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Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:17 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/pelosi.interview/index.html

Looks like there will be an early chance for the Democratic congress to demonstrate their sincerity and choice of direction. She did leave open the likelihood of investigation.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/pelosi.interview/index.html

Looks like there will be an early chance for the Democratic congress to demonstrate their sincerity and choice of direction. She did leave open the likelihood of investigation.

Likelihood?  rotfl  you are dreaming. While we are going to hear all sorts of "we can work together" platitudes over the next 60 days, the sh*t is going to hit the fan now that the Senate is in democratic hands.

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Pelosi, however, has previously said that a Democratic-led Congress will no longer serve as a "rubber stamp" for the president's policies, and that an investigation of events that led to the U.S.-led war in Iraq is likely as part of the checks-and-balances system built into the Constitution.

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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:43 pm

The same democratic party that has recently called for impeachment of the president? Right. They have been able to get away with making all sorts of threats and big talk because they were out of power. No one could blame them for not following through. Now that they just want to get along? Time will tell...
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:47 pm

Well, Rummy's head rolled already.

I suspect that in the first 3 months it will all be nicey-nicey and Pelosi will hammer through legislation (enforcing all the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission, for instance).

Once that's done and the Dems have some legislation under their belts, the heads will start rolling.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
I suspect that in the first 3 months it will all be nicey-nicey and Pelosi will hammer through legislation (enforcing all the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission, for instance).

Not until they can get 2/3rds of both houses to overrule the veto's that are sure to come. We will get a guest worker visa bill, that's a foregone conclusion, a new federal minimum wage, since 29 states already have a higher than federal minimum that's a no brainer, an probably a more expensive prescription drug bill. vomit 

When I hear Conyers, Waxman, or Rangel say they can and want to work together with this President, then I might start to believe there is a chance for bipartisanship.  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Since the majorities are so slim, whatever happened to that dem notion of "sharing power" with "co-chairs"? Seems that when the majority is on the other foot, some ideas that sounded great slip through the cracks. no pun intended!  wink 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:00 am

I hope the Dems concern themselves more with governing and working for competant government so that they showcase thier abilities for '08. The electorate has given them a chance at governing, they should not blow it. Many in the democrats do want retribution for what happened to Clinton, I do hope thier better instincts takeover though. It is ironic that the republican's are now talking about how the democrats will open investigations, et all, and easliy forget the Clinton affair on their hands.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
She did leave open the likelihood of investigation.

Well, we very much need a serious investigation of what happened in the days and weeks leading up to the war, don't we.

Just because an investigation is launched doesn't mean that the Democrats are "out for revenge." Being out for revenge would mean doing what the Republicans did to Clinton during his 8 years in office; investigation after investigation after investigation..., as well as refusing to work with the Republicans to pass legislation.

I don't know if I believe that some of that will not happen, but there's a big difference between launching one or two specific, serious investigations, and being "out for revenge".

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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):

Revenge is coming, whether you believe it or not.

Bingo! There have already been previous reports of Democrats creating an investigation list.

Quoting LH477 (Reply 5):
I hope the Dems concern themselves more with governing and working for competant government so that they showcase thier abilities for '08

At least now the GOP will have a chance to go on the offensive in '08, instead of playing defensive cards.

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 6):
Well, we very much need a serious investigation of what happened in the days and weeks leading up to the war, don't we.

Yeah, it was called the 9/11 commission...
 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:07 am

Pelosi and friends have nothing but revenge on their hearts and minds. I'm not saying that it will happen on January or even February, but it will happen. Nancy cannot and will not control the old gray liberal hags such as Dingell, Waxman, and Conyers and Rangel. They want Bush's head on a platter and they don't care what Rahm Emanuel or the Clintonistas say about it. Their left wing wants blood and the chairman are going to give it to them.

A Republican should feel safer in Tikrit without a bulletproof vest than in the House committee rooms come next year.

BTW, Rumsfeld's exit didn't even come close to satisfying the far left. They want Cheney and Condi as appetizers and Bush himself as the main dish. Republicans would do well to remember that unlike Clinton, the media will support any impeachment effort this time (how surprising).
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 6):
Just because an investigation is launched doesn't mean that the Democrats are "out for revenge." Being out for revenge would mean doing what the Republicans did to Clinton during his 8 years in office; investigation after investigation after investigation..., as well as refusing to work with the Republicans to pass legislation.

I don't know if I believe that some of that will not happen, but there's a big difference between launching one or two specific, serious investigations, and being "out for revenge".

I'm pretty liberal, but I have to say that while you make a valid distinction between investigation and revenge, your post comes across with a bit of "well, they did it to us, so we'll do it to them." The best thing for this country would be to look to the future, and we need to find a way to elect officials who have this type of vision. If the newly-elected crop turns out to be more about Dem vs. Rep, then we, as voters, have failed. And we will continue to fail whether we vote right or left in the future.

Certainly there must be opposite views on all issues, but there must be a way to allow differences of opinion to be fairly compromised on both sides.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):
Revenge is coming, whether you believe it or not.

