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Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:28 am

My company car is up for renewal at the end of the year and I can't decide what to go for next. My criteria is 50mpg, leather interior, plenty of toys (cruise, climate etc) and comfortable to be in. I've narrowed it down to 3 possibilites:

Saab 9-3 Vector Sport 1.9 TiD (120) - Most expensive, well equiped with extras

Ford Focus Saloon Ghia 1.8 TDCI (115) - cheapest but best equiped with lots of added options

Audi A3 2.0 TDI SE (140) - Most powerful, but expensive for not much equipment

Which would you go for? I've got all 3 booked for test drives over the next month which will hopefully help make my mind up. Which would you go for?

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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):
Ford Focus Saloon Ghia 1.8 TDCI (115) - cheapest but best equiped with lots of added options

Hopefully its not the same Focus that is sold in the states. The Saab looks really good, has the toys, and if you're driving alot comfort is important.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Hopefully its not the same Focus that is sold in the states.

Nope, the Europeans have a much better version than we do. Inexplicably, they haven't brought it to the states yet.
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:39 am

I'd take the Saab. my dad and I rented it back in June over in England and it is such a great car! Same engine as the one you're looking at. Lots of punch too!
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:39 am



Get the Audi. As you'll see, it's got great handling, and feels like a much more substantial and higher quality car than the others.



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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):
Ford Focus Saloon Ghia 1.8 TDCI

Why saloon? It's the most useless version (and ugliest imho).

Judging purely on the looks, Saab looks just awesome.

http://www.saab-leipzig.de/main/saab-galerie/saab_9-3_sport-combi_2.jpg
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:23 am

http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/67/2006_Saab_9-3_SportSedan_2.jpg


mmmmm :P
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:33 am

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):

Nice rims!
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:42 am

The 9-3s are incredible motors, really comfortable on the motorway, and the suspension (provided you do not choose the sport model) is better than the SE model A4 (we've had both this year!)

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:17 pm

I'd go with the Saab.

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:37 pm

Pretty much a unanimous decision! The Saab is the most expensive of my options, but then again, its the most appealing. Ticks all the right boxes. It's a decision that'll last for the next 4 years so it has to be the right one, especially when looking at the most expensive model on our list! I've just seen they've released the first images of the 2007 facelift model with the new interior, looks a bit better than the old one. My only reservation about the 9-3 is they look 'cheap' inside for a £24,000 car (by the time you've added leather and the convenience pack). It's looking like the 9-3 Vector Sport is favourite though  Smile If anyone see's it parked around Manchester Airport from February, please be careful!

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:47 pm

The engine on the saab is the same on my Alfa 147, it's probably the less 'dieselized' of all diesels around, has a pretty good punch on lower revs.

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:53 pm

Incidentally, unless you do more than about 6,000 private miles a year, then it's often financially a better option to buy your own car if your company offers a car allowance scheme.

Just thought I'd throw that one in.  Wink
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:43 pm

JJJ,

I beleive the engine in a GM / Fiat powerplant which is also used in the Astra and a few other GM owned brands. From what I've seen, its a little noisier and ruffer than the 2.0HDI Peugeot unit I'm used to, but decent enough.


Banco,

I've had a company car for the best part of 10 years, this one being my 3rd. Once you work out the sums (cost of lease contributions and company car tax in this case), it makes financial sense in my case to have a company car. Over the next 4 years, the Saab will lose about 50%, ie £12,000 in depreciation alone. Then theirs maintenance, insurance, tax etc on top of that so our company lease scheme is by far a better option in my case. It costs way less to contribute to the lease and pay the £58 / month tax than you'd lose in depreciation alone!

I don't do many personal miles which is one of the reasons why a company car is better in my case. I refuse to shell out £24,000 to put stupid miles on it every year. We do have a half decent mileage rate, 46p for the first 4,000 miles then it drops to 23p for the rest (I think). But even with that, in terms of depreciation for an extra 10,000 business miles on top of personal miles, fuel, maintenance, business insurance etc, its hardly worthwhile in my case. On a cheap run-around, its worth it, but not on a decent set of wheels. Another reason is its hassle free motoring, if anything happens, they deliver you a replacement the day after! (or an equivelent temporary car until its replaced).

