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How Much Of "Borat" Is Staged? (spoiliers)

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:24 am

Just wondering if anyone know the extent to which "Borat!: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" is staged? There has to be some of it, as in, for example, the scenes where he and Azamat stay in the Jewish couples B&B and where he gets a lift from the guys in a camper van. There is obviously a cameraman present, whom the other actors completely ignore.

Pamela Anderson surely HAD to be in on the whole thing, as I couldn't imagine him getting away with literally bagging her without (a) having the arse sued off him or (b) being thrown in the slammer.

Some of the scenes, particularly the crowd ones in New York were simple Candid Camera sketches, but others obviously couldn't have been done without the victims being aware of a cameraman being present. Some were credibly presented as an interview with a Kazakh reporter so no suspicion would have been aroused.

The black prostitute must have been in on the whole thing too, seeing she ends-up his wife.

So just how many people in the film knew what was going on? I'm not complaining, btw, as it is absolutely hilarious.

Also, I heard that he came close to being lynched after the rodeo scene, which wouldn't surprise me as that crowd got VERY ugly. He's a brave man. Anyone know the story here?

Just curious.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:27 am

Pamela anderson, The black woman, The campervan, the naked man fight, the part when the kids ran to the ice cream truck when the bear was in there.

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
Pamela anderson, The black woman, The campervan, the naked man fight, the part when the kids ran to the ice cream truck when the bear was in there.

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Thanks James, now that you mention it, the bear scenes had to be too. What about the naked chase through the hotel? Parts of it seemed genuine enough. Where'd you get your info, btw?
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:32 am

My dads mate is a Producer and done a bit of work on the film.

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 3):
My dads mate is a Producer and done a bit of work on the film.

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Aha! From the horses mouth! Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
Aha! From the horses mouth! Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

Thanks in advance.

That really happened because I remember it hit the newswires last year (September?) after it nearly caused a riot in Virginia or North Carolina.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

It did happen, also he said he's not sure whether the rodeo guy talking to him at the beginning of that scene is staged or not.

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 5):
That really happened because I remember it hit the newswires last year (September?) after it nearly caused a riot in Virginia or North Carolina

Got any links to the story Jeff?
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:15 am

The rodeo scene occured at the Salem Civic Center in Virginia. It was not staged, and yes, it caused quite a scene.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:22 am

What a boring film. It looked like it was going to be interesting, and on the edge like good comedy can be, with the 'running of the Jew', but the film really tanked after that.

Talk about hitting soft targets. Telling perfectly reasonable feminists that women have a brain the size of a squirrel, and singing a clearly bollocks version of the Khazak national anthem at a rodeo? There's nothing particularly funny about that, it's just boring with predictable results.

The film also tries to hint at things that aren't true. When he beings the prostitute to the dinner the implication is that they send him away because she's black. That's simply not true, the entire dinner had broken down by then.

The proof that the film isn't as funny or clever as it wants to be is the number of times it has to resort to gross-out humour in order to get a laugh. For example, when he brings the back of shit to the table or the naked wrestling.

Finally, there's a serious undercurrent of anti-Americanism in the UK. Unfortunately, it seems to be cool to be anti-American and this film is simply cashing in on that and fueling it.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
What a boring film. It looked like it was going to be interesting, and on the edge like good comedy can be, with the 'running of the Jew', but the film really tanked after that.

I think you're in the minority here. Look at the box office! And as for being anti-American, it was the biggest box-office hit in the States last weekend, and it was only shown in 800+ cinemas. No 2 was shown in over 2,000. Americans are well able to laugh at themselves, and it was not just directed at Americans: take out the rodeo crowd and the evangelicals, and you could find the other victims anywhere.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
When he beings the prostitute to the dinner the implication is that they send him away because she's black. That's simply not true, the entire dinner had broken down by then.

I don't agree with you here: it was one factor, but she would have been VERY out of place at that gathering the way she was dressed. As you say, the dinner had broken down by then.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
Finally, there's a serious undercurrent of anti-Americanism in the UK. Unfortunately, it seems to be cool to be anti-American and this film is simply cashing in on that and fueling it.

I only went to see it because it had been awarded 5 stars by two of the broadsheet Sunday papers I buy. And in one of them, The Sunday Times, the critic is Cosmo Landesman, an American, who loved it.

Along with Breakfast on Pluto, it's the funniest film of the year.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 5):
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
Aha! From the horses mouth! Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

Thanks in advance.

That really happened because I remember it hit the newswires last year (September?) after it nearly caused a riot in Virginia or North Carolina.

I don't have any links to the story from when it was first reported, but this story makes reference to it:

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5622640

Had a good laugh back when I first read about it.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:35 am

I just realized King Julien is Sacha Baron Cohen.



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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:00 am

I don't think all of it is set up - I was reading a review of it at the weekend, and apparently Cohen and the crew were (or were nearly) arrested plenty of times:

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It was at this point that I started to fear for Baron Cohen's life. I learn from the production notes that shortly afterwards a group of angry rodeo hands on horseback surrounded the film-makers' van, demanding that they be lynched.

Even when Borat was being less provocative, the eight-person film crew rarely passed a day without being arrested.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=414313&in_page_id=1924
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:04 am

I think he says the funniest line I've ever heard about a woman in my life:

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
The campervan

James, are you sure that portion was completely staged? Psi Chi is a social fraternity at my alma mater, the University of South Carolina, and looking through their rush guide online the heavier guy does appear in a photo.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
the heavier guy does appear in a photo.

He will undoutbably be a living legend at the university now, lol.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:36 pm

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting YWG (Reply 16):
He will undoutbably be a living legend at the university now, lol.