What goes around. . . comes around.  Smile

I for one, am looking forward to the next two years. In fact, I got a trip to Rio next week and I plan to celebrate the Dem victory there in a huge way.

It's going to be a lot of fun to see Dumbya and his neo-con cronies squirm!  Cool
 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 6):
Being out for revenge would mean doing what the Republicans did to Clinton during his 8 years in office; investigation after investigation after investigation..., as well as refusing to work with the Republicans to pass legislation.

Well you got part of that right!
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Turbo7x7 (Reply 10):
It's going to be a lot of fun to see Dumbya and his neo-con cronies squirm!

Enjoy yourself. But realize that the mandate is for change in Iraq and no sleaze in the halls of congress. But for outright impeachment or other things that you and your far left friends want so badly, I don't think so.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:20 am

I would love for Bush to be impeached, however that won't make the situation any better. Dem's need to offer constructive criticsm and moderate solutions, not have a witch hunt. It's not good for them nor the US. Hopefully the leadership of the Dem's can raise above partisan politics and work of govern effectively, just as Arnie has done in the California.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 12):
But realize that the mandate is for change in Iraq

If that is the case, why is Joe Lieberman headed back the Senate as an Independent when his opponent based his whole campaign on getting us out of Iraq? This election was about far more than just Iraq.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 9):
I'm pretty liberal, but I have to say that while you make a valid distinction between investigation and revenge, your post comes across with a bit of "well, they did it to us, so we'll do it to them."

That's funny; what I was trying to say is that the democrats should not pull a "they did it to us, so we'll do it to them."

Now, I'm not at all sure that they actually won't, but I definitely think they shouldn't. However, I am also quite sure that if even one investigation is started, certain members of this board as well as the American public will be screaming REVENGE, REVENGE, whether it's true or not.

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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:50 am

Of course the Dems feel it's pay back time for the Republicans. Some form of revenge is on the horizon. It's human nature.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
If that is the case, why is Joe Lieberman headed back the Senate as an Independent when his opponent based his whole campaign on getting us out of Iraq? This election was about far more than just Iraq.

This conservative is a fan of Liebermen . However , Joe L wasn't black listed from the Media since he was a Lib Dem [ran as an I].

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 7):
Bingo! There have already been previous reports of Democrats creating an investigation list.

Then they should put on their list : Harry Reid & Murtha !

Oh , I forgot . The Liberal Media does go after Liberal Dems as the do Republicans .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/10/11/AR2006101101640.html

Reid Land Deal Under Scrutiny
Senator Confers With Ethics Panel on Disclosure Requirements

By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 12, 2006; Page A03

Harry M. Reid of Nevada, the Senate's top Democrat, said yesterday that he was in discussions with the chamber's ethics committee to determine whether he should amend his financial disclosure forms to include details of a real estate transaction that allowed him to collect $1.1 million.


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(CNSNews.com) - Members of the press have given extensive and glowing coverage to Rep. John Murtha's criticism of the war in Iraq, but have overlooked a number of other controversies the Pennsylvania Democrat has experienced over the past 25 years. This includes his reported role as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Abscam bribery scandal of the late 1970s and early 1980s.
 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 15):
I am also quite sure that if even one investigation is started, certain members of this board as well as the American public will be screaming REVENGE, REVENGE, whether it's true or not.

That is a certainty!!! Can't you just hear them now?
 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):
Revenge is coming, whether you believe it or not.

Revenge? Despite your premature ranting, this sounds more like justice and accountability to me. Massive screw ups deserve investigations. Anything less would be shameful.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Charger (Reply 18):
That is a certainty!!! Can't you just hear them now?

You mean like they're doing in this thread?  Wink

I hope Pelosi and crew take the high road. I think that single act would earn them more political capital than any legislation they could pass. The election was as much about voter disgust with the pervasive partisanship and corruption in Washington, and while I don't think anybody is expecting much different from the Dems, they could really earn points by proving them wrong.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
BTW, Rumsfeld's exit didn't even come close to satisfying the far left. They want Cheney and Condi as appetizers and Bush himself as the main dish. Republicans would do well to remember that unlike Clinton, the media will support any impeachment effort this time (how surprising).

And why shouldn't they? Republicans impeached Clinton over lying about sex. Bush & Co lied about WMD and then started a war in which thousands died... and yet that somehow didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense?

I don't blame Bush. He's a moron. Lacking any intellectual curiosity whatsoever, he simply wasn't equipped to know he was Dick Cheney's butt-boy. Cheney and Rumsfeld need to be behind bars for what they did to this country. However, as much as I would love to see them behind bars as someone's prison bitch, I wouild much rather that Pelosi and the democrats take the high road and simply ensure that the executive branch can't get hijacked again by a bunch of power hungry megalomaniacs.
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 9):
If the newly-elected crop turns out to be more about Dem vs. Rep, then we, as voters, have failed. And we will continue to fail whether we vote right or left in the future.

Bingo  checkmark 

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
He's a moron.