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):
ruffer than the 2.0HDI Peugeot unit I'm used to

What model of peugeot do you have at the moment?
Whats your annual mileage likely to be like?
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):
I've had a company car for the best part of 10 years, this one being my 3rd. Once you work out the sums (cost of lease contributions and company car tax in this case), it makes financial sense in my case to have a company car.

Ah, that's fine. If you've done the sums and it works for you then good on you. The only reason I raised it is because so many people jump at a company car option when it isn't always the best thing for them.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 15):
What model of peugeot do you have at the moment?
Whats your annual mileage likely to be like?
Thanks

307 HDI Executive (the 2.0 110bhp version). I average about 10,000 miles a year (8,000 business, 2,000 personal). I quite like the 307 HDI in the executive spec, but I just wanted something bigger (more boot space and rear legroom) while retaining all the toys. I'm not too fussed about performance figures as long as it returns approx. 50mpg and is comfy. Thats where the 9-3 comes in! On our company lease scheme, the 307 currently cost me £76 / month to lease + £46 tax (this is personal contributions since we have a 2/7th system). The 9-3 Vector Sport + extras is quoted as £133 / month + £54 tax. A bit of a jump but my last pay rise covers the extra   In all, it'll cost me around £8,000 over the 4 year lease period. I claim fuel back so no need to include this in the calculations   That's why its cheaper to have the company foot the majority of the bill rather than shell out £24K! I don't do enough personal miles to warrent it.




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Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:51 am

No brainer...

VOLVO V50 D5! 5 cylinder 185 hp, 350 nm... be sure to get the sportpackage.

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting GOTbound (Reply 18):
No brainer...

VOLVO V50 D5! 5 cylinder 185 hp, 350 nm... be sure to get the sportpackage

That's not on our list to choose from unfortunately. Volvo's are rather expensive beasts to lease as well for some reason.

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):

Audi A3 2.0 TDI SE (140) - Most powerful, but expensive for not much equipment

No brainer. In the long run the Audi is the most economical, far cheaper to own and operate over the time of use.

Take the Audi.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:53 am



That car(??) does all the talking.
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20):
most economical, far cheaper to own and operate over the time of use.

Since he's choosing a car paid for by hic company I think he can afford the luxury of the factors you've mantioned not being necessarily the top priority.

BTW, what is it with Saab's dashboards being so damn ugly, looking like they've been taken them from some American truck? They are simply hideous and as far as I remember they always been, definitely since the 900/9000 era.
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 21):

You must have no taste in cars, that car is  vomit 

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:52 am

Personally, I'd go for the Focus TDCi, if you're looking for a drivers car that is. Even with the boot it will outhandle the other two you have on your list. The TDCi engine packs a lot of punch too whilst returning good economy.

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 23):
You must have no taste in cars, that car is

Tom, never said I liked it far from it.

It was voted European car of the year a few years ago. That to me still remains a mystery.
 
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):
46p for the first 4,000 miles then it drops to 23p for the rest (I think).

That sounds like as hell of a deal to me, at least in comparison to Canada, however I don't know the fuel and insurance costs in the UK.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):
Ford Focus

i hope its not the US ford focus. thats a piece of shit.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 25):
It was voted European car of the year a few years ago.

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Quoting Runway23 (Reply 25):
That to me still remains a mystery.

It's no mystery to me because, believe it or not, it WAS a good car, despite its looks. Loads of room inside, drove well, decent engines, the JTD especially.

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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:26 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 26):
That sounds like as hell of a deal to me, at least in comparison to Canada, however I don't know the fuel and insurance costs in the UK.

It's way more expensive over hear than in Canada! Currently, Diesel is about 90p a litre (£4.20 / gallon). I bet it's not much more than that for a gallon where you are I suspect!