Looks like they may not want to be...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5661400

Two fraternity brothers aren't laughing about their roles in the "Borat" movie. They're suing, claiming they were duped into appearing in the spoof documentary.

The guys allege they were liquored-up by a production crew, which led them to make racist and sexist comments that they otherwise wouldn't have made.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:51 am

There was a thing on Tonight With Treveor McDonald recently and they interviewed a bloke who ran the rodeo, there was nothing staged as Sacha BC had to be taken away at speed after the filming!
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 18):

Looks like they may not want to be...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5661400

Two fraternity brothers aren't laughing about their roles in the "Borat" movie. They're suing, claiming they were duped into appearing in the spoof documentary.

The guys allege they were liquored-up by a production crew, which led them to make racist and sexist comments that they otherwise wouldn't have made.



Those poor poor underprivileged, discriminated-against frat-boys. Yeah, I'm so sure that back at the frat house they would NEVER get drunk and say these things...

[Edited 2006-11-10 17:21:24]
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 10):
I think you're in the minority here. Look at the box office!

That's no indication of how good a film is, just look at Pirates Of The Caribbean II.

It was a one-joke pony. It's like any character. Take Vicky Pollard for example from Little Britain; a very funny character but would I want to watch her for 90 minutes?

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting N229NW (Reply 20):
Yeah, I'm so sure that back at the frat house they would NEVER get drunk and say these things...

Are you alleging drunken debauchery occurs at this place (note: this is in fact the actual Chi Psi frat house at the University of South Carolina)? Surely you jest, sir!  Wink



Well, I do suppose they have to pay that $3,200 a semester rent somehow...

At any rate, I'd love to know how much, if any, of the dinner party was staged and what, precisely, SBC actually had in the plastic bag.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
James, are you sure that portion was completely staged?

He said that yes they were students, but they also were in on it, he said they were also drunk and the film was given to them (the Pamela porn film).

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 23):
Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
James, are you sure that portion was completely staged?

He said that yes they were students, but they also were in on it, he said they were also drunk and the film was given to them (the Pamela porn film).

Here's some more info on the story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_en_mo/film_borat_lawsuit
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 23):
He said that yes they were students, but they also were in on it, he said they were also drunk and the film was given to them (the Pamela porn film).

What does "in on it" mean? Obviously, they knew they were being filmed, but apparently didn't realize it would be aired in a widely disptributed movie in the US and Europe. In that sense, they were "set up" only as much as all of Cohen's interviewees. They really end up hoisted by their own petards. Borat gets the ball rolling by saying offensive things, and they think they are safe so they run with it, and often take it to extreme lengths.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 22):
Are you alleging drunken debauchery occurs at this place (note: this is in fact the actual Chi Psi frat house at the University of South Carolina)? Surely you jest, sir! Wink

LOL. That picture is priceless--especially when you remember them bitching in the film about how life is unfair to white males (and they wish they could have slaves again)...yes these people have so much white privilege they puke it up after their parties...
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting 9V (Reply 21):
That's no indication of how good a film is, just look at Pirates Of The Caribbean II.

Oh sure! I was just making the point that he's in the minority, going by the success of the film.
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:15 pm

I thought it was one of the more funnier things Ive ever seen. I was in tears for several scences. Sacha BC is a comical genius. I think he should make another Ali G movie and release it big over here like he did with Borat.

But my question is when Borat and Alzamat spoke to each other, were they speaking a real language or were they just saying gibberish?

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting TPAflyer (Reply 27):
were they speaking a real language

My understanding was that SBC was speaking Hebrew with some Slavic words/phrases mixed in and that Ken Davitian (Azamat) was speaking Armenian
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting TPAflyer (Reply 27):
I thought it was one of the more funnier things Ive ever seen.

Agreed, but you're going to have the poker-faced critics because it is so popular.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 28):
My understanding was that SBC was speaking Hebrew with some Slavic words/phrases mixed in and that Ken Davitian (Azamat) was speaking Armenian

Was wondering about that . . . several times he used a phrase which sounded similar to "Dziêkujê", the Polish for "Thank you".
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
resort to gross-out humour in order to get a laugh. For example, when he brings the back of shit to the table or the naked wrestling.

I agree that being gross isn't funny on its own, like so many other "comedies" seem to believe, but I don't think this was the case with Borat.

There were parts where he played a bit too dumb, but he's had incredible results with stuff like that in the past. The upper class man worrying about cultural differences when Borat tried to shit in the forest at his club was hilarious, for example.

So IMHO we weren't supposed to laugh at the shit itself in that scene, but the problem was rather that the others' reactions weren't as funny this time.

The naked wrestling was a bit worse, but even then I'd say there was a bit more to it. I wasn't actually grossed out at all, but was laughing like crazy trying to convince myself that this is typical behavior in Kazakhstan. It also got much funnier after they left the room, and we got to see unstaged reactions to their fight.
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:22 pm

I like this quote from the aforementioned article:

"It obviously doesn't make us look good by any stretch of the imagination," said Harris Todd, a 19-year-old sophomore from Atlanta who said he was a member of the Kappa Sigma fraternity. "It's definitely not helping any stereotypes that there are about South Carolina, and the South in general."

Well it would help if they stopped living up to their reputations.
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:51 am

that naked wrestling scene in the hotel was just ridiculous. i couldn't watch, i had to look away in disgust. that kind of behavior transends the borat charachter, impacting Sacha Cohen himself.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting TNNH (Reply 32):
that naked wrestling scene in the hotel was just ridiculous. i couldn't watch, i had to look away in disgust. that kind of behavior transends the borat charachter, impacting Sacha Cohen himself.

While I think it was drawn out, it wasn´t any more ridiulous than any of the other scenes in the film.

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