Really? With better grades than your hero John Kerry? And not only that, he won, twice.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
Lacking any intellectual curiosity whatsoever, he simply wasn't equipped to know he was Dick Cheney's butt-boy.

That's an intelligent, debate winning argument you have right there dude...

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
Cheney and Rumsfeld need to be behind bars for what they did to this country.

For what? Especially Cheney... Tell me exactly what he did to be convicted of anything. And I'd like specifics, not just typical Liberal "throw it out there and see if it sticks" charges. Tell me, if you were a prosecutor, what EXACTLY did Dick Cheney do to deserve any second of prison. And then, Rumsfeld too...

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
I would much rather that Pelosi and the democrats take the high road and simply ensure that the executive branch can't get hijacked again by a bunch of power hungry megalomaniacs.

I agree, but don't think it's going to happen with your Pelosi comment....
but hijacked? By whom? The President and VP who were RE-ELECTED by the voters AFTER they started this "illegal war" that you so protest that everyone in the executive branch to to jail over??
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:15 am

There is a large difference between investigation and revenge. Investigations are needed, especially regarding the runup to Iraq, to find out how policy was based on such shabby intelligence. The point of these investigations will not be revenge, but to ensure that these mistakes cannot be repeated.

If the Democrats conduct their investigations in a constructive manner, ie, trying to identify the mistakes and proposing solutions, and not just look for blood and revenge, then it will be a very productive term.

May I also remind you that a lot of work got done after 1994 when Clinton had to work with a Republican Congress. Those of you who just assume the Democrats will lead to no solutions need to wait and hold your analysis for after the first legislative session. It's argued that the Democrats never proposed any policy alternatives, however they never could. Republicans controlled all of the committee assignments and work, and basically cut them out of the decision-making process.

6 years of Republican domination of both branches has lead to:
1. Budget Deficits
2. Out of control spending
3. Unprecedented amounts of pork barrel legislation

I'm not saying that the dems will raise taxes, but tax-and-spend is a sustainable policy, deficit-spend is not. America as a whole needs to make some tough decisions now, there's no magic solution.
 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
I hope Pelosi and crew take the high road.

Daooooh....so much for that idea.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/4332381.html

Murtha is the democratic version of Delay. Where the hell is Artie?

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
Republicans impeached Clinton over lying about sex.

What's a little pejury in the court room now again right? No big deal right? Every defendant should be granted at least a couple of lies right?

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
Bush & Co lied about WMD and then started a war in which thousands died... and yet that somehow didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense?

Source?

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
I wouild much rather that Pelosi and the democrats take the high road and simply ensure that the executive branch can't get hijacked again by a bunch of power hungry megalomaniacs.

So you are in favor of only 2 branches of government?
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 22):
And not only that, he won, twice.

So he is a lucky moron. Big grin
 
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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 24):
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
I hope Pelosi and crew take the high road.

Daooooh....so much for that idea.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/4332381.html

Murtha is the democratic version of Delay. Where the hell is Artie?

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RE: Pelosi: "Dems Not Out For Revenge"

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
Bush & Co lied about WMD and then started a war in which thousands died... and yet that somehow didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense?

Firstly, who are you to say he was lying? Do you know what he knew? Do you have a source?

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
I don't blame Bush. He's a moron. Lacking any intellectual curiosity whatsoever

I remember when the left said the same thing about Reagan throughout the 80s. The truth was that Reagan was thinking on a completely different level. Most politicians think shallow. Short term is the next week's polls. Medium term is election runups. Long term is election time itself. Reagan was thinking about the next generation.

From what I have read of Bush and his cohorts, he is trying very hard to think 50 years ahead. Is he up to the task? Probably not, but at least he is trying. I have yet to hear any far-reaching vision from Democratic leadership, so if Bush is a moron, Pilosi and Dean must really be the scraping at the bottom of the barrel. But then again, that's what I think of most politicians.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 21):
I wouild much rather that Pelosi and the democrats take the high road and simply ensure that the executive branch can't get hijacked again by a bunch of power hungry megalomaniacs.

So much for the high road. http://hillnews.com/thehill/export/T...ws/Frontpage/111406/murthawin.html .

Pelosi is setting the stage. Firstly she is putting in place the leftist fringe of the democratic party at the top rungs of government. Forget the moderate democrats - they are being told to shut up and tow the line. The nomination of Jack Murtha is nothing but a big middle-finger to the Bush administration and should be considered a big "Uh-oh" for all those people who are traditionally conservative and voted for democrats (especially conservative/moderate democrats) because they were upset about Bush's job in Iraq.

But hey, people have known who Pelosi is for years. She has proven that she will say one thing in the morning and do the opposite in the afternoon. She can only be trusted to support the far left agenda.

Hang on, folks, the next 2 years will be a rough ride. The only question will be whether Pelosi will piss off enough of the country to self-destruct before or after 2008. And what will be the alternative? Republicans again?

Now is the time for a 3rd party to push hard. Republicans have pissed everyone off and the Dems are about to do the same.
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