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 24):
Personally, I'd go for the Focus TDCi, if you're looking for a drivers car that is. Even with the boot it will outhandle the other two you have on your list. The TDCi engine packs a lot of punch too whilst returning good economy.

One problem with the Focus, even in the Ghia spec, they aren't very well equiped in their standard form. By the time you've added leather (£1600!!!!!), climate control etc etc, the price is the same as a top spec 9-3.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20):
No brainer. In the long run the Audi is the most economical, far cheaper to own and operate over the time of use.

Not with the 140bhp engine it isn't! The 9-3 returns 53 ave, the A3 Sportback about 50. Not much difference but when you have 140bhp under your right foot, it would be too tempting to use and consumption drop considerably! Plus you can easily add 50% to the car in extras which are standard on other models (eg £2800 for leather    ). I don't know why, but the engine is rather noisey as well, sounds more like a tractor than a car!

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
BTW, what is it with Saab's dashboards being so damn ugly, looking like they've been taken them from some American truck? They are simply hideous and as far as I remember they always been, definitely since the 900/9000 era.

I know what you mean, they aren't the most exciting to look at from the inside. I'd be getting the 2007 face lift model which is better than the old one. Will be same as this, parchment leather but with red walnut rather then the chrome  



Think I've made my mind up, just need to test drive them all now to be sure  

Thanks again,

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 29):

It's way more expensive over hear than in Canada! Currently, Diesel is about 90p a litre (£4.20 / gallon).

That's expensive. I've just travelled trough Canada almost coast to coast (Creston,BC to St.John's, NF) so I have a good idea about current fuel prices in Canada. The cheapest was Edmonton with 77.2cCDN per litre (35.1p), the most expensive was 92c per litre in St.John's (41.8p). Here in YXU it is somewhere in the middle, I've filled up yesterday for 78.9 c per litre (35.9p). That's all gasoline, diesel is slightly more. However, Canadian companies pay much less for private car usage. At my previous job we were getting 35 c/km for first 1500 km per month and 15c/km above it. That would translate into 25.6p/mile and 10.97 p/mile.

BTW, the steering wheel in the Saab looks exactly like the one in my G6. Globalisation in action, I guess.
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But back to the topic, the decision should be a no-brainer. The Saab.
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 30):
the decision should be a no-brainer. The Saab.

Something that I think is important to bear in mind if considering the Saab, is that essentially you're sitting on a slightly tweaked Opel/Vauxhall Vectra chassis. You have heard about the Vectra I take it?  Wink

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Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 31):
Something that I think is important to bear in mind if considering the Saab, is that essentially you're sitting on a slightly tweaked Opel/Vauxhall Vectra chassis. You have heard about the Vectra I take it?

That's very true, but its more than just a tweak and there's more to a car than just the chassis. Their's not much wrong with the Vectra as a platform in any case. Its the styling and interiors which let the Vectra down (having been a Vauxhaul driver in the past) and the soft handling coupled with not a lot of grip up-front (very understeery). Ride comfort is higher up my agenda than the ability to throw it through country lanes anyway. What the Saab engineers have done with the 9-3's chassis is said to be a marked improvement coupled with Saab's suspension geometry. I'll see first hand next week when they give me a Linear Sport for a few days  Smile It's said to be on parr with the A4 and not far behind the 3 series (given that's RWD).

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Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 32):
there's more to a car than just the chassis

Absolutely, enjoy your test drives and keep us posted on what you find from them.

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Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:37 am

My company ride! 2005 Chevy 2500 Panel Van.

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Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:12 am

Go for Saab!

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):
Saab 9-3 Vector Sport 1.9 TiD (120) - Most expensive, well equiped with extras

Take a seat in the cockpit and you will see! BTW ... they also built planes, so that's probably as tight to aviation as you can go in regard to cars,

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 31):
is that essentially you're sitting on a slightly tweaked Opel/Vauxhall Vectra chassis. You have heard about the Vectra I take it? Wink

I know the Vectra (at least the pre 2001 models, past 2001 I came back to Europe only a few times and virtually never drove) as well as I know the Golf and some of it's company derivatives VW Vento, Skoda Octavia). I would definitely go for the Vectra. If not for anything else, at least for the extra four inches of wheelbase.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:12 pm

Hi Darren,

Well I've had a fair bit of experience of all three cars (or versions of) of late. I own an A3, my partner's brother and boss both have 9-3s (and my boss is about to get one too), and I've driven a few Focus rental cars of late too.

