our actual driving safety laws.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 35):
HPLASOps

Assuming that you are correct for yourself for whatever fluke of nature, the major majority of people who drink and drive do at some point cause accidents. However, there is a difference between being drunk and having a beer. Just be careful. All the people we get that are wasted have only have one beer too.  Wink

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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:20 pm

Here is a little tip:

If a speed sign says " Speed Limit 65 MPH", normally 66 MPH- 72 MPH won't get you a ticket. BUT, if the sign says " Maximum Speed 65 MPH, any cop will pull you over for even being clocked in at 66-67 MPH.

Take a look, some signs say speed limit while others do say maximum speed.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
Who is here agree with me that "SPEED LIMIT" on US Interstate should be lifted

Not me. The vast majority of American drivers aren't capable of operating their vehicles at unrestricted high speeds.

I would agree that the top speeds could be raised on selected rural interstates, but a total lifting? No way.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:52 pm




Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
I disagree. I just think that American driver's training/education/testing doesn't compare to that in Germany, nor does the enforcement of our actual driving safety laws.

I think Cfalk is spot on. All the training, education, and testing in the world will be of absolutely no use without the proper discipline to use good judgement.



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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:54 pm

Quoting Palladium (Reply 8):

lucky he didnt write me any ticket cos if he did, I'll be complaining a lot.

You already are complaining a lot.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 35):
With a couple of beers, I tend to mellow out, relax, drive a little slower, and just go with the flow of the traffic.

Yes, the proverbial, "couple of beers". It's that mellowing out, relaxing feeling that you describe (also known as "impairment"), that, quite often leads to traffic collisions.
 
deltaownsall
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:10 pm

blasphemy...what the hell do you expect 'law enforcement' to do without speed limits? Focus on real criminals!?
 
Halcyon
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 42):

Yes, the proverbial, "couple of beers"

Hmmm...yes, meant a couple in my last post, not one. Oops.
 
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting DeltaOwnsAll (Reply 43):
what the hell do you expect 'law enforcement' to do without speed limits? Focus on real criminals!?

Excellent point! Why should we bother enforcing speed limits. Everyone knows "real criminals" drive the speed limit when fleeing from "real crimes".
 
deltaownsall
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 45):
Everyone knows "real criminals" drive the speed limit when fleeing from "real crimes".

lol~
 
BladeLWS
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:56 pm

NO ONE pays attention to the speed limit on the interstates, especially I-95.

If you got the speed limit you better be in the right lane or you'll be run off. Usually in the left lane everyone is going 80-90, holding about 75-80 in the center lanes. The cops don't care cause they can't stop everyone, and heck they go over 90 without the lights on...

On certain portions of the NJ Turnpike for example, they could jack the speeds up to 80-85 with no problems. There is NOTHING along that road for over 50 miles in some sections.

[Edited 2006-11-09 05:58:02]
 
MDorBust
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 47):
The cops don't care cause they can't stop everyone, and heck they go over 90 without the lights on...

I must have missed that memo at roll call.
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RE: The End Of "speed Limit"?

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting Jpax (Reply 16):
Are you sure it is 75? Every chart I've seen has depicted it at or around 60mph and dropping sharply after that.

Depends a great deal on the drag coefficient of your car, its transmission, etc.

I drive a fairly aerodynamic sedan with a 5-speed overdrive gear, so I can obviously cruise faster than an boxy car with an old-school 3/4-speed transmission.

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