Which is the best - depends on your priorities I guess.

Starting with the Audi - I have a Sport model rather than the SE. Means i get more of the driving toys (fatter tyres, lowered, sharper steering, sports seats, etc, etc) than the luxury toys - but still get damn good climate control, etc as standard - no cruise control mind but i don't need it. I''ve had it for over 2 and a half years as a private buy. Its up for replacement in March. Would I buy another - definitely, I've loved it and not had a single problem with it. I may not get another one however as I'm looking towards a two-seater sports car or something (purely as i don't drive to work any more and we have another sensible car in the family).

What you do get with the Audi is, among other things, much the best interior. Frankly its better than some cars twice the price in that respect. It really is a quality piece of kit. Less toys (unless you pay) but more quality. As a private owner (not an issue for you) its retained value is also outstanding. At the moment from talking to my dealer its likely i'll be offered 70% of its initial value after 3 years - thats damn good for a new mass produced car.

The worst thing about my A3 is undoubtedly the ride - its VERY firm, but the Sport is definitely worse than the regular models. The sooner Audi bring in specific settings for UK roads (thats coming apparently) the better. Also the SE had nasty looking wood trim last time I looked (why do any manufacturers save luxury UK brands bother with wood) as opposed to a much nice loooking sport cabin.

The engine is cracking (I've driven a diesel - its very good), and the 6 speed gearbox (manual) is a corker.

Drive one and see what you think - the ride maybe the most off-putting thing about the car.


The Saab I've also driven. My partner's boss has a turbo petrol model and since getting it in late July has put 24,000 miles on it  Smile-O). He loves it, but my partner's brother has a Sportwagen since the summer and has had endless problems with it already - a real Friday afternoon-built car ! As a fellow petrolhead I test drove the Saab with my partners boss when we were up visiting. The first thing that struck me was the cheap nasty interior - damn unaccepatable for this class of car and far worse than Saabs of old (like 9000s for example). However the facelifted version has rectified that to some extent i understand). As a drive (I drove a turbo) I wasn't that impressed - plenty of kick but very unruly and untidy - handling not brilliant. But i can imagine as a motorway mile muncher it would be excellent - just not somethnig to hustle down a backroad - for that my A3 is probably a better bet. It also to my suprise didn't feel as solid as my Audi either. Also probably better getting the Saab as an Auto as the gearbox wasn't the most precise.

But definitely a good car though. The ride was better than mine, and if toys are your priority then its probably your best bet - although if kit is the priority is the ultimate priority then get a Hyundai, Alfa, Peugeot or Citroen rather than the Saab. Booted it is of course less practical than the Audi hatch.

The focus I've driven in hatch form - why get the saloon i don't really understand. Small saloon versions of hatches tend to be driven by retired people. The Focus handles very well indeed. I've not driven the diesel but the petrol was excellent if not that smooth. Gearbox was good and interior quality is much improved. To be honest while not as good as the Audi, I thought the Ford had a better quality interior than the Saab - but as already said the interior revamp may change that. Certainly it's leagues above Fords of the past. Its also a much more conventional interior than the old Focus and so shouldn't date as quickly.

The focus's I've driven have felt very solid, well put together. The cabin is VERY dark though. Ride is definitely the best of the three cars.

So there you go. Ultimately i'd go for the Audi - but that's with long term knowledge of mine - but my needs are most likely very different to yours. Also a private buyer vs a company buyer too. Test drive them all and see what you think and good luck in choosing the right one for you  Smile
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:23 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 30):
BTW, the steering wheel in the Saab looks exactly like the one in my G6.

Thats GM for you!
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 38):
The new CTS from Caddilac is basically a G6/9-3 with cadillac badging

Wrong, sir. The CTS is not new and it's RWD. The model you're talking about is the BTS, only available in EU. BTW, the G6 is not the 9-3 either, it's a larger but cheaper and less equipped vehicle.

Anyway, you're absolutely right in the first part. GM seems to be a world champion in badge engineering. They even sell the Subaru Impreza Wagon branded as Saab 9-2x here in Canada.

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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:21 am

Thanks Cornish, your detailed post has helped. I've got all 3 ordered for test drives but the lease company is messing me about at the moment, they're just saying 'we've received your request and it will be dealth with soon'. They've had 3 weeks to deal with it, I could go to my local dealers and get test drives anytime this week! I know what you mean about the 9-3's interior, thats the only thing thats putting me off. The facelift model does look better so I'll have to wait and see when they give me one for a few days. My first company car was an Astra in 1998, one of the new shaped ones. That was a friday afternoon job, it wouldn't be possible to have anything as bad as that again! We're limited on what we can have these days, only certain models / engines from Saab, Vauxhall, Ford, Audi, VW, Seat, Honda and a couple of others so some you mentioned we can't have. I like the 307 I have at the moment but we can't have Peugeot's anymore and I did want something with a bit more rear legroom / boot space (hence the Focus Saloon, the boot is a bit longer for getting all my work equipment in). Your opinions are greatfully received.

Thanks,

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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:40 am

My choice: Audi .
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:23 am

im a saab 9-3 owner. very satisfied so far. like the car a lot, but i think my next will be an suv. i want something larger
 
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:11 pm

Thanks again for all your replies, much appreciated. I just thought I'd post an update. The company has now reviewed our car policy and taken off some of the models I was interested in  banghead  They've also imposed a limit on the amount of 'extras' we can add even though I'd be paying for them. It's all to do with company image  confused  They've taken the Saab 9-3 Vector Sport off the list, the less equipped Vector is the only one now available. With only £14 a month for 'extras', and leather trim being £13.87! the lower specified model now doesn't compare favourably. The Ford Focus is now off the list due to the limits (quite low spec for the money) and so is the Audi A3, not enough equipment for the money. So that leaves the Saab and a new contender. I know some people say I'm mad for considering this since I'm only 29, the Volvo S40 2.0D SE. This is a highly equipped car (similar spec to the Vector Sport) and ticks 99% of my boxes. It's more powerful than the Saab (120 bhp) with its 136 bhp Ford TDCI engine. I've got one booked for a test drive (when the lease company finally get off their backsides and arrange things, its now 6 weeks since I requested the Saab!). What do you guys think? Is this too much pipe & slippers for a 29 year old? I think they look quite nice and the interior very luxurious. The sounds system is said to be the best of any of the compact executive sector (the Saab is quite basic in comparison):



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/Dazbo5/Volvo-S40-Interior.jpg

Again, any thoughts would be much appreciated, especially from anyone who has driven one  highfive 

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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:13 pm

Gotta go with the Saab
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RE: Help Me Choose My New Company Car

Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:46 pm

Either the Saab or the Audi. Both are great cars.
But as I see that your choice is the Diesel engine I would advice you to have a test drive with the Saab and the Audi.
My dad was a long time Saab driver -since 1986 - and you know what they say about Saab drivers "once a Saab always a Saab" but as he moved outside of Berlin and has drive a lot to work he was looking for a diesel and took a test drive with the 9-3 diesel and was not pleased with it. Too noisey (and to expensive but since it is a company car you don´t have to worry about that).
On the other hand Audi builds one of the best diesel engines in the world. The Tdi is awesome.
So go to a local shop drive both cars and go for the one that feels the best !!!

Edit:
Now I see that your choice is limited and the Saab is out !! But again I can only say that you should drive both cars and see for yourself which is better.
The Volvo seems okay and offers more space than the Audi -as did the Saab-but the A3 is really fun to drive.

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